>>18327932>essential for functioningThat's obviously not true, you can argue that it makes society better/fairer but not that it falls apart without it.
>>18327941The entire OP is based on personal presumptions about what "functioning society" means here.
>>18327941As in a society that doesn’t eventually devolve into class antagonism
>>18327932it's practiced in Europe from what i understand. but yes they are being americanized now.>>18327949you're right. OP isn't aware that americans literally cannot see a society that doesn't have a population stuck in austere poverty that they can peck down at and risk getting killed by. that's why america is a third world society.
>>18327932Its been europe for the past 30+ years. The fatal flaw is its tether less empathy. This shit works in a smaller, homogenous, highly consciousness white country like Norway, but it all falls apart when the women decide to import infinity migrants who suck up the gibs and have no sense of duty or sense of shame.
>>18327932I find this image really funny.
>>18327932>fascism and socdem being compared as similar ideologies Did a tankie make this?
>>18327963In other words it works amongst people have some awareness of class structure, and fail with people who resist or lack such awareness.This is why you need class consciousness. Reform won’t solve problems magically, people must change as well.
>>18327932Deep down socdems know natsoc is the solution kek
>I need daddy gubmint to control me, I want to be your slaveCaesarotheism
>>18327932The problem is that this is 100% true but only if you add „closed borders“, „a high trust society“ and „high military spending „
>>18327932>allow the bourgeoisie to keep existing>they buy out your politicians and even your political parties and use their wealth to dismantle social democracyI mean it'd be nice if it worked, but hasn't history shown it doesn't? If you don't expropriate you'll either go the way of Nu-Labour or dwindle into irrelevance as the rich leverage their wealth to pump your opponents and destroy you
>>18327932Communism = forced altruism = Fascismaltruism =/= forced altruism
>>18327932What the image doesn't mention is that the first guy is using taxes to implement the third guy's political programme by setting up a parallel legal and cultural ecosystem that rewards progressivists with titles, accreditations, sinecures and positions of power.It's basic Fabianism/Gramsciism
>>18327932>I don't necessarily disagree but I won't support you unless there are death campsOkay, that one made me laugh.
>>18327932The last one is more like "a strong welfare state can't function with infinity migrants" these days.
>>18327957>a society that doesn't have a population stuck in austere poverty that they can peck down at and risk getting killed by."Poor" people in America are at a greater risk from diabetes than hunger. >that's why america is a third world society.Large swathes of America are third-world because America's white population has declined to 57% as of the last census.
>>18327932The fascism comparison is fucking hilarious, 9/10 meme.
>>18327975Mussolini literally invented social democracy (well, I guess Bernstein did it first) in 1919. The first political program of the Fascist Party was basically social democracy.
>>18327975If anything it's friendly to fascicts because in reality fascists tend to privatize the shit out of welfare states.
>>18328774well the fascists are right, it leads to degeneracy without a healthy people's community and it is ultimately unsustainable with open border immigration, which social democrats in effect agree with since they don't want the borders controlled or illegals deported
>>18329192As of death camps and tyrant worship aren't 1000x worse signs of social decay than woke cartoons or whatever else upsets you
>>18329264>woke cartoons or whatever else upsets youTry ethnically cleansing white neighborhoods and transforming them into shitholes, then blaming whites for it.
>>18329264Depends. Who goes in the camps?
>>18329282Sorry chud, but opposing your own extinction is anti-semitic.
>>18327978>people must change as well.Two more weeks
>>18327957>americans literally cannot see a society that doesn't have a population stuck in austere povertyGermany, France, and the U.K. all have higher homelessness rates than the U.S..>>18329282How are they doing this? Are there armed soldiers going door to door forcing white people to move out of their homes?
>>18329364>buy the neighborhood>ship in nons>nons are armedTechnically not soldiers, no.>drive up the property prices>suppress the wages>cops evict you when you can't pay anymoreStill not soldiers. I guess you got him.
>>18329384>drive up the property prices>suppress the wages>cops evict you when you can't pay anymoreinstead of being racist, unite with your new neighbors to shoot landlordsor even to form tenant unions and shit
>>18329364>How are they doing this? Are there armed soldiers going door to door forcing white people to move out of their homes?Bus them in, have them terrorize the locals, those who want good conditions to raise their children have to flee. You think I'm talking about something that's just happening? It happened 50 years ago dumbfuck.
>>18328696>Poor" people in America are at a greater risk from diabetes than hunger.Yeah because they are sold slop while everything that is actually healthy is expensive as fuck.
>>18329384>drive up the property pricesThis is done by homeowners blocking development to inflate their property prices.>suppress the wagesThis isn't happening and American wages shit on the rest of the world.
>>18329492No it's because America is a food-surplus country, a unique period in history compared with pre-industrial times. Food prices being high is not unique meanwhile. Being overweight used to be associated with the rich and being skinny with the poor, and the inversion of that dynamic is - you guessed it - unique to this period. Poor people are fat because American is a food-surplus country, and before you ask, yes that dynamic has inverted in other food-surplus countries as well, and they also experience a rise in obesity albeit not as drastic as America.
>>18329419Diversity reduces unionization, cooperation, cohesion, etc. and not because of "browns dumb" or whatever, just because the more differences and unknown unknowns, the less unity and teamwork.That's the whole point of bringing in diversity. Not only can you suppress the working class, but you can split them into even smaller groups which you can then play off against each other. By the time you've learnt to cooperate with your Arab neighbor, you'll get a few Indian and Somalian families to shake things up. Repeat ad nauseam.
>>18329496>This isn't happeningIt is, it is just concealed within inflation, debt and broader cost of living changes. Just because you make 20 bucks an hour and your dear ol' grandpa made 10 bucks an hour doesn't mean you are getting paid more relative to the broader economy.
>>18329783Real (meaning accounting for inflation) incomes are in fact rising.
>>18329821>ignores "debt and broader cost of living changes"Are you dense or is there a way to get paid to shill judeo-boomernomics on anonymous Korean woodworking forums?
>>18329492>everything that is actually healthy is expensive as fuck.This is a cope by lazy fatties. In no country a sack of potatoes is more expensive than a bag of chips.
>>18329822Debt is indeed not relevant to income and "broader cost of living changes" doesn't mean anything when it literally accounts for inflation.
>>18327978Inferior races will not change no matter how much resources you burn on them. We need mo money for them programs is a mantra repeated for decades and it has zero effectiveness on a tualy creating model citizens.
>>18329827I still cant tell if you're a retard or a ball washer.
>>18328293History has shown socialism, at least as tried in the 20th century, doesn't work either.
>>18329903At least not the international kind, no.
>>18327957the foundation of european welfare systems is a weak economy, over half of the french economy is public spending its fucking insane
>>18329995over half of the french youth is brown, so go figure
Real social democracy has been tried and it worked. But they ruined it by bringing in millions of immigrants. Not that they can't also contribute to the welfare state but because they're more likely to take advantage. Also people stop supporting increased welfare if they think it means they're essentially paying for unfamiliar, alien people.
>>18329915National socialism isn't really socialism.Mussolini's style of fascism was more socialistic.
>>18330041It's the only socialism that has a stable _social_ group (ie. the organic ethnos). Fascism has a decent chance at stability too, but it requires more top-down management of the social group (ie. the subjects of the state).All other major forms of socialism are just mongrelization and domestication programs for dumb rootless cattle by a certain cosmopolitan elite.
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