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Between George Washington and Napoleon Bonaparte who was the superior statesman
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Napoleon, and its not close. Napoleon was a generational genius, Washington was an average guy. Washington's emotional maturity and foresight are rare in men that attain high political stations, but he was not a particularly extraordinary mind, and many ordinary folk would have been able to do what he did
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Napoleon has more aura but George was more successful in the long run.
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>>18326488
I have been going on bike trips to the EU since I was 18 (35 now).

I bike all around the euro country side. Whenever there is an interesting improvement unique to the specific improvement to the terrain/climate/geography/political/cultural norm, and I ask who was behind it - the answer is always Napoleon.

As for George, relatively unimportant. The revolution was won by Franklin bringing the French on side and Salomon getting our jewfrens to pay for it (who we then ripped off and didn't pay back).
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>>18326488
George was the better elder statesman, considering that he knew how to quit and stay quit, but he got easy modo, because Nappy was mucking up everybody in Europe who could've made trouble for the United States at that point.

In the long run, the French model and the Code Civil won out over the US constitutional model too, so ultimately, Napoleon clearly was the more influential and important ruler.
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Washington’s “creation” was a collective effort that’s been significantly improved over the centuries , while Napoleon built an empire from the ground up and conquered Europe in less than 20 years.
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>>18327107
>Washington was an average guy.
>and many ordinary folk would have been able to do what he did
The absolute state of thirdie delusion imbedded in this series of words is mind boggling
>>18326488
>who was the better statesman, a guy who died under the guard of the redcoats on some island in the middle of nowhere or the guy who started the wealthiest and most powerful nation state in human history?
Huh
I don't know buddy, that's a thinker
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>>18327308
>amerimongrel thinks successes is muh money
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>>18327308
>greatest general in history, most important law-giver and administrative reformer of the 19th century
VS
>not even the best general in the Revolutionary War, hardly an important lawgiver or reformer, mostly a political figurehead for the other Founding Fathers
Is it even a question?

I will say that Washington's unimpeachable personal character and good judgement is his real legacy. It's not too far-fetched to say that the American Republic would have shaken itself apart like Gran Colombia did
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>>18327107
>Washington wasn't special
>here's how he was special
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Which one ended up dying in exile on an isolated island again.
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>>18326488
So what if the yanks made ceasefire with redcoats and joined grand alliance against Napoleon during hundreds day?
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>>18326488
>statesman
dunno. what are the criteria? napolean managed to genocide 1/3 of french population and people call him great. oddly and easily leap-frogged through an intensely bureaucratic system "somehow" for no good reason. could be the hand of some deity, eh
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>>18327444
How do you define success then?
>Might
Strongest military by a long stretch.
>Longevity
Stable goverment since its inception.
>Culture
American media, fashion, aesthetics and politics have influenced or even dominated entire countries worldwide. Whether it's Military Special forces larping as Navy Seals, jeans and American clothing brands being common clothing in many countries, every country being or at least larping as a democracy besides 2 and American media being the blueprint for storytelling. I guess some of American Culture can be considered inferior to its contemporaries, especially food, but does it matter when American fast food chains spread out like an invasive Species and replace native food cultures? The stronger is the superior after all.

The only metric where America fails is pride and principle, but being a bunch of overweight brown-worshipping, white-guilt ridden faggots certainly beats being dominated by these very people.
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>>18326488
Washington's best accomplishment was resigning early, and in that regard he mogs Napoleon who ended up biting off more than he could chew. But Napoleon had a far bigger scale of accomplishments
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Napoleon was a genius tactician and statesman but he was lacking in the grand strategy department. Washington and Hamilton were better at grand strategy. Im convinced if they didn't die before the war of 1812 Canada wouldn't exist as a country.
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>>18326488
Which one ushered a nation state that has existed continuously until the present day? Georgie boy wins and it's not even close. Nappy is the better military genius though.
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>>18326488
Consider this song
https://youtu.be/qQkBeOisNM0?si=9F7bT33ama_3smwU
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>>18326488
Freemason vs freemason
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>>18326488
Napoleon had way harder challenges than Washington did and he almost won at that.
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>>18327308
>Amerimutt delusions
Washington would have been executed by the 3rd coalition war



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