Is John of Patmos the same as John the apostle?
The scholarly consensus is that they were two different people
>>18327799Tradition and schizo-visions both tend to say yes. Although there was uncertainty about their common identity in many early documents.
>>18327799If the author of the gospel of John was an apostle he must have been high to see all those extra stories, extra quotes, and basically a rewriting of the entire narrative.
>>18327897Reading Revelation it's pretty obvious that John of Patmos was on drugs at the very least
Yeah, that's what the church has always taught.>>18327801Nobody cares.
>>18327910>Yeah, that's what the church has always taught.There is no universal consensus by "The Church" as to whether or not they were two separate people you silly little man. You get a different answer depending on who you ask
>>18327799I think it's conceivable under the assumption that the beloved disciple of the Gospel of John and the author of the Johannine letters wasn't John the apostle.The author of Revelation being John the apostle definitely fits well enough with James and John being called "the sons of thunder" and with the anecdote about them in Luke 9:>When the days drew near for him to be taken up, he set his face to go to Jerusalem. And he sent messengers ahead of him. On their way they entered a village of the Samaritans to prepare for his arrival, but they did not receive him because his face was set toward Jerusalem. When his disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do you want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?” But he turned and rebuked them, and said “You do not know what spirit you are of, for the Son of Man has not come to destroy the lives of humans but to save them.” Then they went on to another village.
>>18327993After his brother James got executed, he might've wanted to call down all the fire from heaven.
>>18327921>"The Church"Why are you putting that in quotations? The Catholic Church is commonly referred to as the Church.
>>18328008It also seems like Revelation's Greek is, at least superficially, the worst of any in the new testament, so it's been suggested that it wasn't the author's primary language, though there are other explanations as well.https://ministryofstudy.wordpress.com/2017/05/01/the-greek-of-revelation/
>>18327993*and the author of the Johannin letters weren't John the apostle
