How would history change if the 30 Years War doesn't happen and 50% of Germany doesn't get completely depopulated? I think Germany unifies and becomes the center of Europe as early as the 18th century, WW1 and 2 don't happen, and possibly no communism.
>>18292505>How would history change if the 30 Years War doesn't happen and 50% of Germany doesn't get completely depopulated?First no reformation. Protcucks started the war and killed white people.
>>18292520>Protestants tell old pedo in rome to fuck off>Cathtrannies say: REEEE YOU CAN'T DO THAT WE'LL KILL YOU O ALGO>Somehow Protestants were the aggressors according to papist heathens
>>18292505>I think Germany unifies and becomes the center of Europe as early as the 18th century, WW1 and 2 don't happen, and possibly no communism.Why? Give your reasons. Regarding an early german unification: the factors that prevented that were already established by the 16th century - namely the Confoederatio cum principibus ecclesiasticis (1220), the Statutum in favorem principum (1231) and the Golden Bull (1356). All of those treaties granted the ecclesiastical and secular princes of the HRE great amounts of independance and were the cornerstone for the developments of the HRE in the early modern period. The Peace of Augsburg (1555) which nominally ended the conflict between Catholics and Protestants further enforced this, as it gave the princes the right to dictate the "right" religion within their lands. Your other points are so far removed from the 30 Years War that it doesn't make sense to argue about them without you giving some concrete ideas on why they would occur.>How would history change if the 30 Years War doesn't happen and 50% of Germany doesn't get completely depopulated?The HRE would maybe be able to retake the three dioceses/rince-bishopships of Metz, Verdun and Toul (as well as the surrounding lands) that France occupied since the 1550s. Sweden wouldn't have a foothold on the northern german coast and the Old Swiss Confederacy and the Netherlands would nominally still be considered a part of the HRE. The rest depends on how good the Emperors are able to tardwrangle the german princes (both Catholic and Protestant) without showing any favoratism - as this was exactly one of the primary causes for the political instabilities of the later HRE.>>18292520The reformation occured a century prior to the 30 Years War.
communism is an inevitability
>>18292520This is the biggest historylet take there is
>>18292505>and possibly no communism.Communism is literally an inevitable product of German culture, there's a reason why the SPD is the oldest political party in Europe.
>>18292520What was massacre of Magdeburg?
Bump, I want to hear OPs reasoning.
>>18292871Germany would unify because ethno-nationalism would grow more rapidly without the religious strife that pit one German group against another, and killing like a third of them in the process.
>>18294107Again, the Reformation had already occured a century prior to the 30 Years War. And only the first phase (the bohemian) of said conflict was partially about religious reasons and this one was over by 1623. And this phase wasn't even about catholics vs protestants but more about the limited supporters of Friedrich V. of the Palatinate (who wasn't supported by the Protestant Union) vs Emperor Ferdinand II. The rest of the war was caused by Denmark, Sweden and France trying to assert their influence over the HRE and strongarming some princes into uneasy alliances. The second reason for the continuation of this war was the desire of Ferdinand II. to further centralise the HRE, which was met by both the catholic and protestant estates with rejection.
