Considering the practical circumstances and ignoring what ever developed later on, do you think that the fundamental principle of Guelps that Ultimate legitimacy in the Christian world flows from the priestly authority rather than from kingship justified?
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>>18293128Yes.
>>18293145Why? It's not the domain of priests per se
>>18293150if it's a Christian world how could it ever be any different?
>>18293168I Don't get what you are trying to say? Are you saying that its duty of the priests to maintain the cosmic order via a righteous king?
>>18293174I'm saying the pope can excommunicate a king, but a king cannot excommunicate the pope
>>18293178That's essentially what is under dispute mate, Imperialists argue that the king shall only answer to the god.
>>18293180then I shall also answer only to God and not to the king
>>18293181No and that's the catch, they argue that king is the icon of god in his earthly kingdom so the highest virtue would be complete obedience to him.
>>18293184it's very practical to establish rule by violence, but from a Christian standpoint is hardly legitimate
>>18293222But their principle isn't based on practicality at all, it has metaphysical basis.
GUEL-FI GUEL-FI GUEL-FI GUEL-FI!!!!!Guelfi = elfes, ghibellini = goblinas
>>18293128Ideal system of government>Autocratic monarch over temporal matters>First minister is head of the church
>>18293128Ghibellinism was a spectrum that went from genuine Catholics that simply tought It was better for the Church to not deal with temporal stuff, to outright cryptoatheists hating Christianity as well as all other religions (Frederick II and his inner crew)
