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Please inform me what the appeal of communism/marxism/whatever is

To me, it is the most dystopian ideology that involves total state control and deterioration of liberty and individual human rights
It's a political movement geared towards mentally ill cuckolds that will happily surrender their rights and property just to make sure some homeless bum doesn't starve
Every fucking time marxism-leninism it has led to mass surveillance, forced migrations, political purges, prison camps, human rights abuses etc
I genuinely have no fucking clue what this ideology offers to the retards that spread it

There's nothing wrong with being critical of capitalism, but marxist governments have been just as destructive and capitalist ones
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That wasn't real communism
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>>18333932
>Please inform me what the appeal of communism/marxism/whatever is
The fact that rootless billionaires who hate working honest men control society and all of it's resources.

This alone does not vindicated the horros of communism or lend it any credit as a system. The rightoids/conservatives who believe it is their life's mission to defend rich people who hate them are what drives people to irrational retarded extremist beliefs like communism or fascism, even. They always throw retarded red curveballs at you to detail the conversation
>oh so you want government to own everything?
>oh so you want my kids to be trannies
>you want me to starve
>blah blah blah
All to avoid acknowledging that guys like Musk and Bezos are the ones doing "communist" shit like importing a billion jeets on h1bs and chipping away at civil liberties for another buck.
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>>18333941
K but why is the result always disastrous when a state practices marxist-leninism?
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>>18333945
>The fact that rootless billionaires who hate working honest men control society and all of it's resources.
But in a country with a marxist government those billionaires are just going to be replaced by corrupt government elites that likely wouldn't give a shit about the working class either


>Musk and Bezos are the ones doing "communist" shit like importing a billion jeets on h1bs and chipping away at civil liberties for another buck.
I do agree with this thoughever
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>>18333946
because every state that has practiced it was a corrupt backwards shithole doing all of those things before the revolution, so they just continued doing it after the revolution
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>>18333932
>To me, it is the most dystopian ideology that involves total state control and deterioration of liberty and individual human rights
You're a gigantic retard.
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>>18333957
>But in a country with a marxist government
Who cares? We're not talking about hypothetical marxist governments. We're talking about a problem right here right now. We can get rid of these parasites without becoming a communist country. Where does it say we have to live with this cancer as long as we choose the better system over the failed one?
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>>18333932
Personally, I'm sick and tired of not being able to afford groceries or ever owning a home.
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>>18333946
What do you mean by disastrous? Capitalism/western society destroyed 100s of ancient civilizations killed millions of poeple, displaced whole populations, religious wars, plagues and famins what exactly is it that makes it better than communism? Drilling into the ground to extract fossil fuels to oveflow populations with toxic modified chemicals that stimulate your brain? Is that what you call successful?
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>>18333975
They will tell you that you won't own a home under communism, which is true. But then they proceed to not do anything about this problem because richfags are their sacred cow that must never be criticized. It's all a ruse to redirect the blame.
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>>18333941
Capitalism is zero sum. A pays b 100, b pays a 99 etc. It's rational to support capitalism as you're retarded.
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>please spoonfeed me i can't read
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>>18333965
>no argument
fuck off nigger

>>18333969
I am not at all oppose to getting rid of corrupt pedo billionaires that want to replace me with indians, I just don't want my country to adopt an even more evil failed system that only benefits the trashiest of humans

>>18333975
Tell me about the price of groceries in any of the Nordic countries, Japan, Singapore, Switzerland, etc

>>18333992
>What do you mean by disastrous?
>destroying the environment
>political purges
>retarded agricultural practices that led to famine
>forced migrations
>religious suppression
>invasions


>Drilling into the ground to extract fossil fuels
What makes you think a communist country wouldn't drill for oil?
Did PRC or Vietnam say they wouldn't pump for oil anymore?
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>>18333932
It's an ideology for pussies who want a nanny state to take them from the cradle to the grave.
If you live in a small libertarian self governed community which is the opposite of communistards want you might have to defend yourself, there are no millions of people conscripted and trained to defend you, the neighbor community might become hostile and you might die with a rifle in your hand trying to defend your freedom. Statism solves this issue by offering a big safe space for pussies and bitches where one entity holds the monopoly on violence.
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>>18333992
>AralSea.jpeg
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>>18334093
>>18334096
His is a retard board which is why this debate exists, however communism is the anti malthusian side, the rightwing is when you kill everyone to reduce.
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>>18334099
Checked.
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>>18334099
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>>18334104
The cfc thing is completely fake. Pic unrelated.
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>>18334101
libertarianism isn't necessarily right wing you pleb
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>>18334108
Yes but his is a retard board so it sees everything in terms of race, and then anything about race becomes rightwing.
But ultimately all of you will rapidly die of meth because capitalism will collapse soon.
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>>18334104
Western governments took measures to reduce the use of products and other industrial applications that were burning a hole in the atmosphere. Did the USSR ever fix a single one of their fuck ups? Even Chernobyl was left to burn longer than it should have because the commies kept reporting fake shit to the higher ups out of fear rather than just taking accountability. It took a bunch of people throwing themselves at the nuclear core to "fix" it.
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>>18334112
I already replied to you multiple times that capitalism is jewed but you don't care.
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>>18334111
>WHY IS EVERYTHING ABOUT RACE?
Because whites and asians are literally superior to the mud races you retard
All the sciences point to blacks being low iq violent apes due to genetic reasons

Retard
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>>18334111
I want to live in a federation of small self governed communities that pool resources together to have a standing army or nooooks to deter outside enemies from attacking and picking them one by one. Don't give a fuck about capitalism.
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>>18334120
Pol adopts Asians are white ideology.
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>18334117


>I made a post and nobody gave me (you)s :(
Lol cry about it tranny
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>>18334121
Then, that is communism obviously. You just perfectly defined communism. His is completely retarded so it doesn't understand that local community and self reliance are literally the original version of communism before Jews took it over.
>>18334124
You did.
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>>18334122
Idk about /pol/ but it's always been my ideology that whites and asians are the master race
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>>18334128
That's fine. However pol is a spic board and adopts mutt supremacy.
Whites have chosen extinction with the vax. Asian nations are just irrelevant and don't matter. But whites in the future will be extinct completely within a few years and the first world will be ruled by spics.
This is what pol desires, the white supremacy of pol is in reality mutt supremacy.
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>>18334125
>You just perfectly defined communism
Not necessarily I didn't mention a lack of leadership or private propriety in those communities. Frankly I don't give a fuck how they operate as long as they are free from the interference of a central government (outside of military affairs which are necessary for survival)
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>>18334132
Private property doesn't mean anything. Jews are the property, your house is controlled by an HOA controlled by Jews. Private property and possession have no relation to each other and the vast majority of property that has any value is owned by Jews.
This is why his is so retarded and keeps making threads because it can't understand private property is meaningless and never existed in the first place, actual possession and usufruct is unrelated.
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Ted Kaczynski was correct in his assessment that leftists suffer from inferiority complexes. The insanity of Marxism and Communism makes perfect sense if you look at it through that lens. It's not about actually improving society or helping people or even personal fulfillment, it's about tearing down anyone who has more than you. This is a natural result of an ideology founded in materialism. Marxists are strict materialists and Communists applying Marxist theories also assume a materialist view of society, wherein the only way to measure "happiness" (which materialists don't believe matters since it can't be objectively measured) is through some quantifiable proxy like material wealth. Is it any wonder they become miserable and bitter? Through their own philosophy they've "objectively" proved that they are unhappy because they have less than others.
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>>18334139
But the right-wing has very strong and direct slave morality such as jidf, incels, white genocide, etc. It's a pure idpol issue now.
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>>18334093
>Tell me about the price of groceries in any of the Nordic countries, Japan, Singapore, Switzerland, etc
They're expensive as shit?
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>>18334155
North Korea is poor because it lacks a port. Suezmax
Ports own your life and all your arguments.
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>>18334139
Hating someone because they have more than you is a natural human emotion. This is how humans survived in nature, retard. You kill someone and take his food, wife, shelter, hunting grounds etc. Resources are limited and life is brutal you don't have time for ethics or Christian morality if you want to survive in nature.
Marxists are simply those who rejected Christian values and reverted back to their primal behavior, but not in regards to everything just material wealth.
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>>18334159
Capitalists are those who did the same but can't do math and support an obviously zero sum system. A pays b 100, b pays a 99 etc. Capitalism fails mathematically and is a rational ideology for retards.
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>>18334136
>private property is meaningless and never existed in the first place
So are you willing to give "your" property to a homeless bum that did nothing to deserve it?

Can I go to your house or apartment and invite my 30 indian friends?
Can I borrow your car so I can travel to Rio? I promise I'll refill it with gas

I don't know how a retard like you can deny private property exists when such a concept has existed throughout all of human history
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>>18334165
I guess, bro. I don't really care about capitalism get a job or something you bum I dunno
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>>18334176
Correct because they already do. Everything is owned by Jews and all property is the same. Your property title to your house is worthless and Jews can foreclose at any time, cut utilities or just kill you with Cops.
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>>18334155
You never hear anyone from any of those countries complain of grocery prices
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>>18334176
It's no longer your propriety and no longer your car, they are ours now. You will receive housing and transportation according to your needs, hope this helps
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>>18334159
So basically marxists are retards who can't control their primal emotions?
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>>18334185
Because they're nonsenstient. In yuroop everything is free and the constraint happens in people dying of meth or being killed by terrorists or the vax.
>>18334186
But, that will never happen. Jews have ordered everyone to die of the vax and meth, and because all of you are nonsenstient, offering you meth is guaranteed to kill you.

>>18334189
They are retards who believe blond police exist.
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>>18334186
How the fuck can you say shit like this without realizing how dystopian it sounds

Why the fuck would you want to live in a society where you don't have the right to own anything?
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>>18334159
>Hating someone because they have more than you is a natural human emotion
lol

just lol

only a Marxist could ever say this
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>>18334203
You already do. And the reason is you refuse to kill cops.
>>18334205
But, you have the opposite goal. You desire to die of meth. You desire others who have more meth than you.
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>>18334189
Are you controlling your emotions or are you being controlled? OBEY
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Here’s a tight, under-2000-char reply you could actually post:


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This thread isn’t “pro- vs anti-communism,” it’s multiple camps talking past each other.

OP / anti-Marxist camp

Focuses on outcomes, not intentions.

Points to USSR/Mao/etc. as evidence that Marxism-Leninism reliably produces repression.

Core claim: replacing private elites with state elites isn’t liberation.

Weakness: lumps all left critique into “communism,” guaranteeing bad faith replies.


Anti-billionaire, not-communist posters

Angry about housing, groceries, labor arbitrage, elite impunity.

Don’t want gulags or full collectivization.

Feel conservatives reflexively defend rich people.

Problem: no coherent alternative system, so anger drifts.


“Capitalism is worse / it wasn’t real communism” posters

Downplay communist atrocities via whataboutism.

Compare modern systems to ancient wars or colonialism.

Defend communism as a symbolic protest, not a workable model.

Avoid institutional details entirely.


Property-nihilist posters

Claim private property never existed or is meaningless.

Collapse legal ownership, possession, and power into one blob.

Fall apart when asked basic reciprocity questions (“can I take your house?”).


Racial / conspiracy derailers

Reduce everything to race or Jews.

No policy interest, just enemy-finding.

Pure thread poison.


Doomers

“Capitalism will collapse soon, everyone will die.”

Psychological exhaustion masquerading as analysis.


Bottom line OP is arguing empirically. Others are arguing morally, emotionally, or tribally. No shared premises = no resolution. Communism’s appeal here isn’t gulags; it’s rage at unaccountable power. Its historical failure is that the cure concentrates power even more.


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GPT
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>>18334142
Everything about the black pill/incel movement is left-wing, most members of it are also Brown (particularly South Asian).
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>>18334218
Yes. But you just completely destroyed his, which makes its living spamming Hitler, lend lease and black cock.
The existence of his depends on race spam and incel spam.
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>>18334208
Every post you dig the hole deeper. Living example of the materialist mindset and what it does to a motherfucker.
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>>18334205
>prehistoric humans didn't hate those who had things they desired
Boy oh boy imagine a retard like you in a tribal setting. Oh, these people look friendly they're probably here to greet us and talk about ethics- AAAACK
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>>18334223
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>>18334229
You're nonsenstient. Under the view of gpt, which represents the Jewish elites you're defending, you're the bad guy.
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What is with this schizo spamming nonsensical babble?
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>>18334235
Which of the twelve schizos?
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>>18334203
>why would you want to live in a society where you can make use of everything from shelter to medical assistance at all times
Because not everyone can do this in yours lmao. Life is a zero sum game if some has too much other will have too little.
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>>18334243
But capitalism is a better way to serve Jewish elites.
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>>18334229
>my father has a larger share of meat than me
>therefore I hate my father and wish to kill him
This is you, this is your idiot Marxist brain driving you to kill your own family because empathy isn't a materialist concept and neither is family.

See, normal people feel a lot of different things when they encounter material inequality, based on social context. But materialists disregard social bonds as unimportant, you just reduce everything to a universal principle no matter how insane and detached from actual human experience it is.

Normal people who don't suffer from inferiority complexes can actually be motivated by inequality, rather than driven to murderous rage. They see somebody with more, and then strive to also acquire more, and often they succeed in increasing their own wealth, which makes them feel accomplished and can give them prestige and worldly comforts. The fact that somebody else still has more than him doesn't matter as much, because he's content with what he has.

This probably just made your materialist Marxist brain explode because "contentment" doesn't exist in your retarded zero-sum materialist worldview. Even though it very clearly does exist in human society, and has for millennia.
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>>18334231
>literally no understanding of pre city state human psychology
lol lmao even
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>>18334248
Marxism is positive sum. The number of Cops killed is a positive value and due to obesity frees up food.
>>18334251
But this debate only exists among urbanites.
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>>18334251
He's a Marxist, denying human psychology is the foundation of his entire belief system.
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>>18334229
Tribal people also had inequality and personal wealth, and somehow did not murder each other all the time over it.
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>>18334260
Murder is a social script, once NPCs attain sentience they cannot stop it, presentient beings are not scripted to be violent.
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>>18334248
I was obviously not talking about intra tribal affairs you mouth breather, but jealously does in fact breed within one's tribe or even family too that is undeniable, many tribe leaders have been killed by contenders who strived for what they had even if they shared the same blood and past struggles.
>They see somebody with more, and then strive to also acquire more
Yeah by taking from those who have more if their capacity for violence is deemed not a threat
>The fact that somebody else still has more than him doesn't matter as much, because he's content with what he has.
In what mouth breathing parallel universe of retards like you that don't know history nor prehistory does this happen, lmao?
Taking from others outside your tribe (sometimes even inside) is literally the
most basic things humans have been doing in nature, ya fucking historically illiterate brainlet. Stop wasting my time with your post christianity idealistic nonsense.
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>>18334270
But that's also the goal of capitalism, just with added troll that its your property or whatever.
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Here’s a clean, postable reply that answers the substance without racebait or schizo derail, and stays grounded in actual human behavior:


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You’re flattening human motivation into a single instinct and calling it “history.”

Yes, humans compete. Yes, violence exists. But that’s not the only response to inequality, and it never has been.

Across history and prehistory you see multiple stable reactions to inequality depending on social context:

kinship and reciprocity

prestige competition

emulation and upward striving

tolerance of hierarchy when legitimacy exists

resentment only when norms are violated or status is blocked


Most societies didn’t function as constant murder-loot loops because unchecked internal violence destroys groups. Even raiding cultures had norms limiting intra‑group predation.

Materialist frameworks break here because they assume:

> more for you = less for me = rage or violence
But humans routinely experience relative contentment:

people compare upward and still feel satisfied

gains matter even if others have more

status, meaning, belonging, and autonomy matter independently of raw resources


That’s why zero‑sum models fail to predict real behavior. They ignore:

legitimacy

social bonds

delayed gratification

non‑material rewards


Marxism isn’t wrong because people never fight over resources.
It’s wrong because it treats envy and deprivation as universal drivers, when historically they’re conditional.

Reduce humans to material calculators and you don’t get realism — you get a cartoon that can only justify coercion when reality doesn’t comply.

That’s the actual disagreement here:
not whether inequality exists, but whether human psychology collapses to it.
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>>18333932
>deterioration of liberty and individual human rights
>It's a political movement geared towards mentally ill cuckolds that will happily surrender their rights and property
People who are drawn to extremist politics have miserable lives and therefore don't care about their rights because they have nothing to lose anyway
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>>18334301
Extremism doesn't exist. Extremists were right about everything and every jew pedo conspiracy ended up becoming mainstream and obvious.
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>>18333932
freeing yourself from colonialism

jealously of rich people, that they didn't get their wealth fairly or are not channeling it towards the people and the nation

theoretically should improve the gdp since you remove redundant elements in an economy like commercials, empty speculative city lots & land, people choosing not to work because they can afford to, people working fake jobs that don't involve real physical work or researching science. better concentration of resources towards things that build things like factories and infrastructure rather than wasteful spending on mansions and trinkets. practically, they couldn't take advantage of globalism and nips making steel for pennies on the dollar despite being 'international', and no venture capital to replace incompetent systems, no accurate price system to measure profitability

it was a quasi religion for a lot of people

it seemed "progressive" and stood for the future, like ai or rust or lgbt rights today

jews and charlatans were using it as a gig and were self reinforced by the positive feedback they got. it was their job and they felt they felt good and important

also in basically every case it got to power through war and underhanded tactics during times of instability, then crushing opposition through the secret police. tehy didn't have popular mandate, or if they won the elections at least once, they'd never holding them again.

great depression seemed to show capitalism's failure, lack of hindsight we have now
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>>18334243
So just because a few people may have more than you you'd prefer to own nothing at all?
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>>18334305
>every jew pedo conspiracy ended up becoming mainstream and obvious
Except it hasn't
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>>18334313
It has.
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>>18334309
To the guy with the hypothetical about indians living in your house. They already do, the flyover states are a complete shithole and are becoming more so. Some flyover states are literally run by somalis in a race war against the federal government. Capitalism is meaningless.
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>>18334270
You know, in a modern, functioning society it's usually considered unhealthy to have that much rage against someone who has more than you
It sounds like mental illness
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>>18334327
>>18334322 was for you.
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>>18334322
So your answer to mass immigration is an ideology that promotes internationalism?
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>>18333932
I'm too lazy to get a job and I hate that other men have girlfriends while I don't
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>>18334335
Yes but the frame of debate you're using is backwards. Killing cops and farmers in flyover states will speed collapse of industrial agriculture. Moving people around in trucks futile and completely ineffective and does not stop ethnics from existing. It's far easier to kill the whites keeping industrial agriculture in existence than to deal with random and completely expendable spics that just exist as a legal foil to justify capitalism and distract you from what is keeping them alive.
>>18334344
But, your post doesn't mention race so his will blow past in its spam.
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>>18333932
>Please inform me what the appeal of communism/marxism/whatever is
I got sick of reading the flights of delirium, bad faith arguments, time wasting mischaracterizations, FAFOposting, and astroturfing zionism/pedophilia/catholicism from rightoids. No such cases with communists
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>>18333932
The appeal is that they all think they're going to be in the politburo living the good life fucking everyone else over and not the ones getting sent to the mines
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>>18334309
You think you decide how much you own by how much you work but the job market decides that for you. And you have no control over that.
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>>18334400
(((job market)))
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>>18334393
>The appeal is that they all think they're going to be in the oligarchy living the good life fucking everyone else over and not the ones getting sent to the mines
Sounds a lot like the appeal of capitalism
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>>18334347
I really don't think killing farmers is going to end well

>>18334371
>bad faith arguments
This is the marxist special

>pedophilia
Most pedophile rights advocates were marxists
The founder of NAMBLA was a communist

>>18334400
So again the solution to that problem is to remove the right to own anything at all?

>>18334412
>Sounds a lot like the appeal of capitalism
Most capitalists aren't deluded to the point they think they'll be the next Bezos or Musk
Most communists I've seen, however, think their post revolution life will be a card carrying, high ranking party member living the best possible life
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>>18334433
>I really don't think killing farmers is going to end well
Correct, it won't go well for spics.
But you have more or less taken a side for spics now so the debate is over and your property argument also doesn't exist, everything is controlled by Jews and they literally could put Indians in your house at any time.
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>>18334439
The solution to jews owning a monopoly on everything is to get rid of the jews, not get rid of your right to own property
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>>18334450
But that's literally communism. That's execution of the capitalist class. The niggerboomer alliance, with nogs as cops and boomers as zogs.
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>>18334452
Okay I really am starting to question your seriousness about this conversation
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>>18334433
Fake religiosity, lowering the age of consent, ethnically cleansing palestinian children, and telling us epstein was based all seem to hang together for some reason
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>>18334479
The seriousness is that the issue never existed in the first place and you acknowledge property doesn't exist and would have to be imposed by your system.
>>18334481
Among the particular ideology pol created, yes. Real conservative ideology would have never gotten there.
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>>18333932
>deterioration of liberty and individual human rights
The "liberty and individual human rights" in question we're talking about in a liberal capitalist society is privately owning and operating a business. I don't give a shit about that. I'll probably never own a business. I don't want to own a business. I don't care about other people's "right" to own a business.The vast majority of people can never own a business for the same reasons they couldn't all just be a feudal lords 600 years ago: Somebody's got to do the real work. I'd rather the people who do that work be in collective control instead, even if it's through an imperfect state apparatus, which is still preferable to private fiefdoms where every business owner gets his own personal dictatorship.

I think the typical liberal criticisms of the inefficiencies of collective ownership and central planning or what have you are mostly full of shit and scaremongering and taking credit for advancements in technology and economic science. Divine right of kings of the modern era. "Only us capitalists are wise enough to solve the economic calculation problem, you peasants should just know your place. Don't you know private competition is what brings abundance and prosperity?" No, I don't think it does. I think competition is bad most of the time actually. It ends up being a race to the bottom more than some great filter where the cream rises to the top, especially in modern financialized economies.

So no, communism isn't about total control over what you can wear, or where you have to be, or what you get to say and who you get to talk to, or what you have to do, or if you get medical care or a place to live. You know who does? Your fucking boss.
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>>18333941
Lol
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>>18334516
There are a number of analogies to be made with current day pro-capitalist thinking and medieval or early modern monarchist thinking:

Pro-capitalist:
>I can grind up the ladder and own/manage a business, often by sucking up to middle management and fat bosses
>the free market shall fix everything, minimal government intervention is needed
>it is honorable to grind, and my individualism is justified by this honor, anyone who says otherwise is a pussy who wants to be taken care of
>capitalist economists are not biased, but are instead objective and knowledgeable in their analysis
>all of the large corporations and the rich in the world more or less deserve their position, some bad apples don't change things
>our system is the perfection of human trade and there is no other

Pro-monarchy/nobility:
>I can grind up the ladder of social hierarchy by being a soldier or clergyman, and own land and farms of my own, often by sucking up to fat nobles and corrupt priests
>the hierarchy and its values shall fix everything, any intervention by anybody is against its values
>it is honorable and chivalrious to live this way, and anyone who says otherwise is a dishonorable plebian
>the nobility and kings in their intelligence and wisdom make judgements we cannot understand
>the nobility and aristocracy all deserve their wealth and status as it was given by God, a few bad apples don't change things
>this is how it has been for thousands of years, it won't be broken
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>>18333932
Just forget the ideology. The flags and bells and whistles were something that motivated people in the 19th and 20th centuries but people today want practical policy.

If we were to want Communism today, these are the policies we should pursue:

1 - Athenian Democracy - Sortition for the majority of political offices.

2. Abolition of rents

3 - Abolition of debt

4 - A people's militia.
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>>18334516
>I don't care about other people's "right" to own a business
That just makes you sound like a total cunt
If I want to start my own business repairing lamps, why shouldn't I?
It'll mostly be my labour anyways

>if it's through an imperfect state
Imperfect is an understatement

I don't think the average "peasant' has any considerable knowledge on how to fix the economy compared to people who studied economics their entire lives

>communism isn't about total control
Sure it isn't
It's just a huge coincidence that every marxist government was authoritarian in nature
If we try communism this time we totally won't lose our human rights again!
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>>18333932
most people who support it, only look at it as equality and helping others, without thinking of the bigger picture and that if you do this on a state level, this is what happens.
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>>18334093
>no argument
Why waste characters arguing with a bottom feeding mouth breather? If you think personal freedom is the be-all and end-all of good governance, you never mentally left adolescence. Can I interest you in some magic trinkets you retarded faggot?
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>>18334607
But capitalism is the ideology of nonsenstience. You're unable to find blond police yet you defend capitalism anyway.
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>>18334637
>the jpeg that broke blond police poster
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>>18334607
>personal freedom is the be-all and end-all of good governance
Yes you fucking brain damaged retard
Why would anyone want to live in a shithole country where there is no free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of movement etc?

I have no fucking clue why you retards advocate for such shitty system that'll only end up hurting you in the end

Goddamn you fucking stupid
I bet a fucking down syndrome person would argue better than you
Holy fuck
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>>18334641
Not blond.
>>18334647
Freedom of speech doesn't matter. You're allowed to post on 4chan because nobody cares. Freedom to go outside and stop posting on 4chan is not a right guaranteed by capitalism.
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>>18334607
>if you don't want some dictator and his gang of niggers barking orders at you 24/7, YOU ARE A CHILD
I'm sorry your parents never taught you to wipe your greasy asshole. But government isn't going to do it for you and it shouldn't have it forcibly do it for us on your behalf either.
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>>18334654
But capitalism literally forces that action, you are killed by cops if you are not useful to Cops.
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>>18334650
>Freedom of speech doesn't matter
Remember that when the secret police are at your door, ready to send you to the prison camp because you said a minor criticism of a politician

I really don't fucking why you spastics act so casual towards the thought of big daddy commie state taking away your rights
You are, without a doubt, a cuck
And you should fucking kill yourself
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>>18334662
But that would literally be an improvement over actually existing capitalism that keeps ethnics alive instead of giving them some spurious issue to kill each other. Also, ICE is largely a performative activity and does not arrest any spics.
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>>18334658
>there's only two politics, capitalist and commie
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>>18334205
the average rightoid hates jews because they have more than white people. as a matter of fact, the litmus test for being considered right wing among right wingers is "do you hate __ like we do?"

why pretend every interest you have in politics isn't driven by spite?
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>>18334669
Obviously all politics has to he driven by envy of some state that doesn't exist so that doesn't work. However the person you're replying to is adopting a specific frame boomers use, and his is a board of 12 year olds larping as boomers.
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>>18334667
what the fuck are you talking about?
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>>18334671
Let's ignore that if you're nonsenstient. But killing people over speech would be an improvement over completely ignoring retarded garbage people say such as for example this entire thread. Capitalism will collapse and everyone will die of meth but nobody will ever find any police officer with blond hair.
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>>18334669
Whites hate jews because jews are actively trying to erase the white identity

No one on /pol/ or elsewhere gives a fuck about jewish wealth
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>>18334096
you should go to somalia, there's no statist safe space for pussies who prefer physical safety over freedom. pack a rifle, dodge some raiders, and make your dreamhouse with poorly mixed concrete and no regard for building codes lolbertarian bro
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>>18334678
There never was a white identity. Theres just jidf larping against itself.
But Jews are a problem because they support bureaucracy, some Jews are themselves cops, and furthermore criticizing Jews will cause an outsize reaction and force the bureaucracy to waste resources on symbolic issues.
>>18334680
Yes duh. But flyover states are already literally full of somalis.
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>>18334680
The funny thing is Somalia used to be socialist, so you can obviously tell how such an ideology can push it's citizens forward for a brighter future!

Also, Somalia isn't stateless
It's overran by radical Islamists who want to establish a totalitarian system and with no regard for human rights
Kinda like you :)
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>>18334685
>Not real capitalism
This is ultimately why libertarianism is retarded because even as society goes to hell you keep using the no true trotsman fallacy.
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>>18334654
I'm sorry but this is what sidewalks look like when you put the onus on private individuals, and I'm supposed to believe we need less government? You're an irredeemable subhuman sperg who needs humane euthanasia if the lolbert meme still appeals to you past 14.
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>>18334685
>Also, Somalia isn't stateless
my bad, maybe the congolese interior is more your speed
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>>18334694
Your pic looks like a strawman, in fact, it doesn't even look like a sidewalk, it looks like a desire path that someone just paved over, in fact in fact, a park near my house has a similar looking path but it was paved by the city...curious...
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>>18334686
I didn't it wasn't "real" capitalism, I was merely stating why Somalia sucks

Also, Somalia is your only example of a failed "libertarian" society while every marxist government has been completely disastrous for it's populous
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>>18334696
The Congo isn't stateless either
These examples of a libertarian country are just african countries that have at civil war for thirty years
There's no active armed group in either of those countries looking to establish a stateless society
It's pretty much just different rival states facing each other
There's nothing libertarian about it
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>>18334694
Maybe we can find a nice middle ground that isn't total anarchy or totalitarianism

Dumbass
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>>18334694
>sidewalk
>goes through a fucking yard
sure thing
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>>18334712
No. Anarchy wins. Cops lose because no blond police exist.
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>>18334701
Here you go, happy nigger? America is full of third world sights like this because in most places, sidewalk repair falls on owners of adjacent single family lots. Understandably, this leads to many neighborhoods not having sidewalks at all. Now imagine if we followed your hare-brained teenage aspy ideas and made random civvies responsible for all infrastructure because muh taxes. I can smell the open sewage and dirt roads already.
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>>18334719
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>>18334729
Again, you nigger, we can build a system that isn't complete anarchy or authoritarianism

But with your primitive nigger mind, you can only see things in black and white
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>>18334729
>private sidewalks.jpg
[citation needed]
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>>18334729
>capitalism doesn't work because there's grass growing on a couple sidewalks or something
>time to build a socialist state and surrender your rights o algo
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>>18334730
Again jidf. Not blond.
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>>18333932
>surrender their rights and property
Idk if you realise this but bougies are a small minority globally and have been even smaller historically
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>>18334694
That's what all sidewalks look like in America because you mutts built everything to accommodate cars instead of actual living space for people. Has nothing to do with gubmint or lolberts.
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>>18334756
Idgaf about the rights of the elites, I'm talking about the basic human rights of me and everyone around me
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>>18334764
I like everyone in the thread support the non-existence of blond police.



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