The Holy Roman Empire was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.
1. Was holy - a third of its land was rules by the church. The north was the most religious place in Europe, as attested by number of shrines and pilgrimages. Also home of the Reformation and Counter-Reformation 2. Literally de facto ruled Rome for centuries3. It definitely was early on and sort of was for certain points during the Reformation and counter-reformation
>>18328582you know who was neither holy, nor roman, nor an empire
>>18328597It was a loose confederation of Kingdoms that weren't even obligated towards each other's mutual defense, the idea they were an "Empire" or ruled by "Rome" (which had fallen long ago) is just ridiculous. The fact only a third of its land was ruled by the church also disregards the "holy" part, especially in light of how frequently members of the HRE brushed back against the institutions of the Church.
>>18328627I have seen people make jokes in reference to this character more often lately. It used to be only brown people. Is this proof of the thirdification of the internet? Don't get me wrong though, I think it's the only good or half decent thing to come out of the 2010s slop.
>>18328582>holy, roman, empireDefine any of those.
>>18328678Where did I say they were ruled by Rome?
>>18328582>A low intelligence person repeating quotes without understanding the message, timing and context.Maybe you should sometimes read a whole book instead of just quotes.
>>18328582Stop baiting with these stupid threadsif you want to have a proper HRE thread then narrow it down to a dynasty, or a time period at the very least The HRE was perfectly legitimate and a worthy successor of the Roman Empire that managed to keep the peace (except for the occasional infighting) and foster prosperity for 1000 years
>>18329039See>>18328597>"Literally de facto ruled Rome for centuries"
>>18328597>2. Literally de facto ruled Rome for centuriesThey did not. Even under the Carolingians and Ottonians this was not true and they actually had a strong grasp on Italy>>18328678Until the late 12th century there was only one real sovereign kingdom in the empire, being Germany, and the ruler of Germany was defacto the ruler of the entire empire and inherited all other kingdoms upon election or inheritance.
>>18328801Regular Show has trended on social media, whether it was because of brown people or not, it has become mainstream in the West.
>>18329771>ruled rome>ruled by romeThese aren't the same>>18329776The imperial faction in Rome was very powerful. Until the investiture crisis popes had to get imperial approval before their election, and there were times emperors outright chose popes. Proimperials were often the largest faction of cardinals. You could say ah but that's not the same as ruling them. Ok but Rome and its territory was essentially a vassal of the HRE for large parts of its history.
>>18330027In fact the issue of investiture highlights this clearly. Why would there have been a conflict if the emperor had no control over the church? That episode was all about Rome saying, no, we're in charge, not you. Which of course enraged emperors who saw the church as part of their apparatus of ruling
>>18328582>Christian and gave all German Roman-era cities over to the church>Kaiser has authority over the pope>more centralized than FranceHoly. Roman. Empire.
