Most people in Catalonia don't want to be a part of Spain. We must separate from the EU and from Capitalism. We can establish a communist Catalonia state. Spain is an oppressor forcing Basques and Catalans to be a part of it. Basques and Catalans are not Spanish. Catalan is its own language and Catalonia used to be semi independent.
>>18324882>Most people in Catalonia don't want to be a part of Spain. We must separate from the EU and from Capitalism.why?
>>18324882Kys commie troon
>>18324919Because Catalans are its own ethnicity just like the Basques. Also most Catalans don't want capitalism. We can't break from capitalism unless we break from Spain!
>>18324882Spain is nothing but a fascist castillian supremacist state, very oppressive against their basque, catalan, andalusian and galician minorities
>>18324882Because Scatalans are very into self harming as seen with the amount of migrants they accepted
>>18324882Most people in Catalonia are Moroccans, they want a Caliphate, not a communist dictatorship.>>18325060Andalusians are just Castillians who settled in the south after the Reconquista. Andalusian nationalism was created by a larper who converted to Islam in the 19th century.
>>18325060Balochistan fucked your dirty ass again. Next time in you're neighbourhood
>>18324882Learn to fight scatalonian
>>18324882Because Spain is a fake country held together by francoist boomers who everyone hates and who don’t want to lose the one part of the country that is actually economically productive
>>18325139>>18325151>You are commies and Muslims and we hate you and your culture is fake>ok, than let us secede and fuck off>NOOOO YOU CANT DO THAT VIVA ESPANA O ALGO Spanish nationalists are the biggest cringelords on the planet
>>18325060at least those regional languages are still spoken in spainlook at how france suppressed breton, occitan, provencal languages
>>18325274I wish you would actually secede instead of your politicians stealing money while replacing you for moors. Too bad it's never going to happen.
>>18325060Spain is a left-wing globalist shithole you idiot
>>18325273Spain is recognised as a country around the world and has been for a long time. "Catalonia" has never been a country. Seethe, commie (you lost the Spanish civil war btw lol)
>>18325273>one part of the country that is actually economically productiveGiga cope, they are the most industrialised region of Spain because of investment by the central government of Madrid. Now they seethe and shit themselves when it's their turn to give back to Spain. Catalonia has the highest debt to the central government, both in raw numbers and per capita, and just this year Sanchez forgave 17 billion euros of Catalan debt because he needs their support in parliament to keep his policy of importing a billion nafris, sudacas and niggers.
>>18325294Well nobody forced them to indusrialize Catalonia only, holy shit that's so dumb, imagine investing tons of money in the province less loyal to your government.
>>18325305>indusrialize Catalonia onlyNorthern Spain, Catalonia, Basque Country, Asturias, were the places that saw greatest industrialization because that's where the coal and iron deposits are
>>18324882The same reason any larger power wants to own territory. Taxes.
>>18325060Spain wasn't even Fascist under Franco, get your facts right you demented Pakjeet.
>>18324882"Catalonian" nationalism is a fabrication. Aragon and Castile voluntarily united under their respective monarchs of Ferdinand and Isabel, and they ended up creating the world's first global empire along with their Iberian brothers in Portugal. If the Spanish got their shit together and continued Franco's successful economic policies they could've eclipsed Italy as primary Mediterranean power by now.
>>18325282>I wish you actually seceded which is why I bitch and cry when you try to assert even an ounce of an independent identity Like I said, fake nationalism for a fake an and gay country thats clinging on to when it was once relevant.
>>18325292>oy vey, Catalonia has never been a country, there is no Catalonia or Catalans you fucking goy!
>>18325294>Capital region takes money from everyone else to enrich itself>invests a modest amount into actually developing a region with already developed industry >”you fucking owe us everything! How dare you not fund our lavish lifestyles with your tax money!”
>>18325516Why do you act like Jews don't support Catalonian independence?
>>18325542If they supported it, it would have happened already
>>18324882Why are catalans like this?
>>18325060As if Pakistan isn't the same but Punjabi supremacist, the Pashtuns there are literally similar to the Basque when it comes to this
>>18325060>t.
>>18324882Pathetic. Should have hired Wagner Group or magrebu irregulars in 2017 at least
>>18325516It's a region, not a country. Cope
>>18324882why should they?if Catalonia wants to be free it can unilaterally secede and deal with the consequences
>>18324882>We want to be FREE...so we can import even more """""refugees"""" and turn Catolonia into Little Africa. Spain isnt importing enough of them for out tastes and we arent happy of ItCatalan nationalism must be the dumbest nationalist movement ever existed
>>18327256They want to be free because Spain takes more than it gives
>>18327380All the countries of Europe operate like that. Hell, Paris and London are even worse in that regard.
Literally every spaniard is a lazy brownoid leftists, even the far right spaniards are leftits in their spiritgood thing they are getting replaced by niggers and other various kind of shitskins, although one may argue spaniards are not any better
>>18324882>40% of catalonia's population was born outside of spain>of the 60% born within spain only half are autochtonous to catalonia and haven't moved there from elsewhere in the country>no economy outside of tourism>abysmal demographicsIndependant catalonia would be the most raped country in Europe, maybe the world
>>18325151>they want a Caliphate, not a communist dictatorshipCommunists would be ok with that, after all, they wouldn't want to opress diverse and welcome minorities, would they?
>>18327443>>18327446You would be surprised
>>18324882independence requires foreign support, preferably from a major poweramerica got french supportbaltics got american supportcroatia got german support
>>18327699Catalonia had Russian support, unironically.
>>18324882Catalans are nice and good people they deserve independence, fuck the c*stillians
>>18328063How is it ironic? Russia and Catalonia are both communist
>>18328065>Turd Worlder living in the UK supports the independence of a meme "country"Figures.
>>18328066>current Russia>communistMore like they support any chance they get to destabilize Europe. Like how they backed Brexit.
>>18328066They back anything that can cause unrest, discord and weaken europe, be they communists in Spain and Italy or fascists in Hungary and France
>>18327443>40% of catalonia's population was born outside of spainSome regions in France, Britain and Germany are way worse. 40% is not that bad considering they're taking the blunt of immigration in SpainIn Paris non white are 3/4 of the newborns already and London must be similar>no economy outside of tourismThat's plainly wrong, Catalonia was always one of the wealthiest and most industrious place of europe and has only been in decline these past 20 years due to retarded policies (they themselves voted true enough)
>>18328063>>18328066>The investigation into the alleged Russian involvement in Catalonia's independence process has been extended for another six months. The Spanish judge received an anonymous letter containing an article that identifies the Russian who offered Catalonian separatists US$500 billion and a small army if they break away from Madrid. Carles Puigdemont negotiated with Russians to get support for Catalonia's independence in exchange for some services and concessions to Russia. The investigation revealed that former Soviet and Russian diplomat Nikolau Sadovnikov met in Barcelona with Puigdemont on the eve of Catalonia’s independence vote in October 2017. The Russian offered to support Catalonian separatists with economic and military aid for a future independent Catalonia in exchange for laws that would favor the use of cryptocurrencies and turn the new independent state into a global virtual currency haven. Catalonia should also never criticize Moscow’s treatment of its opponents such as Aleksei Navalny or the actions of Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko. Wtf? I supported separatism within Russia federation now.
>>18328383It's because Spain support Ukraine, it's not that deep.
>>18328406Did you know Trump confused Spain with South Africa
>>18328406The event happens prior 2022 invasions
>>18325612Eternally buck broken by Franco
>>18328483Tensions over ukraine didn't started overnight in february 22>>18328471That's false. He sarcastically asked if they were part of BRICS because of their support to Palestine and closeness with China.
>>18325449>Aragon and Castile voluntarily unitedYeah, and as soon as Isabel died Fernidsd remarried and tried to have an heir to avoid the crown of Aragon being absorbed into the castillian one.Fr*nco posters I swear
>>18324882this thread again holy fuckMira nen, Catalonia doesn't have the culture, the history, or the right to be independent. Catalan independence has much more to do with a state based on endogamic relations than with the assertion le reindivication of a culture. We Catalans see the rest of the Spanish as a bunch of Neanderthal niggers, even though we basically share the same genetics. Catalan separatism aims to turn Catalonia into a Protestant-style country, eliminating any trace of genuine culture and trying to ignore the fact that we are a Catholic and Mediterranean civilization. Spain, as a Castilian culture, is far superior to Catalan culture, with the weight of literature and religion as its foundation. Even so, we Catalans are such wannabe nazis that, despite our nonexistent cultural contribution, we think we're better than the rest of the worldindependentism is almost non-existent nowadays, wich is a good thing, i wonder when se will stop being the jews of the iberic penisula though>T. catalan
>>18328406>It's because Spain support UkraineYes, just like the rest of Europe.
>>18324882Jews.
also spain pissed off jews by supporting palestine so now globohomo will push for catalonian independence to punish them :D
>>18324882Constantly splitting into ever-smaller countries is a really dumb idea in general. Idk anything about the whole catalonia bullshit but it sure seems dumb on the surface.
>>18324882The most annoying Catalonian independentist are always the 1st generation Cats. I know a faggot whose parents migrated to Barcelona from Sevilla, he was born in Barcelona literally because his parents were starving Andalusian peasants, and now he speaks Catalan and goes around claiming "Catalunya is not Spain". Fucking faggot.Also, can we talk about how modern Basque is a made up language from the 20th century? I have very close Basque friends, and their local government has been shoving nationalistic rhetoric down their throats hard. But I've talked to his grandparents, and they say when they were young every little town in the Basque country spoke a different (though somewhat related) dialect. People 50kms apart would not be able to understand each other in Basque, which is why they all used spanish. Basque was a dead language save for the most basic of shit like "ugh chop wood. Burn wood. Heat food. Eat food." It's basically the same story as Norway's Nynorsk, it's a language engineered by the ruling (local) elites to create a fake identity and try keep the power they once had. It takes some elements from local traditional languages but it did not evolve naturally from them.
>>18329671It was the oppressed people of Catalonia, Basque Country and Galicia who supported Palestine, the c*stillians are mostly fascists vox voters who support zionism
>>18324882Because Catalonia is the economic heart of Spain. Without Catalonia Spain looks like this:
>>18329741Look comfy home for happy family
>>18329671Israel's powerful, but not as powerful as the desire of major EU states not to open the regional separatism can of wormsa lot of countries would veto because they have regions about as happy as Catalonia and don't want to be next
>>18324882>signs and flags in English
>>18329741The Hurdes were populated by people of dubious origins (most think either moriscos or gypsies) and were considered outcast by the rest of spain. hardly representative of anything.
>>18329335>we are a Universal and Mediterranean civilizationchristian nationalism is such an unbelievably orwellian oxymoron
>>18329884never said anything about christian nationalism, christian nationalism is purely protestan invent. i am just stating that due catalonia religious grounds, their culture is unable to actually be cohesive with the independentism movement, wich tried to make catalonia a protestant based culture. as an example, the virgin of monserrat is one of the biggest holders of faith in catalan history, and yet, the independentist movement never used it as a way to declare a cultural good because they though that outside countries (the only countries that really matter are those who are protestant) wouldnt understand it and would give them less validity. my point is that though catalan identity is by far a old one and certain independentist though has appear in past, the independentist movement lead by carles puigdemont (wich btw, he isn't actually full blooded catalan) doesn't understand catalan culture at all>>18329682this, basically a lot of andalusian/inmigrant pigs with identity problems started supporting independentism out of a feeling of being misplaced. they feel a deep disgust by their ancestors and hope that the catalan people would actually accept them without actually taking to account that catalan people are extremely racist. rufian is an andalusian politic who actually despise his people and back in the day made an effort to be "catalan" though no one take him did actually saw him that way
>>18330219>never said anything about christian nationalismYou should be able to infer the point. "Universal and Mediterranean" is an oxymoron.>christian nationalism is purely protestan invent.All the top christian nationalists that I'm aware of are catholics.
>>18329335This level of self-loathing is honestly just depressing to see
>>18330346That's your average Spaniard
>>18327256Sounds a lot like Irish “nationalism”>BRITS OUT BLACKS IN
>>18324882Oh please do it, socialist states are great for cheap sex tourism.
