Why was there a massive gaslighting campaign against LSD during the height of the hippie era? Was it really such a threat for society that it justified crackdowns?
Because the CIA was experimenting with it and that would have ruined the control group.
I feel like every decade since the 60s has been a different moral panic regarding drugs>60sLSD and other psychedelics>70sweed>80scoke>90s Heroin>todayfentI wonder what tomorrows drugs is going to be
>>18344610You skipped like two decades. Though I guess you could argue from two thousand to now the panic has been opioids. With a brief interlude where everyone was doing Galaxy gas (Jumbo-size whippets).
>>18344341Permanently altering your brain chemistry isn't a good thing.
>>18344627it is.
>>18344610>00sMeth.>10sFentanyl.>20sNitrous.
>>18344627>He says while psychiatrists are handing out SSRIs like candy
>>18344889How do you know he takes SSRIs?Psychedelics are bad for you and give you a false sense of enlightenment. >b-but duude it like…. cures addiction man!go back
>>18344891>How do you know he takes SSRIs?What does that have to do with anything said?>Psychedelics are bad for youWorks cited: Crack pipe
>>18344726No it isn't.>>18344889That's not a good thing.
>>18344895You’re claiming whataboutism. He said psychedelics permanently alter your brain chemistry and you just went “yeah but muh SSRIs”. No different to Reddit stoners that bring up alcohol any time their precious herb is insulted
>>18344897>He said psychedelics permanently alter your brain chemistryYou conveniently left out the part where he said that it's a bad thing as an a priori.The fact that the demand is increasing only serves to weaken that point. Changing brain chemistry is more salient than ever.
>>18344902You need neither. Your life is unnatural, you’re unhealthy and you’re godless. This is the cause of most “mental health” issues today.
>>18344907>Dude just find God and commit to the naturalistic fallacyAnd other such clichéd inanities.
>>18344627Does it actually permanently alter brain chemistry? It completely leaves the system after 48 hours. This comment just reminds me of what the OP was referencing in the 60s. There were studies "proving" chromosomal damage which got headlines and the attention of lawmakers. But studies the failed to replicate the results and ultimately proved a lack of any toxicity got sidelined. To this day there is no established limit for where a human overdose from LSD could occurhttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6494066/Read the section on "Toxicological Data". LSD is considerably safer than alcohol.
>>18345066While not outright a change in chemistry in the traditional sense, it leads to lasting neurogenesis, which may or may not be beneficial. The quintessential bad outcome is persistent hallucinations that a handful of people are susceptible to for some reason. The links between psychedelics and schizophrenia are not that clear, as the disorder is more associated with dopaminergic substances and THC.
>>18344341What confuses me the most about LSD (but this is more applicable to DMT really) is that the people that continue to use it the most recreationally are the most familiar with the horrible stories that the media sweeps under the rug.You would expect that the media would be the ones reporting stories like what happened in my college where a guy is on video biting his own fingers off naked in a res hall hallway out of his mind on dmt, but the silence is super weird, and that's just one annecdote from someone who's never done psychadelics recreationally (or at all).There's all sorts of stuff floating around about teenagers who go insane and non verbal and actually never recover, and sure not all the time but it definitely happens to maybe 10% of users.My theory is it's some sort of intelligence operation to keep an eye on certain communities through these drug distribution networks. If the government wanted to shut it down they could do so overnight.
>>18345264>The quintessential bad outcome is persistent hallucinations that a handful of people are susceptible to for some reason.The reason you take the drug is to trick your brain into experiencing phenomena that literally aren't there. I wonder what the connection could be between that and the reduction of the brain's ability to distinguish reality from hallucination
>>18345410Basically none. People are born with permatrip hallucinations in the form of synesthesia, and it actually benefits them cognitively by integrating more senses into their learning.
>>18345403>it definitely happens to maybe 10% of usersBrowse forums of people doing this stuff and you'll realize that scare stories like that are Joe Rogan level gossip.>t. know a dozen people IRL who have tripped and all have university degreesLook at the incentives. Psychedelics have the potential to make depression better in one dose (= $1 non-bulk currently, I expect legal manufacture could drop the price as low as $0.10). Now compare that to constant SSRI/SNRI medication and ofc psychiatric visits. The elite's incentives are to keep psychedelics illegal, without research and scary to normies like (You).
>>18345439>Joe Rogan level gossipI should clarify that people going psycho does happen, but that's because of existing underlying illnesses like depression and schizophrenia. Nothing surprising there.Soldiers during WW1 would sometimes get drunk and stumble into no man's land where they immediately got shot/blown apart. Does alcohol cause you to get shot then? No. Every psychoactive substance (including caffeine and alcohol) should be approached by a level of reverence.
>>18344341It's more about the weirdos in it, not that they're weirdos but how they don't do much other than be a hypejob. The stoners made the music and other things. Now, there's no avoiding them.
>>18345403>What confuses me the most about LSD (but this is more applicable to DMT really) is that the people that continue to use it the most recreationally are the most familiar with the horrible stories that the media sweeps under the rug.You have this completely the wrong way around. Horror stories were perpetuated by the media and conventional authority figures. Any millennial will remember those times when some ex-junkie had a talk at their school ("it all starts with a cigarette man and then before you know it you're doing heavier stuff, man") or having to listen to completely made up stories like a boy peeling his skin off because weed made him think he was an orange. Recreational drug users know that a lot of these stories are either completely fake or retarded and have no faith in authority figures when it comes to drug information.
>>18345403>happens to maybe 10% of usersActual studies on the matter by David Nutt (peace be upon him) et al show otherwise.
>>18345477>made him think he was an orangeTo be fair, that does happen on salvia.
>>18345480Are you saying that it is a commonplace occurrence that salvia users flay themselves or are you saying that there has been at least one (alleged) case where a salvia user with a really bad itch kept scratching themselves until they bled on a very small part of their body?
>>18345485I'm saying that salvia is a chemically unique substance that can't really be put in any box, even though it's typically associated with psychedelics.And yes, being objectified is indeed a characteristic property of it. The most common report is turning into the couch you are likely located on. However, the experience is so fleeting that you couldn't realistically harm yourself with normal repetitive motions. Jumping out the window, a scare story we hear all the time, is however a real possibility.https://youtu.be/gb76bpIWQPwI.e. salvia is what the media thinks LSD is, and even then, that's only when smoked with extremely potent extracts that defy traditional use.
>>18344896Yes it is.
>>18345485neither. salvia produces rather unique de-realization effects. you're not doing much of anything on salvia, least of all scratching yourself.
>>18345917>>18346347I'll confess that I have no personal experience with salvia, my cursory understanding of it is that when smoked it's supposed to be one of the real heavy hitters, i.e not even worth mentioning in the same breath as something like weed. My gripe is that drug PSAs are just so garbage. I was born in the 90s and I'll caveat by saying that I live in a western country that arguably has one of the most ignorant drug culture and policies among its peers. Everything we learned in school was just urban legends like the orange kid or straight up misinformation. >>18345917 mentions the classic of people jumping out windows. As far as I know there's been like one documented case of this that's attributed to LSD and the woman who did it was not high at the time, she just killed herself and her death was used as propaganda against LSD because she had used it in the past, but its framed in a way like its a commonplace occurrence that people think they can fly and just haphazardly plunge to their deaths after two hits of a joint or after taking 50ugs of acid. I'm just so tired of it because there are real and new issues with drugs like modern weed strains having dramatically higher THC contents than the shit your parents smoked or the fear or powder drugs being laced with fentanyl. I haven't been in school for over a decade now so maybe they have stepped up their game when it comes to drug PSAs but I doubt it. Instead of mitigating harm by information potential drug users that you can buy $1 testing strips to make sure your shit isn't contaminated by fent they'll just keep peddling orange boy urban legends.
>>18344605pretty funny how many people they tricked into becoming guinea pigs. They sold such a good myth with psychedelics that it persists to this day.
>>18346343The only thing that matters is whether or not it lowers your IQ. There's plenty of evidence suggesting that weed falls into this category, but I haven't been able to find anything on this about psychedelics. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but you'd think anti-drug interest groups would have dug up something by now.
>>18345403The media constantly pushes horror stories about drugs. Just a few months ago there's the was a story about some teenager who died after smoking a hhc blunt, the headline was something like "The extremely deadly new drug". Turns out the teenager downed an entire bottle of vodka before smoking the hhc blunt. There were similar stories about energy drinks "Redbull kills our children" and it's about some kid with a serious heart condition who drank 3 redbulls before a football match and got a heart attack as a result. "Teenager hospitalized after using kratom, new deadly drug" and it's about some kid using 10x the normal dose and mixing it with other drugs. My mother's generation was told that lsd makes people jump out of windows and similar shit.
Winners don't do drugs.
Weed definitely lowers your IQ but I'm pretty sure it's temporary
