The conception of “sin” is incompatible with true free will. If you are sent to hell for literally anything at all, then no you don’t have free will if God is opposed to anything you do.
free will doesn't exist but abrahamkeks are still wrong
free will is when i can chimp out and not suffer consequences or something like that yeah
If all your choices bring you to the same place you don't have free will either. You are perfectly unfree.
>>18348215There is nothing wrong with pre-marital sex and the fact that God sends you to hell for it is absurd.If God truly valued free will, then literally nobody would ever be sent to hell
>>18348239>There is nothing wrong with pre-marital sexCitation needed.>If God truly valued free will, then literally nobody would ever be sent to hellWhere would they all be sent?
>>18348209Nobody has free will, everyone is obligated to be righteous. All unrighteousness is to be severely punished. All have been warned of this.
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>>18348242>Where would they all be sent?Certain nowhere punishing.
>>18348251To heaven then? I mean if only some would be sent to heaven and others to a fairly neutral place, that would be a punishment too, right?
>>18348253If God were truly loving, everyone would be sent to heaven no exception
>>18348267So the biggest amount of freedom you can imagine is your actions not mattering in the slightest? All "choices" lead to the same place?
>>18348274Whether you go to heaven or hell only depends on whether you mentally affirm the proposition "Jesus Christ (one person of the triune God who created everything) died for my sins and rose from the dead three days later". Nothing else that you do has any impact on your final destination.
>>18348280Mentally affirming something is definitely part of belief, which is what's required. Although according to you it seems nothing should be required of anyone because freedom is perfected in all choice being illusory. Is that so?
>>18348267>if God were truly loving, He’d ignore my evil deeds and let me commit whatever crimes I wantHe sends you to hell because He loves your victims.
>>18348274If you get punished for literally anything at all, then no you don’t have free will
>>18348315>having free will means you’re literally a godOk, you don’t have free will
>>18348289I never said that nothing should be required (the previous post was my first post itt). My point is that it already is the case that everything you do aside from mentally affirming the stuff about Jesus doesn't matter.
>>18348267Even the righteous don't deserve heaven, the pleasures of heaven are sacred and a million times more pleasurable than the pleasures of earth.God is already bending over backwards to justify the few who will get in, it's already really hard even for the ones he saved to be saved, and those who were saved went though hell on earth being tested by satans and refined in suffering and humiliation to be made pure and free of guilt.
>>18348313Victims who do not believe Jesus of Nazareth is God roast in hell forever. Meanwhile, Christian murderers are forgiven.
>>18348280No, that is not what it depends on. Faith is not mere assensus, saving faith consists of notitia, assensus and fiducia. If you only assent, even the demons believe, and tremble.
>>18348330Do you sin? If the answer is yes and if you will go to heaven, those sins will have had no impact on your final destination.
>>18348329You think you are better than them? You think they merit hellfire, and you don’t? I tell you one murderer who repents is worth infinitely more than a million proud men. The saint does not look at his fellow man and say, “this one is so bad, I’m not like him”, the saint says “I am the chief of sinners”. Each and every man merits eternity under the wrath of God for his evil deeds, if God were the one to mark iniquities none would stand. But no matter the sins of the believer he will stand at God’s side not because he was righteous (for none are) but because Jesus was righteous in his place. >>18348333You don’t understand what I’m saying if you think this contradicts me. The sins had an impact insofar as my Savior was crucified for them, but I am not saved because of my own faith, nor is my own faith to any degree taken into account in the judgement of God, but He gives me a verdict of acquittal only because of the gratuitous imputation of the righteousness of Christ which is apprehended by faith alone.
>>18348338Humanity did nothing wrong, you are cuckholded for thinking you’re inherently “sinful”
>>18348338>You don’t understand what I’m saying if you think this contradicts me.I don't think it contradicts you. I know that you believe your deeds have no impact on your final destination. If you didn't, you wouldn't be using Calvinist terminology.
>>18348329If it was as simply as who believ s and who didn't then there would be no day of judgement. Judgement day exist because God plans on demanding an account on everyone's deeds, he will scrutinized everyone's heart and judge them according to who they are and what they have done.
>>18348372Everyone is guilty but the sins of those who believe have been paid for with Jesus's blood. This means that on judgement day, everyone who doesn't believe will be sentenced to hell while everyone who believes will be granted access to the heavenly kingdom.
>>18348377In the book of Job, Job maintained his position that he was completely innocent, he committed no sin and did nothing wrong. And despite their friends insistence that he must be a sinner or else God wouldn't have stuck him, he was actually right. God himself said job was correct, God even called Job a perfect man twice in the beginning of the book.So it is clear that man is capable of righteousness and god is expecting a certain level of righteousness from us that requires great effort to achieve.God will not forgive those who are not putting effort in doing the right thing.
Free will is a lie, a Christian can't poop outside the toilet, a Hindu can't poop in the toilet
>>18348239>There is nothing wrong with pre-marital sexPremarital sex generally requires contraception (which reduces sex to masturbation) or killing the unborn, or child abandonment. Even when it evades that, it leads us to the present environment of casual polyandry and women that cannot bond. Its sinfulness, nowadays, is the most self evident thing in existence.
>>18348435>pelagianismenjoy hell :-D
>>18348450If that's your view, I doubt you've ever had sex.
>>18348450>Premarital sex generally requires contraception (which reduces sex to masturbation)Do you think sex is only for procreation cuz it's not? Most people have sex just for fun and it's not wrong.>killing the unbornYou cannot kill that which has not been born yet. If abortion is murder, then miscarriage is manslaughter.>child abandonmentSo fucking rare it's not even a major issue.
