>wake up>you are the leader of Poland in 1935What do you do, knowing history?What is even the winning move here?
>>18338800Ally with czechoslovakia and invade germany
>>18338800Befriend the USSR and invade Germany in a pan-Slavic alliance
>>18338800Literally just ally with the Soviets against Germans, it's not rocket scienceCzechoslovakia and France were already Soviet allies in the 30s, and Poland was France's ally
>>18338800Create a Polish-French-Soviet-Czech alliance against Germany and Italy
A pan-slavic alliance would have been able to defeat the axis powers
>ally with the other slavsthat would require Poles not being Poles which is not possible.
>>18338800Poland basically had two sets of possible allies against the nazisEither they side with britain, or with france and the ussrThey prioritized relations with the british and got fuckedWe don't know what would have happened if they sided with france and the ussr but it couldn't have been worse
>>18338800firstly, tell the brits to fuck off. they're not useful as an ally and don't have the ability to come to poland's defense even if they wanted to.strengthen the alliance with france and form an entente with stalin. also get fdr as an ally.then invade germany and force hitler into a war he's not prepared for. if the brits try to join the axis then america can just annex canada and the ussr can annex india.end result: france and poland become the new regional powers of europe and divide germany, italy, and hungary between them. british empire gets absorbed into the usa and ussr
You can't do shit. People will tell you to sell your ass to Stalin, But you can't just give up lands like this. Your government wont allow you and you'd be gone in a day,
>Instead of peacefully becoming part of a Greater German European ubermensch super empire you would rather be stinking slav(e) apes that drag the entire continent into a war and forever destroy EuropeExplain this shit to me. Why are Poles like this?
>>18338949Hitler would have genocided us regardless. An alliance with Stalin could have worked
>>183389341. The presence of Britain in your side means your opponent gets no maritime imports or exports, Germany was a net food importer, didn't have sufficient access to oil and had virtually no access to rubber. If you don't understand why this is a huge benefit you're stupid.2. FDR needed to orchestrate convoluted schemes to eventually get involved in a war, he wouldn't be able to proactively engage on the continent.3. In 1933, right after elections, Pilsudski suggested to the French that they should preemptively invade Germany together. Nothing came out of it. This was the single best window to do it.4. The Franco-Soviet alliance was eternally dependent on the government in charge. Poles were also unlikely to allow the soviet troops on their territory for variety of reasons.
>>18338800Double it and give it to the next person.
>>18339020france had a navy, and britain could be defeated by france + america. Fdr could join the war by using japan as an excuse, same as in our timeline
>>18338800I would just mobilize the army fully and cultivate better relations with the ussr to avoid being stabbed in the back. Poland didn't even mobilize the their full army in 1939 which is why it took so short a time. Ideally a combined Czech and Polish offensive would push Germany's shit in since contrary to popular belief the Nazi's economic miracle was just pushing back economic collapse 5 years, they'd fold quickly once their home territories got invaded.
>>18339020Having the British as an ally also means the Russians will be your enemy though. It's not possible for Poland to hold out against both Russia and Germany, and given how useless Britain was in helping Poland in 1939, it was clearly a blunder to prioritize relations with them
Ally with Germany against the bolsheviks.
>>18339045No.
>>18339020>1. The presence of Britain in your side means your opponent gets no maritime imports or exports, Germany was a net food importer, didn't have sufficient access to oil and had virtually no access to rubber.This is just outright untrue, life isnt a video game, Germany was able to get a lot through the blockade using backends and diplomacy to circumnavigate the RN.
>>18338800Allying with Czechoslovakia is a no-brainer. All you have to do is convince Beneš to not give up Sudetenland and Germany's fucked
>>18339108Czechs didn't need to be convinced to do anything, it was Poland who was antagonistic towards them during the interwar period over Cieszyn
>>18339045>Ally with the genocidal Nazi orcs against your fellow slavs
>>18338803>>18338825>Western Allies support Germany after aggression actionsPoland still lose and partitioning again.
>>18339045Yes.>>18339181Poles-Japanese alliance against Soviet Russian (Orcs)
>>18338800Attack Germany asap
>>18338800Call Hitler a dirty Zionist Jew.
I make the holocaust real.
>>18338949You are a brown, disgusting latinx subhuman that looks akin to an olmec ogre. Hitler would have considered you a subhuman among subhumans, a sub-subhuman. You would have been used as cattle and beasts of burden at best and as target practize and subsubhuman experimentation at worst.
>>18338800Join the winning team of course
>>18338949Third worlders should never get any internet access.
>>18338831Add Italy to the pact and you are Golden
>>18338800>>18338803Don't start war then cry victim.
>>18339577Shitalians are no better than nazis. They also hate slavs
>>18338949Based
>>18339555>>18339533Polish are honorable browns, newfags
>>18338800Poland biggest (though the only one) mistake was refusing to aid Czechoslovakia in 1938. We've had some territorial disputes with the Czechs and we weren't on friendly terms but w/e. France wanted do defend Czechoslovakia and we should have joined.Grabbing Czechoslovakia let the Germans to snowball and build their further momentum by conquering subsequent (smaller) countries. And France wasn't too eager do defend _us_ this time (duh).Other possibilities (allying with Germany or USSR) would have been pointless as we would be either eventually Germanized or vassalized by the Soviets (anyway).
>>18339585It's a fake quote you faggot.Daily Mail hasn't been released on Sundays.
>>18339030France had a navy but it was focused on Mediterranean. For Germany it was also conceivable to overtake the French in a naval race given time as well, and as noted, they did have time. Granted, Britain torpedoed Franco-Italian treaty(France also torpedoes Anglo-Italian treaty desu) which would mean MN could focus on the Atlantic, but it was not even close as dominant of a factor as RN was. Also ok FDR manages to get entangled in the war via Japan, but it took years, and with the Polish-German war nobody expected Poland to last years, 6 months maybe at best. The defeat of the French was a case of bad luck desu, but even then something as small as the BEF was important for their plans to work(French population in 1939 was half that of Germany, 100k young British professional soldiers is a section of the front that doesn't have to be manned with 100k 55 years old Frenchmen mobilised for the occasion).Also I'll repeat, the Soviet-Polish alliance was very unlikely because the poles had good reasons to be distrustful of the soviets(throughout the 20's they had to fight a low level guerilla war against commie partisans in the east, having the red army move in meant that they'd probably leave caches and marauders behind to start it up again at the very minimum.
>>18339624The French would never fight a war in 1938. They were very concerned with the state of their fighter airplane fleet and were in the middle of reorganising aircraft production in that year, which also market a low point in their production in the runup to the war. Their entire planning revolved around having "eastern ally" to absorb the initial German attack and then bleed the German out in defensive battles in Belgium(think Gembloux gap) and eventually counterattack.
>>18339020British actually told Poland not to militarize in the runup to the war, then abandoned Poland to Nazi brutality for the entire war to instead fight the Italians over North African colonies.Next to worthless 'ally'
>>18339701>British actually told Poland not to militarize in the runup to the warThis was meant to not give Germany any excuse to invade, because the Germans could easily have used a Polish mobilization as a legitimate casus belli like they did against Russia in 1914.>then abandoned Poland to Nazi brutality for the entire war It's easier to pin this argument on France rather than Britain.Britain only had a single division ready on the continent in 1939. France had closer to 100 divisions ready.There was nothing Britain could have done, the argument is that Britains guarantee alone was meant to prevent Germany from attacking since it would be suicidal for Germany to be at war with Britain and France. Poland may be lost in the opening phase of the war but the end result would still be a restored Poland and a defeated Germany. The only difference was that the allies expected a victory over Germany much sooner.The ironic reality of ww2 was that both Britain and Germany believed the other to be bluffing, but when war become a reality neither side wanted to back down.> to instead fight the Italians over North African colonies.You're intentionally leaving the major gap of entire 1940 for reasons I dont know. Poland would have been restored already in 1940 had the Germans botched the war in Scandinavia or the west.The reason Britain shifted to a N.Africa strategy was because France surrendered and northern France became the strongpoint of the Wehrmacht. Italy was weak and became the ideal re-entry point to the continent to take the fight to Germany, tho Britain did briefly attempt in Greece as well.
>>18339612You are on /his/ not /pol/
Return ALL of the stolen land to Germany
>>18339624Poland and Czechoslovakia couldn't fight Germany alone, even if they would stop blitzkrieg with better defensive lines and by the joint forces of Czech weapons and Pole's numbers, they would eventually get overun (46m vs 75m) + war over Sudetland could bring world sympathies to the nazis (it was still before Kristallnacht and mass treaty breaking so a lot of people thought that Hitler was just another normal german leader who only wanted a german majority region)
>>18339865Germany was weak without Czech industry and Czech tanks.
>>18338800I would ally with Hitler and Stalin. Send all of Polish men to Stalin's camps. Tell Hitler to send his German bulls to breed Polish womb. Polack saved, genetically, at least.
>>18339880Poles look better than Germans and that's not saying much.
>>18339880>>18339924Germans look either like Mengele or like a total numale with puffy retard face.
>>18339852>HaitiFuck off you dumb newfags
>>18338800>ally with Germany>go 3vs1 against USSR (Poland, Germany andJapan)>destroy the biggest, most militaristic empire on Earth>become one of the strongest countries in Europe, while the westerners seethe
>>18338825>USSR>Slavic
>>18339956USSR was 70% russian in the 30s, and the rest were mostly ukrainians, belarusians and churkas
>>18339957russians are a mix of khazars and fingols
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>>18339974while on the topic: name a difference, any difference
>>18339965>t. Seethe retarded low IQ brownoid
>>18340013>>18339932>>18339612this board has even lower IQ than /x/ and /fit/
>>18338800these replies are the most nonsensical hoi4 shit i've ever heard. no understanding of geopolitics lmao
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>>18340016>>18339612
>>18338825The good ending but only because the Entente would ally themselves with Germany and they would eradicated Judeo-Slavic bolshevism together.
>>18338949>Instead of peacefully becoming part of a Greater French European ubermensch super empire you would rather be stinking german(oid) apes that drag the entire continent into a war and forever destroy Europewhy are germans like this?
>>18338949The corridor was a very recent issue which Poland couldn't ignore, and they were a geographic screen for the communist build up for Zukovs imminent invasion of Europe.On the other hand, Poland still remembered the judeo-bolsheviks nearly genociding them in the preceding decade. Nobody would've allowed the government to ally with Stalin, it wouldve been both political and social (possibly literal) suicide.There was no winning move for them in 1935.
>>18340016The Poles always were the most emotional and left/woke-leaning European nation ever, weren't they.
>>18340179>the Entente would ally themselves with Germany>The Fashoda Incident also had broader implications, including a temporary turnabout in France's revanchist policy toward Germany and the potential for a Franco-German alliance against Britain. Historians can observe how the altered geopolitical balance had global effects in the post-Fashoda colonial era, perhaps it could have led to a Franco-German friendship treaty during the war in the Transvaal and persisted until the secret Björkö protocol of 1905, which would have guaranteed Germany a central role among the Entente powers instead of Great Britain. This alongside German diplomatic inaction is considered a missed strategic opportunity to reshape alliances with potential inclusion of Austria-Hungary and Italy if Britain and Germany allied thus revived the pre-1815 old coalition alliance, reshaping the balance in Europe and colonial theatres before the Great War or prevented the war altogether. Britain perhaps move away from Franco-Russian rapprochement.If only Kaiser have better Chancellor
>>18341514Are you genuinely retarded?
>>18341514Actually, you genuinely right.
>>18341514>>18341584Shitskin stormfags are like jews they claim to hate. Always lying, always using mental gymnastics.
>>18341518>Franco-German alliance against BritainLiterally never going to happen. France's policy for 500 years has always been to divide up the German states, and they will side with any group of Slavs against us.The only potential allies for Germany are England and Italy
>>18341992>The only potential allies for Germany are England and ItalyAnd Poland. It made sense from a strategic sense - the USSR was a menace for both countries. The Danzig situation would require some delicate diplomacy, but in light of a strong enemy, it could've been done.
>>18338800Stop stealing Germanland and start learning German.
>>18342151Why should a German care about a Russian vs Polish dispute? They're both Slavs, they both hate us. It's not my business.The Czechs are the only Slavs that aren't fully anti-German. Hitler made a mistake by attacking them first
>>18342168Czechs already had an alliance with the USSR though
>>18342168>firstAn eternal Kraut has spoken.
>>18341514>most emotionalYes, to the level of insanity>leftwhen nationalism was still left-wing>wokedon't use modern words within historical contexts. It's just using history to serve your political weltanschauung. We discuss history here, not contemporary ideology.Look at the kot
>>18342319>>most emotional>Yes, to the level of insanityI actually remember this book I read about measuring characteristics in different cultures to make teams work better, it was some business management/team building book. The section on the Polish I remember said they actually swing wildly from emotional appeals to logical arguments back to emotional appeals far more than any other culture in the book and it can make them seem hard to work with or aggressive. From my own interactions it somewhat tracks.
>>18342333>it somewhat tracksThey were a regional power after forming the Commonwealth - and they let it completely fall apart in just little over 200 years. That says a lot.
>>18342381What does it exactly say? Because I'd say it did ok for the amount of nonstop warfare it saw, part of which was their own fault but it doesn't downplay that achievement. Besides I believe if any other country had the PLC's system they would encounter the same exact problems because the PLC is what happens when the lower class nobility dominate society.
>>18339199So we just random sides out of personal convenience? What would America stand to gain from allying with Germany when they declared war first?
>>18340016>/fit/ Not a contest
>>18341593Coped harder
>>18341992French wanted anti-British alliance after fashoda aftermath and case with Egyptian leverage
>>18342542Meh. I'd rather have a German-British-Italian alliance against Fr*nce
>>18341518Likely scenario convergence ~75% probability that:1. Western Front static deadlock would not occur2. Franco-German reconciliation shifts British strategic priorities with friendly semi-rivals Russia Medium probability (~50–60%) for sustained global colonial dominance shifts3. Low probability (~20%) for stable long-term continental peace due to intra-German, Austro-Hungarian, and Balkan frictionThis alternate path implies a radically different 20th century, where continental Europe is unified under a German-French hegemony, Britain is relatively isolated in European lands but dominant at sea, and global colonial repercussions accelerate new forms of tension in Africa and Asia.
>>18342580>where continental Europe is unified under a German-French hegemonySo just the EU?>Britain is relatively isolated in European landsSo just the EU? Actually this is true of any time period
>>18342585A-H was original EU
>>18342589Yeah and it was shit
>>18342591No, it was kino.
>>18341992>Literally never going to happenPro-Russian faction in Germany, would give an opportunity on pact with France.
>>18342601No, it was shit
>>18342604Germans don't like Russia, and France doesn't like us. Stop shilling this forced meme.We wanted an alliance with England against both France and Russia
>>18342539Cope with what? I'm not the one walking streets full of poopskins and blacks like the Westoid cucks do.
>>18342865Westerners have always been envious of slavs and always will
Absolutely nothing because if you showed the most rabid polish nationalist of 1930s a map of modern day Poland Russia and Germany he would say you are delusional and that such a thing could never happen
>>18342168>Why should a German care about a Russian vs Polish dispute?He shouldn't - he should care about making an alliance against the Soviet Union, where Poland would be the best fit, as it would be a common enemy.
>>18342486Not really. The PLC's signature mark was a very weak monarch, which led to the various factions of the nobility ripping the country apart for their own benefit. No long term vision, no cohesive governance - endless petty squabbles, while the enemies prepare for attacks.
>>18342967It's strong nobility is what led to its strength and eventual downfall; and also its attractiveness when viewed by foreign nobles (not the super-rich royalties). At one point up to 13% of its population were nobles. That's huge, and proportionally way more than any other European country. Not all of these were super rich aristocrats but they were the warriors and soldiers of the state and the ones who administered the land. They had all the power. That's not even touching on the whole election system and allodial lend tenure.
>>18342609England are opportunities snake, Bismarck don’t trust them. Better form alliance with France and Russia than having two front conflict.
>>18342608Yes, it was kino
