In 1960s, USSR and USA were almost evenly matched when it came to military and aerospace technology, with the USSR being ahead in some sectors. But in 1970s, technological gap widened, and by late 1980s, USSR was still stuck at a mostly 1960s tech level. Many soviet factories were using imported IBM mainframe computers.What happened? Genetics? systemic communism?
>>18328009They ran out of stolen Germans
>>18328009>In 1960s, USSR and USA were almost evenly matched when it came to military and aerospace technologylol no the gap between the US and Soviet Union was probably even greater in the 60s
>>18328009The USSR and U.S were on par as you said during the 60s and the USSR transitioned to semi-conductor computing around the same time as the west. In order to save money on research they started to copy IBM chips years after the fact. This kept the Soviet Union a decade behind the West since by the time production started it was already outdated. Moreover the electronics manufacturers simply didn't have the volume to supply all the state enterprises and bureaus and thing like the West did because it wasn't connected to world trade. It couldn't buy chips from Japan, West Germany, U.K. This slowed adoptionVictor Glushkov is the guy you want to read about. The problem with the Soviet Union was its centrally planned economy, which hemorrhaged funds from the state to fix its inefficiencies. There's two ways to fix this. One, return to a market economy with price signals, private enterprise, like China. That way you will have more administrative resources to dedicate to a few key enterprises. Two, computerize the economy and planning like Glushkov proposed. Use computers to replace administrative staff, move them into the workforce, automate electronics manufacturing, keep close track of state resources, use computer algorithms to determine investments. This would cut down on corruption and embezzlement Basically Glushkov predicted the modern computerized economy where everything is marked in a database somewhere. His ideas are very visionary
>>18328037We've had this thread huge number of times before. Answer is simple, silver.His is a retard board and will keep asking.
>>18328039Delusional take
>>18328089Soviets were always ahead. Nazis gave America their space program and america had no independent ability to make rockets or missiles. They gave it to Soviets as well but that doesn't help libs.
>>18328089Not at all. The Soviet military was quite weak during the Khrushchev era as he cut down on conventional forces due to his missile autism. During the Brezhnev era there was a major hike in defense spending.
>>18328095Soviets were never weaker than America though, the mig 15 had cannon and america didn't, Soviets were the only nation with heavy tanks after WW2, Soviets kept their cruisers in service when america dropped everything.
>>18328039the Soviet space program illustrated a lot of their technical limitations. see here. they couldn't figure out hot to gimbal a rocket engine so had to use small steering engines instead. the main engines on Soyuz rocket were also one engine with four smaller thrust chambers as they were unable to build a larger thrust chamber b/c combustion instability issues.the guidance system on these until 2010s was also extremely primitive, it could do nothing more than pitch the booster over and could not do a roll maneuver. instead the pad had a rotating turntable to point it at the desired azimuth.
>>18328009Putting labor on a pedestal (and especially dumping your entire population into menial labor) causes stagnation. Tech bros for all their talk about disruption, innovation, etc. are vaguely correct in their assertions even if they put it in an extremely obnoxious way.
>>18328108https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/38778/is-this-an-accurate-graph-re-lunar-dust-from-apollo/38780#38780https://web.archive.org/web/20241219000228/https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/67548/lro-iso-moon-issueMoon landing fake lro
>>18328116Historically communism was a 10/1 ratio of oil to iron production. Here are the figures for 1970.Oil tonsUssr 350mIran 190mAlgeria 48mAngola 6mChina 30mEgypt 5mCoalUssr 770mSouth Africa 100mChina 300mNorth Korea 10mIran 1mIron (pig iron)Angola 6mUssr 100mIran 500kAlgeria 100kSouth Africa 5mNorth Korea 2.5mChina 23mEgypt 400kAngola hit the ratio from growth. Cuba got it in 2000s. Kerala has it if you include trade.RatiosCommunistUssr 10China 10Egypt 10North Korea 4 plus aidNotIran 1000Algeria 500Angola 1South Africa 20So it's a ratio, coal higher.France was 10m coal in 1870 and 100k iron. By 1910 it was 30m coal 300k iron. Then it stayed around 1m iron and it crossed the ratio in the eighties but then the industry collapsed.Germany was 1m iron 1885 40m coal, 10m/100m around the time of the german revolution, then iron crashed and coal stayed high. Uk was 1mt iron in 1880 and 200mt coal. It was 10mt in ww1 iron. It hit the ratio going down also but then the industry collapsed.
>>18328108In the 2010s they finally added a real computerized guidance system but mostly because the original one was assembled in Ukraine and Russia didn't want to have to depend on them for components.
>>18328009It was a communist police state run by retards>a high tech industry>industry
The Soviets couldn't make color camera film until getting hold of Kodachrome film and reverse engineering it.
>>18328104The Soviets were weaker than America by their own admission, they were absolutely terrified of the US and privately always confided that they weren't confident in their ability to keep up the pace. Markus Wolf, East German head of foreign intelligence, notes in his autobiography that by the 1980s they genuinely couldn't believe how far ahead Americans were getting in technology and that Reagan's ramp up of defence spending was a major source of fear.
>>18328141Your sources are jewed and america lost any time there was any combat at all.
>>18328009You can't force people to be genius creative innovators.Virtually every great new invention has come from the mind of someone who is incredibly autistic and passionate about one hyper specific thing. And such people can only thrive in an environment where they are essentially coddled and allowed to run free.Put them in some university, throw money at them, and let them research that thing they love.But if you make their life miserable and demand that they work hard, you sap them of all their creative juices, and they will produce nothing.
>>18328164His is a retard board, it's the useless kind of autistic that spams gapitalism vs cummunism threads.
>>18328080>The heckin' evil capitalists prevented us from getting resources we totally didn't have access toThe victim complex you Turd Worlders and commies have is so pathetic it's unreal.
>>18328164This sounds good but brutal authoritarian regimes like China, Russia, and even North Korea produce far more math and science Olympian winners (of all types) than the US. The US is litteraly entirely bouyed in the STEM Fields by Asian Immigrants, whos culture at home is alien to the typical aery fairy "Jello beats, Holla at me" American household. Its only getting worse too. Check the teachers subreddit. The average american kid is litteraly illiterate and borderline retarded.
>>18328551anon, you're just proving that anon's point - the entire US education system has been gutted from top to bottom. there are no more great thinkers because they aren't being nurtured anymore. seriously, look at the statistics for the numbers of full-time administrators to students in universities over the past 5 decades and tell me that you still think that universities are education boosters and not what they really are, which are money makersa lot of people don't know this but science or "nerd" culture in the US was huge in the 1960s. star trek, carl sagan, the space race, all of that stuff existed because intellect was treated with a far higher level of respect than it is today. so many of the daily technologies we rely on today like GPS, the internet, and so on, were created by american inventors who had every possible means to back up their crazy ideas but all of that is gone nowwhat china is doing right now? it's exactly what the US USED to do from the 1940s to the 1970s
>>18328559>the entire US education system has been gutted from top to bottomIt's overfunded if anything. Black schools are the highest funded schools per pupil in the country btw
>>18328567and do you know where that money goes? directly into the pockets of the stakeholders who run the universities like corporations. simply look at the salary of any deanany time you see an issue in the US where something is overfunded but produces no good results, it is 100% of the time without exception the result of corruption. if i were american, i would honest to god form an armed militia because it is your right and at this point it seems like the only solution
>>18328571It's everyone at fault and not the precious niggers. Right bro?nta
>>18328009Dude, they didn't solve the "problem" of producing food (in sufficient quantitates). They build the first toilet paper factory in the 70s.You cannot "skip" basic steps and just focus on high tech bro. While having your workforce using shovels instead of machines.
>>18328559the educational system basically died once the Department of Education was created
>>18328037This. They also ran out of stolen wealth from rich oligarchs, with the pretext to (((nationalize))) in interest of the (((proletariat))).Once the money dried out it was all downhill, because communism has no real economy its all memes.
>>18328631I don't think he implies that if it wasn't for the corrupt administrators all that money would save the blackerinos. Many of those administrators are black themselves and the funding is meant to line up their pockets at the expense of the taxpayer.
>>18328643surely you won't deny that the Reagan Administration majorly cut social services poor blacks depended on and caused the crack wars right?
>>18328647>poor blacks depended onThere's no reality where they don't depend on anything. They're a fiscal sinkhole and given their general incompatibility with civilization the only 'service' I'd support giving them is payment in exchange for self-deportation
>>18328104>Soviets were never weaker than America though, They were>the mig 15 had cannon Useless in the era of missiles>Soviets were the only nation with heavy tanks after WW2,Because the concept was outdated and the MBT is superior, which is why the Soviets stopped using heavy tanks>Soviets kept their cruisers in service when america dropped everything.Pointless
>>18328551Half of America is actively hostile to having a functional educational system and want to privatize everything. Regardless, just being smart isn't the same as being innovative. And the brutal scholastic and labor culture of China fucks up on the ability for people to spend time thinking creatively and not cramming for exams/their work.
>>18328833>Half of America is actively hostile to having a functional educational system and want to privatize everything.Education is overly funded in America. Educational standards fell off a cliff *after* the DoE was established. You're so doused in liberal talking points you never thought to just look at a budget sheet.
>>18328841>Educational standards fell off a cliff *after* the DoE was established.Horse shit. Kids today learn more complex topics earlier than ever before. My father is in his 60s, and attended school before the DOE was created. His mathematics never went beyond trigonometry and reading requirements were embarrassingly low back then. Today the same schools now offer calculus classes and literacy requirements are far higher. There are some extremely high level schools that saw a drop off in expectations, post DOE. But that is not the standard.
>>18328847Yeah yeah, one moment you'll quote Aaron Sorkin saying America is dogshit at math, and the next you'll say "actually education is better than ever" when it's pointed out to you that all the problems are post-DoE and that the worst schools are the most funded ones per pupil.
>>18328833>uh those Asians just cram to have rote memorization !>american culture fosters creativity n shit nigga Lmfao have tou seen the questions in Math or any Olympiad type test? Its not something you can just "cram" for. Nigger youre a retard. Regardless like I said, innovation in america is almost completely dominated by Asian Immigrants with the odd Jew thrown in occasionally. Average white american is 98iq and aspires to be a TikToker while failing 7th grade math.The average black and Hispanic are just learning to read even if they're in 11th grade lmfao
>>18328856The US doesn't have dogshit standards in math.It has dogshit culture around scholastics where people actively hate the idea of an educational system or getting educated. The problems existed well before the DOE. People used to just drop out of school by 14 or younger and go work driving cargo trucks and shit. That is worse than anything today. >the worst schools get the most fundingMuch of that is dedicated to security services, student aid for families that can't afford food, and school programs to make up for students not being able to go back home. Its just part of the welfare state. It isn't like that money is being spent on higher tier educators. Triage to deal with ghetto culture.
>>18328865>The US doesn't have dogshit standards in math.It objectively does. Unless you only count white Americans, then everything really is fine. Also there's nothing wrong with an American graduating high-school and going to work in a blue-collar job and being able to raise children with dignity with that job without his wife having to work too. >it's just of the welfare stateMost of the bloat is administrative but even if it was to help the poor blackerinos it still shows schools are not underfunded like you constantly pump into people's minds.
>>18328873No system that promotes access to precalc and calculus at the high school level (common in the US) is dogshit. That is state of the art and is more mathematics than most people will ever use. The system isn't the problem. At least not in STEM. If you want a place to critique, the Humanities should have much higher standards. But they're still better than they used to be. This is one place where there is room for higher levels of expected rigor. But it has improved. I never said schools were underfunded in this reply chain. My focus has been that America's culture and anti-intellectualism is actively the biggest force sabotaging its performance. The problem is that the material is dogshit. You can't build a skyscraper out of sand. Americans actively hate the idea of being educated and the move to privatize everything is just a way to allow them to totally deregulate schools so that no one has to learn anything to graduate.
>>18328883>My focus has been that America's culture and anti-intellectualism is actively the biggest force sabotaging its performance.Enormous cope. Whites are still up there in educational standards. America's performance has been sabotaged by white replacement.
The Soviets were always around 10 years behind the US in terms of things like Microprocessors. Compare the KR580VM80A to the Intel 8080 for example
>>18328841Does the DoE even do anything? All I remember is that they tried to push common core. From what I can gather, the local school district is the one that ultimately makes all the decisions, buying programs/textbooks from private companies with local property tax/state DoE funds. I'm pretty sure all the federal DoE do is administrate federal scholarshipsThat's why education in the U.S is so varied without any one standard
>>18328009party politics
purely socioeconomic factors
