do you please God? because if you don't, guess what is going to happen to you

>Everything good in my life is my own achievement. Everything bad is God's fault.
I hear this way too often.

>>18325633
God taught Israel how to please him, it's called the law.

>>18325636
It's like trying to assemble an Ikea furniture, if you assemble it wrong it's 100% because you did not follow the instructions correctly, because if you had, it would have come out perfect.

Every time you fail in life it's because you don't live how God commanded, if you did, you would have succeeded.

>>18325669
Amen. And the purpose of the law for God’s people is not to make us righteous before God, which we, being sinners, cannot accomplish, but only as the aid to our reformation of life. As Augustine said, the grace of God does not find worthy Christians, it creates them.

>>18325669
you avoided the question

>>18325679
>being sinners, cannot accomplish

In Psalm 18 David says:

The Lord has dealt with me according to my righteousness;
according to the cleanness of my hands he has rewarded me.
For I have kept the ways of the Lord;
I am not guilty of turning from my God.
All his laws are before me;
I have not turned away from his decrees.
I have been blameless before him
and have kept myself from sin.
The Lord has rewarded me according to my righteousness,
according to the cleanness of my hands in his sight.

To the faithful you show yourself faithful,
to the blameless you show yourself blameless,
to the pure you show yourself pure,
but to the devious you show yourself shrewd.
You save the humble
but bring low those whose eyes are haughty.

>>18325686
What does David say in Psalm 51?

>>18325689
You tell me.

>>18325719
51 Be gracious to me, O God, according to Your lovingkindness;
According to the abundance of Your compassion blot out my transgressions.
2 Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity
And cleanse me from my sin.
3 For [b]I know my transgressions,
And my sin is ever before me.
4 Against You, You only, I have sinned
And done what is evil in Your sight,
So that You [c]are justified [d]when You speak
And pure when You judge.
5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
And in sin my mother conceived me.
6 Behold, You delight in truth in the [e]innermost being,
And in the hidden part You will make me know wisdom.
7 [f]Purify me with hyssop, and I shall be clean;
[g]Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
8 [h]Make me to hear joy and gladness,
Let the bones which You have crushed rejoice.
9 Hide Your face from my sins
And blot out all my iniquities.
10 Create [i]in me a clean heart, O God,
And renew [j]a steadfast spirit within me.
11 Do not cast me away from Your presence
And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
12 Restore to me the joy of Your salvation
And sustain me with a willing spirit.
13 Then I will teach transgressors Your ways,
And sinners will [k]be converted to You.
14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, the God of my salvation;
Then my tongue will joyfully sing of Your righteousness.
15 O Lord, [l]open my lips,
That my mouth may declare Your praise.
16 For You do not delight in sacrifice, otherwise I would give it;
You are not pleased with burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit;
A broken and a [m]contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.

>>18325719
>>18325730
Now, with respect to Psalm 18, we must observe some things. Firstly, this psalm has its principal fulfillment in Christ, the blameless one through whom we are blameless. Second, as the rest of the Psalter it is poetry, and tends toward poetic styles of speech, like hyperbole. David’s intent is certainly not to say he had never committed a single sin and had fulfilled the entire law, but that by human standards he was righteous and he had maintained the covenant of God. Third, that there are men which are righteous and blameless was never in doubt, the question is not whether righteous men exist, but if they are righteous by virtue of their own natural goodness and obedience independent of the grace of God, or if everything good in them is an unnatural gift given to them by God out of His own free grace? We deny the former, and affirm the latter.

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Proof that the Bible is the word of God:
https://truthischrist.com/seven/
fcbaptist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Bible-proof.pdf

1 Cor. 15:3-4: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc

1 John 5:7: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

Rom. 3:23: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Jesus Christ is God who has come in the flesh from heaven. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sins. He was buried, then resurrected and ascended to heaven, and will return soon to judge the world. You can't be justified to God your own way, so will you choose His righteousness instead? (Rom. 10:3)

Salvation is by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9) in the one, final, effectual sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ (Heb. 10:8-12) dying in your place as a substitutionary offering for sin (Rom. 5:1-10). His blood atonement made for you is finished, so if you have received the Lord Jesus by faith (John 1:12) in your heart, you're forgiven of all your sins and are saved, once for all; finally and forever! The gift of salvation can't be earned, it is a gift. Rom. 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Confess The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in prayer, that you trust in Him, not your own deeds, He atoned for your sins on the cross.

Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

After you're saved, you are a child of God and nothing will separate you from His love. (Romans 8:38-39)

>>18325730
We all know David committed a horrible sin and God almost destroyed him for it. Nothing in this psalm points to David not being righteous. He repented and god forgave him, repentance is righteousness.

David shows that when he is righteous God rewards him for his righteousness and when he sinned he punishes him for it. So righteousness can be accomplished.

>>18325731
>fulfilled the entire law
What does this mean?

>but if they are righteous by virtue of their own natural goodness and obedience independent of the grace of God, or if everything good in them is an unnatural gift given to them by God out of His own free grace?

It is what David said, God rewarded him according to his own righteousness and obedience. If God was responsible for his righteousness why would he reward him for it? Why would he demand obedience if obedience was impossible?

>>18325782
>Nothing in this psalm points to David not being righteous.
Sure, nothing in the psalm points to David being anything but righteous in the same way nothing in the world points to it being round. Let’s take stock of the situation for a moment, because this is really helpful for distinguishing harmonizing and contradictory interpretations: I told you I believe David was righteous, and you told me you do not believe David was sinful. In other words, I said I believe Psalm 18, and you said you do not believe Psalm 51.
>repentance is righteousness.
The ground upon which David’s repentance (and anyone else’s) brings the forgiveness of God is not itself. All our righteousness is filthy rags. The reason repentance and faith brings the forgiveness of God is only because it apprehends the righteousness of Jesus Christ, the only true righteousness in the world, on account of which alone they are righteous before God. For David to have attained the forgiveness of God through the righteousness of his own repentance would require at least two things, 1. He must repent absolutely perfectly, so that there is nothing even slightly defective about his repentance 2. His repentance must be so good that it is able to make up for and overwhelm the evil of his sins, neither of which are found in Psalm 51, or anywhere else in the bible.
>David shows that when he is righteous God rewards him for his righteousness and when he sinned he punishes him for it. So righteousness can be accomplished.
This has become a shockingly common rhetorical strategy on the internet over the last few years, which I have seen represented in men of all sorts of worldviews: first, ignore what your opponent has said, then proceed to repeat the assertion with which I disagree, and in many cases (this one, for example) directly refuted. It may serve well to console the fool, but does nothing to advance the discussion.

>>18325787
>What does this mean?
It means keeping each and every last commandment of God to perfection. This is the requirement of the law, and anyone who fails it is wicked and accursed.
Deuteronomy 27:26 “Cursed is he who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them.”
>It is what David said
No, it is not what David said, nowhere in this psalm does David claim that he and his own innate goodness without the grace of God is the cause of his righteousness. That is a philosophical presupposition which you unwelcomely imported into the text, and which contradicts the entire bible.
>If God was responsible for his righteousness why would he reward him for it?
As I said above, David was righteous relative to other men (especially, compared to the accusations of the false witnesses), not compared to the demands of the law of God, under which he himself confessed his actions were “evil in Your sight”. The reward was not eternal life, which was instead a free gift offered in Christ, apart from works of the law.
>Why would he demand obedience if obedience was impossible?
Because obedience was good. Is murder good if you can’t stop yourself from it? The unregenerate man not only cannot stop himself from sinning, he cannot even desire to do otherwise. The purpose of the law of God is to inform of us not of what our abilities are, but what our duties are.

>>18325845
>It means keeping each and every last commandment of God to perfection. This is the requirement of the law, and anyone who fails it is wicked and accursed.
>Deuteronomy 27:26 “Cursed is he who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them.”
There is only 1 instance of David breaking the Torah, and his transgression was forgiven. Sacrificing animals to be forgiven when you break the law is part of the law.

>No, it is not what David said, nowhere in this psalm does David claim that he and his own innate goodness without the grace of God is the cause of his righteousness. That is a philosophical presupposition which you unwelcomely imported into the text, and which contradicts the entire bible.

If David did absolutely nothing to earn God's love and favor and God simply made him righteous, then why did God randomly gave it to David and not to other Israelites?
What did God mean when he said David was a man after his own heart?

God desperately wants the Israelites to be righteous and obey his law, yet he suffers them being disobedient and unrighteous, why if he can just magically make them righteous like you claim he did to David?

He is clearly expecting righteousness to come naturally from the Israelites and he punishes them for not being righteous, so clearly it is possible to freely chose to be righteous by obeying the laws of God.

>David was righteous relative to other men (especially, compared to the accusations of the false witnesses), not compared to the demands of the law of God.

Which law did David break? He clearly says: For I have kept the ways of the Lord;
I am not guilty of turning from my God.
All his laws are before me;
I have not turned away from his decrees.
I have been blameless before him
and have kept myself from sin.
.

>The reward was not eternal life,
David talks many times about being rescued from death and living forever.

>>18325845
>The purpose of the law of God is to inform of us not of what our abilities are, but what our duties are.

This is a Christian lie from the depths of hell, God himself said when he gave the law that the law was not hard to keep and he was 100% expecting them to obey it.


>Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.

>See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. For I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess

https://youtube.com/shorts/_Rv0JT6rXD8

>>18325928
>There is only 1 instance of David breaking the Torah
It takes a special spiritual blindness to persuade yourself you have only 1 sin. David confessed “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.”
>Sacrificing animals to be forgiven when you break the law is part of the law.
“For You do not delight in sacrifice, otherwise I would give it; You are not pleased with burnt offering.”
>Which law did David break?
Thou shalt not covet, thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not commit adultery.
>David talks many times about being rescued from death
Rescued by whom?
>>18325933
>This is a Christian lie from the depths of hell
This is the Christian truth of God revealed in His word, you blaspheme Him with your words. Now, I may simply ask, if it’s so easy to be perfect, why aren’t you? You may pretend to yourself and me that you are, but this is hubris beyond measure. I have already set the standard of the law before you, the Lord did not speak this so that you could use it against Him and excuse yourself from the obedience He demands. Leviticus 11:44 “I am the LORD your God. Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I am holy”. What did He say in the same place you quoted? “Moreover the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your seed, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live.” This is no novelty of the New Testament, but it has always been the teaching of the covenant scriptures, as the basis of the covenant has always been the grace of God in the saving death of His Son. For He kept the whole law, He obeyed where His people had sinned, and He suffered the penalty of their transgressions on their behalf, so that all who turn and place their faith in Him will be set free from the curse of the law to know indestructible peace with God forever, as Isaiah foretold.
(cont.)

>>18325928
>If David did absolutely nothing to earn God's love and favor
In response to this paragraph, I begin with two objections
1. It is inconsistent with the nature of God for His will to be frustrated, for He is sovereign over all in creation, He frustrates the plans of the peoples and the plans of His heart rule from generation to generation. So it is very inconsistent with the God of Israel to say “He desperately wants” anything, so I may very well ask of you, if God so desperately wanted the Israelites to be righteous, why did He not simply make them so? We read much in scripture of God commanding the wicked Israelites to be righteous, very little of Him expressing His intent that they would be righteous, except they whom He made righteous. The inference from God’s command to His intent is dubious, from His command to our duty is certain. So it may not be admitted that He willed that which did not come to pass.
2. It is inconsistent with the nature of God, who conditions all, and is conditioned by none, to have His knowledge influenced by His creatures. It cannot be that first man acts, and then God reacts, for there would be nothing to react to, since everything about man and who he is and where he is is determined entirely by the creative decree of God, without which there is no man. So God knew actively and not passively what the Israelites would or would not do.

Now, to answer your question (though I have touched on it already): the reason God did not save all the Israelites and make them righteous is because God did not intend to save all the Israelites and make them righteous, but purposed in His infinite wisdom to abandon some to the dominion of sin that He might show His wrath in them and be glorified in their destruction, as it is written: “Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated” and “For this purpose I have raised you up, to show you my power, so that my name may be proclaimed in all the earth.”

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Galatians 3:10-11 "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith."

Galatians 3:21-29 "Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

Rom 5:8-9 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him."

Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

1 Timothy 1:15 "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."

The law is good, but you have broken it. You need salvation: >>18325771

To the Jewish Anon, I want you to know I’m praying for you. I hope you will come to know the peace I have in Christ. I implore you to study Isaiah 53, and ask yourself whether this is not the prophecy of God? And I think He also foretold Christ would bring the gentiles to Zion.
God bless you.

>>18325631
Because you're leaving out my choice in the matter, which is also Biblical.

>>18325633
Have fun burning.

>>18326063
>Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.”
That's because David was humble.

>For You do not delight in sacrifice, otherwise I would give it; You are not pleased with burnt offering.”

Then why are you putting 100% of your faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ?

>Thou shalt not covet, thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not commit adultery.

When David was retarded for how righteousness, what law had he broken then?

>Rescued by whom?
The Most High.

>This is the Christian truth of God revealed in His word, you blaspheme Him with your words.

This is some lie you made up. When you say God gave the Israelites a law that was impossible to keep and then proclaimed a horrible curse on them if they didn't keep the law, you are accusing God of setting his own people up for failure and being cruel and evil to them.

That is an extrmely evil thing you're accusing God of doing.

>>18326066
Here we see God imploring Israel to keep the law so that he doesn't have to kill them. It doesn't seem to me like they didn't have a choice and it was impossible for them to keep the law.

>“Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!