>AGGGHHHHH I SACRIFICED COUNTLESS INFANTS AT THE ALTAR TO BA'AL!>AAIIIIYEEEEE I WAS A DEVOTED CHRISTIAN BUT I READ THE NIV INSTEAD OF THE KJV!>THESE ARE SINS WORTHY OF THE SAME EXACT PUNISHMENT, WE BOTH DESERVE TO BE HERE AAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
>>18336648Traditional Christianity doesn't teach the punishments in hell are the same for every sin.
>>18336648Enjoy hell
>>18336735Inferno is fanfiction
>>18336648Why would you read the KJV when it's been blatantly corrupted by trinitarians?
>>18336648yes, dealing with a roastie is hell no matter who you are.
>>18336902Because like all other KJV-onlyists he is an am*rican, or worse, a third world era who wishes he WAS an am*rican
Miss church one week because you had a horrible illness? You are going to hell.
>>18337038Jesus said it's better to be cast into hellfire unraped than enter the life with your boipucci stretched out by Father O'Malley
>>18336872The Apocalypse of Peter predates Dante’s Inferno by over 1000 years.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_of_Peter
>>18336735True. https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=Lowest+hell&version=KJV
>>18336902What?
>>18338370https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Historical_Account_of_Two_Notable_Corruptions_of_Scripture
>>18338473What the fuck?
In the Old Testament, God would tell a man to do something. If he believed God, he did it because his heart chose to follow the Lord in what he was told. God overlooked that dead human spirit and accepted the service of the willing heart.But in the New Testament, the obedience of the heart must be in accepting the work of Christ on your account instead of your own work. When you do that, the Holy Spirit enters your body, regenerating your dead spirit, and thus making your service acceptable to God. Any service rendered to God before salvation may be counted as "a memorial before God" (Acts 10:4) in order to get the Gospel to you if you have never heard. But if you have consciously heard the Gospel and have understood it and have turned it down in order to instead perform YOUR own good works for salvation, then your "service" (sacraments, baptism, giving, church attendance, etc.) is counted toward your damnation (Rom. 10:1-5; Gal 3:1-13).The difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament is the object of obedience. In the Old Testament, that object varied according to the person and his circumstances (see Heb. 11). But in the New Testament, that object was fixed on the person of Jesus Christ and His blood atonement. Christ Himself said, "This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent" (John 6:29). Rom. 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” This is "obedience to the faith." (Rom. 1:5)If you're going to choose what you want, your own righteousness instead of what God wants, then why complain if God punishes you when you specifically chose to do against what He wants despite the clear warning of what happens if you don't accept the freely given gift of salvation.www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntcRom. 3:23: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
>>18338837Faith without works is dead.
>>18338848James 1:1“James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.”Why are you going here to to know what God wants from you and ignoring the gospel? People in the old testament were not saved the same way as people in the new testament, and people in the new testament are not saved the same way as people in the tribulation.In Acts 15 (7-11), James, Peter, all the apostles, Paul and Barnabas proclaiming salvation is only by grace trough faith, and that there's no salvation by law, or works involved to keep your salvation. In acts there is transition of going from Jews to gentiles.In the New Testament ten gospels are mentioned, and each is different from the others. Paul didn't preach the same gospel of the kingdom of heaven Jesus preached to the Jews because the Jews rejected Jesus as their messiah (Matt. 10:5-7), the gospel of the grace of God was revealed to him specifically by Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:10-12)'The gospel of the grace of God is clearly explained in 1 Cor. 15:3-4: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”Galatians 1:6-9"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."
>>18338861"You can't pick and choose a gospel from the Bible and choose which one you go by. Any man in any dispensation is saved by doing what God tells him to do – John 5v24, Acts 16v30+31, Acts 8v37, Gen 15v1-6, Gen 6v14 etc. God tells men different things, on different occasions. The Lord Jesus Christ initially came only to Israel – Mat 15v24, but knowing all that would happen, He came to save Gentiles also – Luke 2v25-32.In the OT ‘the just’ lives by faith, but it is his faith (Hab 2v4), whereas the NT believer is living by the faith of the Son of God (Gal 2v20). The differences are in the dispensations. You can't pick something from the Bible that applies to tribulation saints for example and then apply that to you as doctrine even if conflicts with the gospel revealed to Paul that deals with God's people in this age.""For example, Read Mat 6v14+15 – here you are only forgiven if you forgive others, yet the Christian has already been forgiven of all his sins – Eph 4v32, Col 2v13.""When you read a verse of Scripture, always ask yourself this question: "Is this thing aimed at a saved person or is it aimed at a Gentile or a Jew?" Everything in that Bible is aimed at a Jew or a Gentile or a Christian. God divides mankind into three classes: unsaved Gentiles, unsaved Jews, and "in Christ," there is "neither Jew nor Gentile." "https://download.timefortruth.co.uk/docs/Christian_Soldiers_Battle_Notes.pdfSo to be saved, a man has got to believe that Jesus Christ died, that he was buried, that he arose, that he died for your sins, the way the Scriptures declare it. He has got to believe that. That's the Gospel. So a man is saved in this age by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9) in the one, final, effectual sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ (Heb. 10:8-12) dying in his place as a substitutionary offering for sin (Rom. 5:1-10). If he has received the Lord Jesus by faith (John 1:12) in his heart, that sinner is SAVED, and is saver forever. (Rom. 8:38-39)
>>18338861>>18338871Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
>>18338837>>18338861>>18338871No Christian should just endlessly copy paste the same posts over and over again in every thread. Let the discourse come naturally, because literally nobody wants to read the same shit being posted every time. It's irritating and counter-productive.
>>18339006You either have God’s righteousness and go to Heaven when you die, or, you have your own righteousness and go to Hell when you die. In this age you don’t go to Hell because you commit adultery or murder, neither stealing, lying or swearing. A man goes to Hell because he looks God in the face and says ‘I am better than you are!’ If you reject Jesus Christ as your Saviour then you think you are better than the Lord and His way of salvation (Rom 5v6+8). If Jesus Christ has completely fulfilled the righteousness of the Law (and He has, see v4), then what God offers an unsaved man is the righteousness of a perfect man. Any excuse an unsaved man gives for passing up the way to Heaven will be upon his own head. Christ made the way, and there is only one way, through Him. You reject Christ and you have no hope whatsoever. It will be the biggest mistake of your life, and will cost you eternity in Heaven.How does man remove his sin and get the righteousness he needs to please God? 99% of the world is trying to ‘earn it!’ Keep the Sabbath, keep the commandments, observe the Golden Rule, live by the Sermon on the Mount, take the sacraments, get baptized, live the best you can… and on and on it goes. Religions and cults all tell you to work for your salvation, for your Justification (cf. Eph 2v8+9, Titus 3v5, 2 Tim1v9, Rom 10v4, Gal 5v4, Rom 7v4, Gal 2v16, Gal 3v11+24+25 etc.) God says it’s His way, man says it’s His way. Man has no excuse for rejecting Christ and His righteousness.If we go by your logic, then we can't be saved because we aren't Jews:Matthew Chapter 10:5-6 "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."Divide the word of God as you are commanded to: 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
>>18339060No Christian should stop the gospel from being preached
>>18336648NIV and KJV say the same thing, just different wording. As is with all translations. There are a few that change meaning, but most do not. >>18336902The 4channer fears the Godhead.>>18336735It does. All who have not been sanctified will be cast away like trash to the place God does not see.
>>18336648Jesus of Nazareth didn't exist, or the Romans would have mentioned him as they did with the Messiah-claimants Yehuda of Galilee in 6 CE, Theudas in 44 CE, and Benjamin the Egyptian in 60 CE.Nazareth didn't exist, either: The historian Josephus led a military campaign in the region in the 60s and mentioned 45 cities and villages in Galilee, but not Nazareth. He did, however, mention Japha/Yafa/Japia, a village a mile southwest of Nazareth's location where he lived for a while.You can see the full story here: https://www.academia.edu/4603915/Jesus_Is_a_Li
>>18339076“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”
>>18339060He doesn't even write 'em.
>>18339118Ephesians 5:30“For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.”Titus 3:5-9: "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain."If you can boast about your salvation because you achieved it by following the law or by any other kind of work you did, then you are ignoring what the word of God says. You are not in old testament.Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” What you are doing right now, is spitting at Jesus Christ and saying "I don't care that you got crucified to save us, I don't care about your righteousness. I'm going to justify myself to God MY way."
>>18339695Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
>>18336648>AGGGHHHHH I SACRIFICED COUNTLESS INFANTS AT THE ALTAR TO BA'AL!He would be in Heaven if this was the case, particularly if the sacrificed children were cursed with pale ghoulish skin.
>>18339695Your entire view of God is 100% based on the words of Paul, not the words of God or even the words of Jesus Christ, but Paul. Paul is your God.
>>18340244The Bible IS the word of God, ALL of it. If God can't decide what to keep in HIS book then it's not HIS BOOK. Under the Law (OT), salvation is by works and faith. His faith in what God has told him to do, his PERSONAL faith in his own works (Habbakuk 2:4). For example, God told Noah to build an ark. Noah believed if he did what God told him to do that God would save him. In Hebrews 11, every one in that chapter adds works to his faith.New Testament faith, though, is in Someone who does the work for you. It is not merely your faith. It is "the faith of God" (Rom. 3:3), the "faith of Jesus Christ" (Rom 3:22; Gal. 2:16), (Gal. 2:20) etc. It is the faith which God and His Son give to you so that you will believe the work which He did for you. Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Faith itself, the ability to believe on Jesus Christ for salvation, is a gift from God, not your own work.Look at Romans 10:8 and 17 and see how that faith is given to a man. "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." When a sinner is presented with the Scriptures explaining salvation, the faith to believe it is given to him. Every Christian is to impart that faith to a lost world (Rom. 10:14), but the responsibility to exercise that faith is on the sinner who heard the word of God preached. It is not a Calvinistic election, it's a choice.The other choice a sinner can make is quenching the conviction of the Holy Spirit and defy the Lord, turning his back on the Bible and sin against his conscience to sear it. The lost try to alibi their way out of believing to avoid responsibility in willful ignorance. "I can't understand." You don't have to understand. We are talking about Jesus Christ paying for your sin by His death on the cross and rising again to give you a home in heaven. Will you receive Him as your own personal Saviour?
>>18340244Tell me this. Did Jesus Christ appear in Israel at the time of the Old Testament, or the New Testament? Tip: It requires blood:Hebrews 9:17“For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.”John 1:17“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”Romans 7:6“But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”Why would Jesus preach a New Testament to the Jews who are under the Old Testament, when He hadn't even provided the blood needed yet. John 6:53-56 "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him."So are you part of the body of Christ, or are you exclusively a servant, trying to prove to God that you deserve to go to heaven because you achieved good works and didn't submit to the desires of your flesh.Ephesians 5:30“For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.”You do realize sin needs a payment, right? Will you take death, or life?Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
>>18340735>every word of a corrupted translation >book of the LORDIn the King James Version of the New Testament, 1 John 5:7 reads:>For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.Using the writings of the early Church Fathers, the Greek and Latin manuscripts and the testimony of the earliest extant manuscripts of the Bible, Newton demonstrated that the words "in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one", that support the Trinity doctrine, did not appear in the original Greek Scriptures.
>>18341096The shorter portion of Newton's dissertation was concerned with 1 Timothy 3:16, which reads (in the King James Version):>And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.Newton argued that, by a small alteration in the Greek text, the word "God" was substituted to make the phrase read "God was manifest in the flesh" instead of "which was manifested in the flesh". He attempted to demonstrate that early Church writers in referring to the verse knew nothing of such an alteration. This change increases textual support for trinitarianism, a doctrine to which Newton did not subscribe. There is evidence that the original Greek read 'ος' but was modified by the addition of a strikethrough to become 'θς' (see the excerpt from the Codex Sinaiticus, above). 'θς' was then assumed to be a contraction of 'θεος'. The biblical scholar Metzger explains, "no uncial (in the first hand) earlier than the eighth or ninth century [...] supports θεος; all ancient versions presuppose ὃς or ὃ; and no patristic writer prior to the last third of the fourth century testifies to the reading of θεος." In other words, Bible manuscripts closest to the original said 'who' and not 'God' in verse 16.
>>18341096The "original scripts" you're referring to, the Alexandrian texts which the modern "Bibles" are translated from Egypt, not from Israel. They are twisted by gnostics like origen and are far from "original". The KJV is from Textus Receptus which is over 5000 copies of texts, and uses The Byzantine Text which is from Antioch where the first Christians originated from (Acts 11:26).The modern "Bibles" have errors and contradictions unlike the KJV. The KJV is not corrupted. Here's just some examples of some blatant contradictions from your "original Greek Scriptures" (allegedly).2 Samuel 21:19Goliath was beheaded by David over 30 chapters ago in 1 Samuel 17:51. While the underlying Hebrew also says “Goliath”, the correct reading “brother of Goliath” is confirmed by the parallel passage in 1 Chronicles 20:5.Mark 1:2Mark quotes two prophets, starting with Malachi 3:1 in Mark 1:2 before proceeding to quote Isaiah 40:3 in Mark 1:3. Modern Bibles suggest that Mark identified Malachi’s writing as Isaiah’s, which is an obvious error.Hebrews 3:16Modern Bibles suggest all Israel provoked the Lord and were not able to enter the promised land. However, Joshua and Caleb did not provoke the Lord (Numbers 14:22-24), nor did others, according to the KJB, such as Eleazar the priest, who also entered the promised land (Numbers 3:32, Joshua 21:1).Genesis 27:39In the KJB, Isaac blessed Esau. But in modern translations, he curses him, contradicting the Holy Ghost in Hebrews 11:20, which reads: By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.Heres more examples you can check yourself, and see just how corrupt your modern "Bible" is. The site is https://kjvcompare.com/Hebrews 2:14, Luke 2:33, Deuteronomy 22:28, Galatians 4:1, Genesis 22:17, Genesis 1:27, Genesis 5:1This should be clear enough evidence if you actually care about the truth. God makes no mistakes. So will you submit to the truth, or do you truth to be subject to you?
There's people right now on /his/ fighting over a books ending meaning they burn. This is a serious issue, I do not think arguing semi-toy guns would be acceptable.
>>18341276No one has the original manuscripts, these trinitarian corruptions of scripture become evident when you look at manuscripts which are the closest available to the original (that is, the oldest manuscripts) and the works of people who quoted them.>b-but look at these errors and contradictions in other versions!Why do you avoid addressing the CORRUPTIONS in the KJV?
Your holiness is the answer to every question that was ever asked, is being asked now, or will be asked in the future. Your holiness means the end of guilt, and therefore the end of hell. (https://acim.org/acim/en/s/441#4:1-2 | W-39.4:1-2)>>18336756are you enjoying it?
>>18341690Cyprian writes around A.D. 250, ‘The Lord says “I and the Father are one' and likewise it is written of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 'And these three are one.”’This predates your "oldest manuscripts".https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/a-defense-of-1-john.phpBut if you really want to be deceived by Bible corruptors that much and would rather lap up contradictions and lies, then go ahead.https://truthischrist.com/seven/https://truthischrist.com/elton-anomaly-823543/https://truthischrist.com/70x7-kjb-code-jesus-is-the-son-of-god/
>>18342454>CyprianLolhttps://bible.org/article/comma-johanneum-and-cyprian
>>18343141Like I said, if you want a "Bible" that has clearly contradicts itself, take it then. Romans 1:19, "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them." "God reveals Himself to men inside of them. In regards to the Bible revisers, they know in themselves (God bears witness) that the King James Bible is the truth. The problem is that they don't want to submit themselves completely to the truth. They want the truth to be subject to them."
>>18343182How can the KJV be the truth if it was corrupted by trinitarians?
Your god literally tortured and sacrificed his own sonAnd blatantly expects you to suffer the same way (carry your own cross)Christianity is a demiurge religion that stretched out the loosh extraction sacrifice to a lifetime of shame, fear, guilt and pain
>>18343182>literally equating a 17th century Anglican translation of the bible with God HimselfIdolatry
>>18343492How has it been corrupted by trinitarians?
>>18343551They inserted their own doctrine into it, thereby corrupting it. Trinitarianism is unbiblical.
>>18343492Jesus Christ IS God:2 Pet 2v1 Col 2v9 Acts 20v28 John 1v1-3 (Gen 1v1) 2 Cor 8v9 John 16v28 John 8v42 John 3v13 John 6v62 John 17v5 John 8v58 (Exo 3v14) John 1v14+15+29+30 John 5v23+24+28+29 (2 Cor 5v10) John 10v28 John 16v7 Rev 1v8, Rev 22v13- 16 Prov 8 Isa 43v11, Acts 4v12, Isa 45v15 Heb 1v2+6+8 Titus 1v3+4, Titus 2v10+13 Titus 3v4+6 1 Tim 2v3 Rom 9v5 Mark 2v5-7, Col 3v13 Mat 26v63-65 Num 21v5+6, 1 Cor 10v9 Ps 102v24-27, Heb 1v10-12 Isa 6v1-10, John 12v39-41 Isa 8v13+14, Rom 9v33, 1 Cor 1v23 1 John 5v20, John 17v3 Isa 44v6, Rev 22v13 Mal 3v6, Heb 13v8 Mat 18v20 John 2v24+25, John 6v70+71, John 13v10+11 Isa 45v23, Phil 2v10+11 Col 1v15-18, John 1v3+10, Eph 3v9 Acts 7v59+60 John 20v24-28 Gen 1v26 1 Tim 4v10 1 Tim 3v16 Ps 98v9 1 Tim 6v15+16 Isa 9v6God The Trinity (1 John 5v7)The Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) were present in the…Incarnation – Mat 1v20-25, Luke 2v13+14Death – John 3v16, John 10v18, Rom 8v32, Heb 9v14Resurrection – Acts 2v24, John 2v19, John 10v18, 1 Pet 3v18As believers we know the reality of the Trinity in our lives – Eph 4v6, Col 1v27, 1 Cor 6v19Godhead – ‘plural’ – Acts 17v29, Rom 1v20, Col 2v9, Gen 1v26, Gen 3v22, Gen 11v7, Isa 6v8, Gen 18v1+2Trinity in the Old Testament (OT) – Isa 59v19+20, Isa 63v7-10, Isa 60v16, 2 Sam 23v2+3, Isa 48v16Trinity Scriptures – Mat 28v19, Mat 3v16+17,2 Cor 13v14, John 14v16+17, Eph 2v18, 1 Cor 12v4-6, Eph 4v4-6, 1 John 5v7, 1 Pet 1v2, Gal 4v6Trinity, ONE yet separate – 1 John 4v14, John 16v7, John 5v22+27, John 10v30+38, John 15v26, John 14v23+26, John 3v16+35, 2 Pet 1v17+18, John 8v17+18, Luke 10v16, Rev 3v21+22, 1 Cor 6v14Father and Son are Saviour – Titus 1v3, Acts 5v31, Hos 13v4, 1 John 4v14, Luke 2v11Father and Son are coming again – John 14v3, Rev 4v8, Acts 1v11, 1 Thes 4v14, Rev 1v7+8, Rev 22v20Father and Son – First and Last – Isa 44v6, Rev 1v17+18, Rev 22v12+13Father and Son – Mighty God – Jer 32v18, Isa 9v6Also: John 5v23, 1 John 2v23
>>18344166What is man? You are a BODY, a SOUL and a SPIRIT. Look at 1 Thes 5v23, Heb 4v12, Ecc 12v7, Ecc 3v21. Your spirit (spirit of man) is dead until you get born again (Read John 3). Gen 35v18, 2 Tim 4v6-8, Phil 1v23. Unlike JW’s and other cults, us Bible Believers understand that we are made up of three parts (a picture of the Trinity). Very soon I shall step out of my body of death, which is corrupt, and perishing day by day, and receive a new resurrected perfect body.https://download.timefortruth.co.uk/docs/Christian_Soldiers_Battle_Notes.pdfIf you really want to use a bible that has contradictions and is translated from a text from Alexandria, Egypt, then fine, but at least get the doctrine of the trinity right, because if you don't think Jesus Christ is God, how can He help you? You've been fed a lie by cults.
>>18344166>Jesus Christ IS GodNope. You should try reading the verses you post some time. I mean, John 17:3? Really? Your reading comprehension must be terrible if you actually read that and still think it means Jesus is God.
>>18344166Here's the KJV itself disproving its own corrupted verses.>[John 5:19] Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.>[John 5:30-32] I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. If I alone testify about Myself, My testimony is not true. There is another who testifies of Me, and I know that the testimony which He gives about Me is true.>[John 5:36] But the testimony which I have is greater than the testimony of John; for the works which the Father has given Me to accomplish—the very works that I do—testify about Me, that the Father has sent Me.>[John 6:38] For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.>[John 7:16-18] Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.>[John 8:28-29] Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.>[John 8:54-55] Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
>>18344166>[John 12:44-50] Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.>[John 14:28] Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.>[John 17:1-5] These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.>[John 17:21-23] That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
>>18344166And the OT.>[Deuteronomy 4:35] Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him.>[Deuteronomy 32:39] See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.>[Isaiah 44:6] Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.>[Isaiah 45:5-6] I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.>[Isaiah 46:5] To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?God has no equal.
>>18344269"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." (Acts 20:28)Matthew 4:7: “Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.”John 1:1-2: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God."John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”Philip 2:5-8: Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."Matt 28:19“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”Isaiah 9:6, 7, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given… and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Only the Lord God Himself could be the fulfillment of these names. Wonderful – Only God is truly wonderful. See Luke 18:19, none good save the Lord God. Counsellor – Only the omniscient God could be the perfect Counsellor, Psalms 16:7. The Mighty God – The One prophesied to be the Messiah was to be God Himself. The Everlasting Father – John 10:30, Jesus said, “I and My Father are one.” In this text Jesus as man was born but Jesus as God was “given.” (God always existed.)>>18344301God indeed has no equal, that's why Jesus Christ is not separate from God, because He is God. If Jesus Christ is separate from God, then Philip 2:5-8 is incorrect.
>>18344394>>18344166The first commandment of all: God is one. Not two. Not three. ONE.And there is NONE other but he.[Deuteronomy 6:4] Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is ONE Lord:>[Mark 12:28-34] And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is ONE God; and there is NONE other but he: And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.
>>18344397Okay, answer this, are you three? Since you are soul, body and spirit, that means you are three, right?I'm not arguing about God being One, because that's a basic fact. That doesn't mean that God can't be One in Three, kind of like how you are one in three.
>>18344405If God were one in three the shema prayer would say God is one in three. It doesn't.
>>18344397Matter: Liquid, Solid, Gas but matter isn't three separate things, these things are still matter.Is steam not H2o? Is Ice not H2o because water is H2o?Even if you consist of 3 parts, you are still one. It says God is One, but the Bible doesn't say God consists of one part.>>18344425You shall love the L-rd your G‑d with all your heart (1), with all your soul (2), and with all your might (3). Why does God make a big deal about the number 3 in the Bible?
>>183444251) Mat 28v19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:2) In Mat 3 (verses 16+17) Jesus was baptised (1) the Spirit of God descended (2), and the Father spoke (3)3) 1 John 5v7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."Colossians 2:9“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”The word Godhead occurs THREE times in Scripture… Acts 17v29, Rom 1v20, Col 2v9
>>18340244ok ahmed
>>18344445God isn't a composite creation, he's a spirit and the creator of all things.[John 4:23-24] But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.>You shall love the L-rd your G‑d with all your heart (1), with all your soul (2), and with all your might (3). Why does God make a big deal about the number 3 in the Bible?It truly takes a mind twisted by the false doctrine of Trinitarianism to try to turn TWO commandments into three.
>>18344451>1 John 5v7Why do you keep quoting a corrupted verse?
>>18344451>The word Godhead occurs THREE times in Scripture… Acts 17v29, Rom 1v20, Col 2v9Those are each a different word in Greek
>>18344488Matthew 4:7: “Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.”
>>18344493Retard.
>>18344493?
>>18344488https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-cRFCAfjjo&list=PLFIc5Y7xpsJLJf_qrDlParLXxlhYmwBXz&index=39https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyejzvcBvG8&list=PLFIc5Y7xpsJLJf_qrDlParLXxlhYmwBXz&index=16https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCCCH7X1_Y0&list=PLFIc5Y7xpsJLJf_qrDlParLXxlhYmwBXz&index=40https://youtu.be/WIKnmlON79s?si=xooYVw_MsD9t4og_
>>18338473>be me, first time in /his/damn it
>>18338370Jesus represents the Father, and in Johannine theology, the Spirit of God is God's personal presence, which indwells the body of Jesus. The Father himself is in Jesus which is the contrast to how God was in the temple and tabernacle. The body of Jesus is the temple of God now (see John 2b). This is a direct parallel to John 14:5-11, "he who has seen me has seen the Father... the words I speak are not mine, but the Father's who sent me." Look at the entire statement of what Jesus says in John 12. This is all one block of a sermon of text from Jesus:>"The one believing in Me, does not believe in Me, but in the One having sent Me. And the one beholding Me, beholds the One having sent Me. I have come into the world as a light, so that everyone believing in Me should not abide in darkness. And if anyone hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world. The one rejecting Me and not receiving My words has one judging him: The word which I spoke, that will judge him in the last day. For I did not speak from Myself, but the Father Himself, having sent Me, gave Me a commandment, what I should say and what I should speak. And I know that His commandment is eternal life. Therefore what I speak, as the Father has said to Me, so I speak.”The entire passage is Jesus telling us not to believe him if we think he works from himself. An odd statement if he is God. See John 5:19, 30; 10:37-38. See also John 5:31 ff. The reason we believe Jesus is because we believe the Father is in him. If Jesus did these miracles without the Father, Jesus is still saying "do not believe me unless the source is the Father." If someone else comes and does the exact same works as Jesus but attributes them to another source... the 4th Buddha, Allah, Zarathustra, whatever, you're not to believe him. Compare John 12:46 with John 1:4-11. This is the basis of that passage.
>>18338370>>18345174The prologue of John was written by a later author and added when the gospel of John reached its final stage of redaction (ecclesiastical). In the same way Jesus is saying that he is a light to the world, so also was John the Baptist. John the Baptist pointed to Christ, Christ points us to God. The light in Jesus is the Father, and he shines (the shekinah glory of John 1:14) through him. This is actually part of the meaning of the transfiguration.There are many reconstructions of John's gospel. The original ordering of it seems to be far removed from what we have today. It is similar to 2 Corinthians (or what we now consider 2 Corinthians). This isn't new to anyone concerned with critical scholarship, but because most Unitarians are not, I will briefly explain:It looks like the original gospels of John was written on a scroll that was cut into pieces and thrown up in the air, and then stitched back together by a later hand. Some scholars detect multiple hands involved in the writing of the gospel, as many as 7. Most agree that John 21 was a later addition. Even some evangelical scholars note this, because John 20 has an ending and John 21 looks very similar to the longer ending of Mark. A later harmonization and clarification for theological and ecclesiastical reasons. The prologue is thought to also be a later hand. But the content of John's gospel seems to be all over the place. There are geographical issues where Jesus travels from one place to another which makes far more sense if you have reconstructed the text in another way. This is sometimes charged to (I used Bultmanns term here:) "the ecclesiastical redactor." A later hand that put the canonized works together as we have them today in response to the gnostic "heresies."
>>18338370>>18345174>>18345177If this is the case, that John was originally constructed in a different order than what the later redactional universal text has, then one reconstruction of this text given by scholars places this passage of John in a different way:John 8:21-30, 12:34-36, 3:14-21, 12:44-50, 12:36-43.Copy and paste these sections of John together, remove the verse and chapter separations, and see if this doesn't make more sense contextually than the canonical form. In Greek, this is even more apparent due to grammatical consistency. This also helps solve the notoriously difficult reading of John 12:41 that Trinitarians like to use.
>>18343516So?
>>18344476trinitarianism is mostly caused by biblical illiteracy
>>18345750Hylic
>>18336648More like >>AGGGHHHHH I SACRIFICED COUNTLESS INFANTS TO YAHWEH AS PER EXODUS 22:29-30!>IIIIIIIIIIIII-I SLANDERED LORD BAAL HAMMON! NO NOT THE BARBED DEMONS COCKS PLS!!!!>THESE ARE SINS WORTHY OF THE SAME EXACT PUNISHMENT, WE BOTH DESERVE TO BE HERE AAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
>>18346075For sure.
>>18346139>EXODUS 22:29-30Uh i thought human sacrifice wasn't kosher?
>>18346571It isn't
>>18346075People also tend to confuse what Jesus said with what the Jews accused him of saying in John 5. There the accusation is that Jesus makes himself equal to God, and the response uses the same words to deny the charge. The son makes nothing of himself. It is precisely as obedient son that he imitates the Father.This is the whole point of the Gospel. Jesus is not making himself something. As God’s supreme agent, he does what God does and to accept him is to accept the Father who sent him. It is the language of agency, which many scholars have explored in connection with John’s christology.
>>18346927James VanderKam in his article "John 10 and the Feast of Dedication" (in Of Scribes and Scrolls : Studies on the Hebrew Bible, Intertestamental Judaism, and Christian Origins; University Press of America, 1990) has made a fascinating observation on the background of the story in 10:22-39. The occasion, being Hanukkah, was one of remembering the persecution of Antiochus IV Epiphanes and Jesus was standing at the Portico of Solomon, a vestige of the First Temple that survived the various destructions and rebuildings of the city. And here Jesus is accused of again making himself (ποιεῖς σεαυτὸν), in this instance, God. The occasion suggests that Jesus was here viewed as akin to Antiochus who Daniel describes as exalting and magnifying himself above every god (11:33-34; cf. 7:20, 8:10-11). Note the parallel to John 5:18, 10:33 in 2 Maccabees 9:12 in which Antiochus declares on his deathbed that "it is right to submit to God; no mortal man should equal himself to God (μὴ θνητὸν ὄντα ἰσόθεα φρονεῖν)". So the setting of the story potentially informs its reading; the accusation has in view a historical backdrop with Jesus seemingly imitating one of the most notorious figures in Jerusalem’s past, who desecrated the sanctuary and persecuted those faithful to the covenant.
>>18346927Dan McClellan made a video talking about this. The short explanation is that Jesus is likely referencing an interpretation of Psalm 82 where the Israelites are made divine through the logos at Mount SinaiThis comment is in the context of Jesus not seeing himself as God, but instead as the divine logos of God, with the reason he came down to earth being divination.https://youtu.be/7Z1_HRuEIvoOne of Dan’s sources he recommends is the new book The Gospel of John a New History by Hugo Mendez.
>>18346571Oh sweet summer child, >“Do not hold back offerings from your granaries or your vats. “You must give me the firstborn of your sons. Do the same with your cattle and your sheep. Let them stay with their mothers for seven days, but give them to me on the eighth day.Exodus 22:29-30>So I gave them other statutes that were not good and laws through which they could not live; I defiled them through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn—that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the LORD.’Ezekiel 20:25-26
