here's your based trad neopagan, folks
it's funny, they're either like this or literally just neo-nazis like Adam Green. they're atheists, but pagans at the same time. they hate christianity with the same passion that the average leftist hates america.
>>18348904Because invariably they are all atheists and materialists. They are not searching for the divine. It’s all an aesthetic. Entirely reactionary. Whether it’s against “colonial” and “patriarchal” Christianity or the weak semitic kike on a stick that ruined based trad pagan evropa. The truly spiritual side of it is just standard Wicca/occultism.
>>18348890This is why you don't let fantasy games raise your autistic kids.
>>18348890It's not like Christianity isn't infested with thes marxist slimes either. They Infiltrate everything because white people are too defeated to rid them from life.
>>18348914Pagans have no ground to object to this though.
This whole channel is gold.https://youtube.com/watch?v=p2_p_qwIyZ4
>>18348930American evangelical “pastors” operating out of a garage are not representative of all of Christianity. Dispensationalism is a Yankee protestant phenomenon.
>>18348937Bro, the Catholic Church made it legal for Jews to commit usury and crimes in year 400, meanwhile pagans and "heretics" were put to death.
>>18348942Right, and does the Catholic Church in the modern day preach that Jews are “better than us”, and that we must fund Israel to restore the Third Temple and support it because “those who bless Israel will be blessed”?
>>18348942>meanwhile pagans and "heretics" were put to deathJews put their own heretics to death too. every religion hated heretics more than the infidel.
>>18348949>>18348937>>18348930none of these guys actually believes Jews are blessed by God lol. they just think Israel has to exist for Jesus to return to Earth after which he casts all Jews into Hell for denying him.
>>18348904It's like people who are outside the mainstream in religious disposition are also outside the mainstream politically.
Of all the problems facing christianity in the current era why are the resident christbeaners obsessing over faggy pagans larping on Xitter
Paganism has a couple of very large problems. The first is that there are almost no records of its practices and beliefs anywhere. That's why it is called LARP, you are just pretending with guesswork and fanfic from looking at ruins. The chain was broken utterly and completely. The only things we know are from what the people who conquered /converted them wrote about them. The 2nd problem is Neo-paganism is infested with feminism and SJW jewery.
>>18348942lol not at all>Europe under Christianity 300 AD to 1800 ADJews completely irrelevant and impoverished, lived in shtetls and sold junk and quack medicinal cures from carts. a few smarter ones loaned money. Had no legal rights and subjected to frequent massacres and expulsions.>Europe since rise of atheism and socialism 1800 to presentSkyrocketing Jewish power. Debt slavery, abortion, sodomy, sub-replacement birth rates, pornography, the Holohoax, corrupt schools, contraception, rapefugees with "sexual emergencies," etc.
our greatness happened because of our blood, not our denomination, and in spite of christianity. We already had been shaped by paganism for many thousands of years before, and had great art, established empires, philosophy and what not before the christianization, which set us back, for a while, in the so-called "dark ages", which had other factors, but to which christianity and the actions of the church definitelly contributed - they persecuted enormous amounts of our culture.
>>18349037>We already had been shaped by paganism for many thousands of years before, and had great art, established empires, philosophy and what not before the christianizationloldude even Hitler admitted that ancient Germans were only slightly more advanced than some African tribes
>>18349037Who is “we”? There is no singular white race. The Italians were great in antiquity then great again in the medieval era. The rise of the first German cities and towns was in its Christian era. Irelands Golden Age coincided with its Christianisation. Anglo-Saxons unified under a Christian king driving out the pagan Danes. Spain and Portugal had world spanning empires when they were deeply Catholic.What “great empires” were established in Europe before Christ apart from the Roman? Which then Christianised and one half of it even survived a further millennium? The church was the only surviving authority in Western Europe for antiquity and was one of the sole threads keeping a total wipe of the history and culture of the region. The medieval era had loads of innovations. Mechanical clocks, water mills, scholasticism (from which the scientific method came), universities, accounting, musical theory, all came from monks. The church preserved loads of ancient books and stories that would have been lost forever. You have a very Reddit understanding of European history. Greece and Rome were amazing and on the verge of industrial modernity until the Christians weakened it and it fell overnight in 476. Then we spent 1000 years in a grimdark Christofascist dystopia where the Church regularly burned people alive for no reason. Then in 1500 we discovered humanism and Freemasonry and then began our great march into ever increasing socialist utopia.
I'd rather have a few people have the freedom to be faggots than everyone being forced to worship jewish culture and jewish rabbis
Christianity is a jewish bullshit cult. The jews were fucking mud hutters desert savages while pagans composed epics and produced civilization.
>>18349054t. self-hating Jew
>>18349062You worship material goods. You worship civilization. Which is ironic for a pagan larper since you all venerate nature so much and being a badass Nietzschean overman who doesn’t need urbanite softness.
>>18349046now for some of the Mediterranean nations you may say they had a long rich history of civilization before the Christian era yet much of Europe functionally has no history prior to Christianity or an identity separate from it. ask what was going on in Britain or Germany in the time of Socrates. not much as it turns out.
Is it me or do no such LARPagan movements exist in the Islamic world? Nobody there is like "Retvrn to Osiris fuck your pedo prophet desert cult ffs."
>>18349098Because Muslims have not reached the phase of spiritual exhaustion where they have all become godless nihilists and desperately search/invent new belief systems for purpose. European civilisation doesn’t only do this with neopaganism but also with the pseudo-religions of political ideology like Nazism and communism, which led to untold death and suffering in the 20th century. The reason for this is that Islam had no liberalisation (Reformation equivalent), has always been way stricter on apostasy, didn’t have the massive social revolutions from the printing press and massive colonial expansion, and probably lower IQ. Low IQs are more content to just do shit the way it’s always been done because they aren’t striving to get more out of what currently works.
>>18349054>I'd rather have a few people have the freedom to be faggotsPAGANISM YES!
>>18348976Oh, its only okay when you do it, got it.
>>18348904Both groups of pagans are super gay, the only difference is whether or not they have a confused black nerd in the group who really likes dungeons and dragons.
>>18349048Then by that measure there is no singular Asian, Black, Arab, Latino or Indian race. I wish you Yurocucks would just be happy with handy heuristics but everything's gotta be diverse just like your sexuality and your nations.
>>18349128You're actually wrong, Islam is going through its reformation period right now.
>>18349098i could understand that in part because Egyptian and Mesopotamian religion was functionally a state cult and could not exist when those governments/states disappeared. without a pharoah there's nothing to worship. you could argue that European paganism, Hinduism, and East Asian religions were generally nature worship/animism and could exist independent of a king or government.
>>18348890Literal who
>>18348981>there are almost no records of its practices and beliefs anywhereThis is a lie. We have a wealth of firsthand sources on Greco-Roman paganism that predate the Christianization of Rome and many of which predate even Christianity itself such as the Iliad, the Odyssey, the Homeric Hymns, Theogony, Works and Days, the Shield of Heracles, Prometheus Bound, Oedipus Rex, the Bacchae, Timaeus, the Argonautica, the Greek Magical Papyri, De Natura Deorum, De Divinatione, the Aeneid, the Fasti, the Metamorphoses, the Thebaid, the Achilleid, the Bibliotheca, the Fabulae, the Golden Ass, the Enneads, Isagoge, the Posthomerica, the Orphic Hymns, the Orphic Argonautica, On the Mysteries of the Egyptians, the Elements of Theology, the Dionysiaca, etc. Sure, certain texts were lost such as the Aethiopis and the Iliupersis, but enough sources survive that we know the core beliefs and practices of the Greeks and Romans (and even regarding the lost texts, we know most of their contents via summaries and quotations in other surviving works).And that’s just the Greco-Roman sources (and the ones that come to mind btw). We have a wealth of firsthand Egyptian sources such as the Pyramid Texts, the Coffin Texts, the Book of the Dead, the Book of the Heavenly Cow, the various temple inscriptions and hymns such as the Great Hymn to Osiris, etc and a wealth of firsthand Mesopotamian sources such as the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Enuma Elish, the Atra-Hasis, the Descent of Ishtar, various hymns such as Ammi-Ditana’s hymn to Ishtar, etc. All of these sources predate Christianity itself.
>>18349140Middle Eastern pagan religions had largely died out well before the Islamic era. They were dead by the time of the Achaemenid Empire and the region became Hellenized after Alexander's conquests. By the Roman era the Mesopotamian gods were no longer worshiped and the cueniform script and Akkadian language forgotten and replaced with Aramaic.
>>18349137There isn’t. There are ethnicities. There are Japanese people. Irish people. Moroccan people. Malays. Sri Lankans. Aboriginal Australians. You can group all of these together for convience but there is no biological group of “black people” or “Latino people” or “white people”. It’s a generalised term. You can’t even agree who’s white. Italians are white until they aren’t. Some mestizos are “white passing”. Russians are white and then they’re Asiatic mongrels. There are ethnic Europeans. There are East Asians. Middle Easterners. Indians These are meta categories we can talk of that exist in gradients. They are not fixed boxes. I’m sorry you never figured this out on your own. There is no such thing as “white history”. There is the history of individual European groups and then there is the collective history of the place we call Europe. You identify as white because you’re a new worlder that likely doesn’t have a real ethnic identity. You even reject the single shared belief all “white” societies have held for over 1,000 years, Christianity. Do you know there’s more genetic diversity between an East African and a West African, and of either one of them to a Pygmy or a San bushman than there is between an Englishman and a Han Chinese? Yet they are all “black”. It’s a useful shorthand. The categories aren’t real.
>>18349048>The church was the only surviving authority in Western Europe for antiquity and was one of the sole threads keeping a total wipe of the history and culture of the regionThe onset of Christianity is what stopped the preservation of pagan traditions in the first place. Some Christians preserving a couple texts relating to larger traditions isn’t a service to paganism, it’s more like putting a bandaid on a stab-wound that you inflicted. Imagine if I lit your house on fire and burned it to the ground, but went inside and grabbed your television and handed it to you before it got destroyed. Would you get on your knees and thank me? Obviously not.Besides, pagans had already been copying and preserving these texts for centuries and would have continued to do so without Christianity. Christianity was absolutely not necessarily for the preservation of these texts.
>>18349149it was generally understood that he meant northern/Eastern European pagan religions (ie. what most LARPagans claim to follow) most of which are only vaguely known.
>>18349154in that context, one may ask why the pagan Romans destroyed Carthaginian texts so thoroughly that we have only vague guesses as to their culture and way of life (and by all accounts they were as advanced as the Greeks and had their own body of scientific, philosophical writings, etc). they also destroyed the indigenous cultures of Spain and Gaul so little is known about those. anything you can fault Christians for here had already been done well before the Christian era.
>>18349154Catholicism integrated many pagan traditions which are still alive to this day.
>>18349151>By the Roman era the Mesopotamian gods were no longer worshipedThis isn’t actually true. While they did switch to speaking Aramaic, they still continued to worship their native gods in rural areas until Christianization (though some evidence suggests it might have survived up to the 7th century AD in certain areas).
>>18349154Why would they have? Why would pagans care so much about old knowledge? Why would the masses of peasants in the now fallen Classical civilization (it would have still fallen), have cared about the masses of books around them? What pagans would have preserved them? Cults changed over time. In an apocalypse people have better shit to do. There would be no unified clerical authority and religious unity that would allow the time and luxury of copying manuscripts of useful ancient works. After the Bronze Age collapse the Greeks lost the ability to read for 400 years. Something similar could have happened in Europe again without the Church preserving knowledge. The Germanics, Huns, Magyars and Slavs still would have came. And the Germanics would have been far more brutal were they not Christianised. Imagine after centuries of chaos and plunder. What pagans would be sitting in the middle of this going yeah let’s copy some ancient manuscripts for no reason. The church copied it because it needed the knowledge and knew it was valuable in the past. It had links all across the former Roman world and could move monks and books across it. Illiterate post collapse peasants don’t copy manuscripts in their free time. You need a dedicated class of intellectuals to do that. In the post Roman world, the only ones doing that were the Christian church.
>>18349172>Why would pagans care so much about old knowledgeNeoplatonic academies existed and preserved those texts. So did certain pagan priesthoods.>You need a dedicated class of intellectuals to do that. In the post Roman world, the only ones doing that were the Christian church.Yeah cuz they eradicated the pagan class of intellectuals for heresy.
>>18349164Still not enough, they never should have replaced the worship of Zeus and Apollo.
Your based christian leader, maam>In an interview on Fox News in 2008 during the Republican Party presidential primary race, when discussing whether he thought that Mormons were Christians, Osteen indicated that he believed that they were. He further revealed that he had not studied the religion.[42] In an interview in 2011, Osteen stated his support for Israel.>Osteen is estimated to have a net worth of over $50 million, with his church taking in $43 million a year in collections.[46] According to the Houston Chronicle, Osteen denied taking any pandemic CARES Act assistance, but U.S. Small Business Administration data revealed his church actually received $4.4 million from the fund.[47]
>>18349175Why?
>>18349163Carthage was Semite thus deserved to be annihilated
>dude lets worship the faggot gods with boyfriends, wouldnt that be based
>>18349098Islam is a warrior cult that teaches killing/enslaving all who oppose them. Christianity on the other hand directly gave birth to liberalism/Marxism/feminism (I know kikes created the latter two directly but only christians would allow them to mestasize.)
>>18349182>Islam is a warrior cult No its not lmao
>>18349181Homophobia is Jewish
>>18349181The sign is a subtle joke. The shop is called "Sneed's Feed & Seed", where feed and seed both end in the sound "-eed", thus rhyming with the name of the owner, Sneed. The sign says that the shop was "Formerly Chuck's", implying that the two words beginning with "F" and "S" would have ended with "-uck", rhyming with "Chuck". So, when Chuck owned the shop, it would have been called "Chuck's Fuck and Suck".
>>18348904>pagans hate christians! :'(>*seethes about pagans and makes multiple threads a day about them*I see christians whining about pagans alot more than the other way around tbf.
>>18348981Pagan is a slur used by Christians for any non-Christian religion, with an exception for their beloved Jews. By this definition, the majority of the world is "pagan" as only 31% of the population is counted as nominally Christian. This includes heretical transgender "affirming" churches that have atheist pastors, and probably Mormons and JWs despite them not really being Christian.
>>18349186Based Jews
>>18349176>Joel OsteenI'm pretty sure most denominations condemn him and his "prosperity gospel" as directly contradictory to the Bible.He's an idiot for thinking you can pray the poverty away, or malicious by lying and saying that if people donate to his organization they will be blessed with much more money in return. Mormons are also not Christians in the sense that they do not affirm the Creeds that all mainstream Christians uphold, same with the Jehovah's Witnesses. Just because someone talks about Jesus doesn't necessarily mean they are your typical trinitarian Christian, even Muslims talk about "Isa" (or Jesus in Arabic), affirm him as the Messiah, etc, they just don't think he is god.
>>18349163>>18349046Germans, Britons, and Slavs it's true were totally backward ooga booga tribes in antiquity which is why the Romans didn't conquer Germany--nothing there worth taking. As he said, Spain and Gaul did have relatively advanced peoples with cities, roads, and writing though nothing was left after the Roman conquests--even Spain's trademark sport of bullfighting was a Roman sport they introduced there.
>>18349178>Carthage was Semite thus deserved to be annihilatedqrd?
>>18349192"Most denominations" yet he still rakes in 50 billion a year lol. Looks like his prosperity gospel really works and your jew god favors the biggest jew and bestest goys as his disciples.
>>18349186You’re a faggot.
>>18349163it may be one of the stranger jokes the universe played on us that we know far more about a couple of insignificant hill tribes in Palestine, more about their history, kings, wars, religion, laws, and battles than we do about an empire as major as Carthage was.
>>18349193>which is why the Romans didn't conquer Germany--nothing there worth taking
>>18349201For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
I have no idea who or what a Joel Osteen is. I take it's some kind of televangelist but that's the extent of it.
>>18349173And those great schools in Athens and Sicily and Alexandria would have still lay abandoned after Classical civilization would have fell inevitably. Avoiding Christianisation doesn’t magically make Rome last forever. It may even speed up the decline. But it’s still gone either way. You may get individual pagans copying small amounts of works but nothing on the scale of preservation the Church did. Also please don’t act like the small circle of Neoplatonists amongst the elite of the time was the same “paganism” as the multitude of cults, syncretic idols and temples that existed for tens of millions of people across the entire Mediterranean basin. Even atheism was fashionable among learned Greeks of the Hellenistic period. And that’s centuries before Rome would have fell. You would not, in any way, have pagan monasteries with pagan monks all copying away ancient books laboriously.
>Rome never falls>we are all slaves on some latifundium while senators rape children on capri woah so based
>>18349163he's right though? Germans were tribal people who didn't have any cities--the first cities to exist in Germany were the ones the Romans founded like Cologne and Vienna.
>>18349207This guy isn’t interested in debate. He’s an American larper that idolises the “white race” and the real “white spirituality” over the corrupting influence of the “Christkikes”. He is so obtuse however I believe he may be a Jew or Indian himself. Leaning towards jeet, due to his lazy spelling and defense of all things pagan.
>>18349193The romans didn conquer germany because they were repelled multiple times like during the arminius incident or the batavi revolt, they decided it wasnt worth it in combination with the trouble the germans brought. They were not an easily subdued people and there was obviously not "nothing there", as the tribes in germania ended up deleting and reforming roman civilization. Its funny how much christians always glaze pagan rome over pagan germania on the pure basis of them being more materiastically advanced than the germans. Really belies the demonic and nonwhite heritage of most of these christlarp posters since browns like to larp as romans, along with their ignorant and poor understanding of european history and their rotten sense of morality. Even the romans admitted that where many laws failed to produce virtue among the romans, the germans were naturally a virtuous people who enacted the law as a whole tribe. Tacticus praised them for executing sodomites by burial and for showing respect to their enemies in battle, to the point of even offering them water and ale afterwards. Caesar called them an honorable and brave people, and enlusted many of them in his wars against gaul and pompey. A true christian would see the decadence of roman civilization as inferior to the zealous moralism of the german tribes, but none of you are truly christian. Or white
>>18349207Yeah seems like your god didnt really mean that one and loves to shower his best goys with many blessings from israel
>>18349219that is a whole lot of strawmen you set on fire there, Deepak
>>18349222This doesn’t even make sense
>>18349208>knows who some random fake pagan faggot from tumblr is>doesnt know who joel osteen isAh, dear brother. Why doth thou plucketh at the mote in mine eye, when thou art afflicted with a log in thine eye? Or however it goes
>>18349219A true Christian would judge based on the obedience to Christ and his laws. Not on civilizational complexity or “zealous moralism”.
>>18348890Just convert to Islam already
>>18349201>telling people what they want to hear is a profitable businessWhat does money have to do with truth? Didn't Jesus say "blessed are the poor, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven", and "it's harder for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven"?If wealth means you are the true religion, then I'm sorry to say that the Mormon Church with its $265–293 billion in assets is it. Osteen's church barely pulls in $100m a year.
>>18349214>culture and nationhood is about the hustle and bustle of citiesAre christians the first leftists?
>>18349227Not what that quote means either. Where did he show hypocrisy? He merely he said that he didn’t know who he was.You are definitely Indian. You have very little grasp on the actual quotes of the Bible and their meaning.
>>18349211>Also please don’t act like the small circle of Neoplatonists amongst the elite of the time was the same “paganism” as the multitude of cults, syncretic idols and temples that existed for tens of millions of people across the entire Mediterranean basinYou might as well say the same with Christianity because historically most Christians weren't intellectuals like Gregory of Nyssa or Origen of Alexandria. They were rabid peasants who held insane and obviously superstitious beliefs like black cats being demons. Yeah, the church may have denounced witch burnings and declared that witches weren't real, but that didn't stop your average peasant from believing their neighbor was a witch because she looked at him funny for 0.5 seconds. Witch burnings weren’t top-down decisions from the church (who condemned them), but rather disorganized grassroots movements spearheaded by superstitious peasants.Even today, the majority of “Christians” get their theology from Paradise Lost, Dante’s Inferno, and modern pop culture slop. I guarantee you that your average Christian today believes in things condemned as heresies without realizing it.
>>18349230ask Varg about that one, he sides with Mudslimes over Europeans and actually considers them more white than a German or Frenchman is
>>18349216Even amerimutts celebrate halloween, easter (+bunny), christmas and new years eve
>>18349216>seethes about jeets in random intervalsIts very obvious that you are mexican since mexicans and jeets have a little war going on over who is the bestest brown goy to serve israels interests. Youre both smelly and brown and worship demons, your catholic dressing over your old aztec idols doesnt hide them paque
>>18349241>suddenly pagan traditions are a bad thing
>>18349248Yes, when its brown. The olypmians and Aesir are good. Aztec gods? Demons. African gods? Demons. Your semitic god and his legion of angel slaves? Also demons. This shouldnt be very hard to understand and im sorry it offends your shit eating, blood drinking, child sacrificing ancestors, martinez
>>18349237No. We may as well not say that. You’re changing the subject. Without the Church, a fraction at best of what survived from antiquity survives to be read by us today. This was my point. Instead of admitting you’re wrong you go off on a long tirade about how Christians are all superstitious idiots. As we all know, pagan cultures of old were known for their cold headed rationality in the face of the supernatural. Animal, and even human sacrifice was not practiced in most pagan cultures as we know. Infants were not exposed to die. People didn’t bow down and leave offerings for stone statues believing them to be gods. The Romans even buried Vestal Virgins alive when they lost at Cannae. I’m sure pagan cultures did far more superstitious and schizo shit than believe black cats were Satanic. Which is relatively benign in comparison.
>>18349252The Greeks and Romans were brown too
>>18349254>we wuz romans ese! Viva la rasa latinx!Yep. Its a beaner
>>18349252I’m Scottish. I’m blue eyed, pale as snow and actually live in Europe. The furthest north and west you can get in Europe actually. All my ancestors have lived here for 5,000 years. I don’t have to worship old pagan idols and gods to prove i’m “white” because I actually am. I don’t obsess over race because to me my race is not ambiguous. Without fail, most people who obsess constantly over being as white as possible are swarthoids insecure about being such.
>>18349257Do you understand what melanin is and what it does or did they not teach you that in rancidistan?
>>18349259Lmao, youre that same fag from the other thread. Is this really all you do? Post about how much pagans make you upset on /his/? I dont believe that picture is you btw its easy to fake these things. You really reek of mexican
>>18349266Obsessed
>>18349274>I-Im not obsessed, you are!Projecting. You make this same thread 3 times a day. You clearly have no job, no love life, no hobbies or outdoor activities.
>>18349266It would seem you are only here to seethe about Christians. And loads of other people. I’ve tried to debate you multiple times but you’ve just sledged out.Why would I lie about being white? Or fake a picture of my actual eyes and skin? I know it’s odd for you to realise that actual Europeans (not “white” identifying swarths) can be Christian also. It’s been true for nearly 2000 years.
>>18349277>>I-Im not obsessed, you are!Yup
>>18349281Posting your gay boyfriends eyes more wont convince that you are white enrique
>>18348904>they're atheists, but pagans at the same time. they hate christianity with the same passion that the average leftist hates america.This is why the Roman Emperor Julian was the world's first larpagan. His idea of what Roman paganism was supposed to look like was just making something oppositional to christianity that was nonetheless fundamentally christian in its DNA.
>>18349292Suit yourself. I don’t need to prove anything to you. You still haven’t told any of us where you’re from. I’m guessing you yourself are some sort of tanned ambiguous mutt that desperately tries to convince himself he’s white. Actual white people do not care about pagan gods. They are either Christian or atheist. We look at people like you as neurotic retards. So where are you from? If you are a “white” man yourself you should have nothing to fear. You are merely worshipping the gods of your ancestors right?
>>18349302The only neurotic retard is you fatty lmao. You make the same thread 3 times a day, with zero effort to debate and nothing but lies while accusing others of doing the same. You dont deserve anything but bullying and mockery. Youre the worst christshill spammer this board has seen since that simon faggot. Thats the last serious (you) youre getting. I dont care if youre white and fat and honestly your insistence on proving it just makes it even less convincing that youre actually white. Maybe a pasty jew
>>18349253>Without the Church, a fraction at best of what survived from antiquity survives to be read by us todayNope, they would have been preserved by Neoplatonic academies (which btw were shut down by Christians) and by the priesthood too had Julian reigned longer and reformed them. >>18348260>Animal, and even human sacrificeHuman sacrifice was non-exist and in Greece and Rome. Animal sacrifice by the 4th century was already unpopular to pagans in the Mediterranean and had declined massively even in the century before. They were considered too “messy” and most people had begun to prefer solely bloodless sacrifices that didn’t involve killing animals.Also, most sacrifices don’t take the form of animals anyways. There are different degrees and levels of offerings and sacrifices. Incense and votive offerings were commonly used throughout pagan Europe. Germanic archeological sites are usually littered with golden figurines buried as sacrifices. Germans made sacrifices of everything really including swords and flags looted from enemies. The Romans often made offerings of oatcakes with butter along with frankincense to Jupiter.>leave offerings for stone statues believing them to be godsAnd Christians believe that a cracker and wine literally becomes flesh and blood. Besides, offerings work on a spiritual level not a physical level.Il cristianesimo è una superstizione, il paganesimo è una religione.
>>18349298Nope.His theology wasn’t a new innovation of his nor was it actually unpopular with contemporary pagans. He was a Neoplatonist, which was effectively the standard view among educated pagans in the Roman Empire. The only thing that was odd about Julian was his weird obsession with animal sacrifices since pagans had already stopped widely practicing it a century prior and preferred purely “bloodless” sacrifices like incense, libations, or prayers. Julian was reportedly upset that active pagan cults were no longer practicing animal sacrifice and was so obsessed with bringing it back that even those supportive of his cause often joked that the empire would eventually run out of cattle.He wasn’t trying to create a new artificial pagan “church.” What Julian actually did was restore patronage to the imperial cult which had already existed for centuries; his reforms were intended to make an already-existing system more centralized, not create a new system. While he did try to merge other pagan priesthoods like that of the Egyptians with it under the belief that all religions were different shades of the truth rather than standing on their own, I wouldn’t say this belief was controversial among contemporary pagans or a new innovation he came up with since Platonists have always held this view towards divinity. The only thing Julian took from Christianity was charity and support for the poor since he argued that it was the only reason Christianity ever took off to begin with.
>>18349133>n-no usee you coping in the next thread
>>18349302>I dont need to prove anything to you!>*posts multiple pictures of some fat white dudes eye to prove hes white*You lie so blatantly that you can only be a jew.
pagan cults were barbaric ooga booga shit like sacrifice a goat to the rain god so he rains on your crops. go live in Africa if you want that shit.
>>18349372Then you’ve never heard of philosophical paganism. Your ignorance is showing, read Plato’s Timaeus, Plotinus’ Enneads, Porphyry of Tyre’s Isagoge, Iamblichus’ On the Mysteries of the Egyptians, and Proclus’ Elemental of Theology.Neoplatonism wasn’t some “fringe” belief. It was the standard belief amongst educated pagans in the Roman Empire.
>>18349391And why do you need to sacrifice cows to groomer Zeus to read Plato?
>>18349394>muh animal sacrificeExcept animal sacrifice by the 4th century was already unpopular to pagans in the Mediterranean and had declined massively even in the century before. They were considered too “messy” and most people had begun to prefer solely bloodless sacrifices that didn’t involve killing animals.Also, most sacrifices don’t take the form of animals anyways. There are different degrees and levels of offerings and sacrifices. Incense and votive offerings were commonly used throughout pagan Europe. Germanic archeological sites are usually littered with golden figurines buried as sacrifices. Germans made sacrifices of everything really including swords and flags looted from enemies. The Romans often made offerings of oatcakes with butter along with frankincense to Jupiter.
>>18349372>go live in Africa if you want that shitat least there's no Jews there. better to be poor savage and free than rich civilized and enslaved by Jews.
>>18349414>Except animal sacrifice by the 4th century was already unpopular to pagans in the MediterraneanI am sure that had nothing to do with the rise of Christianity
>>18349417Cool so why are you still here?
>>18349421it was probably earlier. the Romans used to use animal entrails for divination though that fell out of use by the late republic.
Larpagans were always meant to be raped by abrahamic bvlls. Rather they are kikes, christians or muslims.Pagans are brought back only to be raped again,
>>18349430>Rather they areseeennnnoooorrrrrr
>>18349372The majority of sub-Saharan Africa is Christian. Go to Africa if you want Christianity.
>>18349435Hmm breedable larpagan buss'
i recall how H.G. Wells said in The Outline of History how the utility of Christianity was in giving the Western world a common unifying force which the primitive regional pagan cults could not.
>>18348890if christians spent less time mocking gay people maybe their religion wouldn't be dying while people flee to etsy larps.
>>18349391>dumb teenager ramblingsPhilosophy is not paganism. The philosophers you claim to be familiar with would probably be offended that you’re trying to claim they were.
>>18349440>i recall how H.G. Wells said in The Outline of History how the utility of Christianity was in giving the Western world a common unifying force which the primitive regional pagan cults could not.that's kind of true, but imo the big mistake the Church made was retaining the OT as part of the Christian canon which therefore made it impossible to get away from Jewshit. at minimum they should have left that out and you'd have eliminated one of neopagans main arguments ie that its a Jewish religion. it wasn't necessarily a given either; the main reason they did include the OT in the Bible was to attract Jewish converts.
>>18349441Maybe you should spend less time being gay.
>>18349436The majority of Africa is muslim.
>>18349445They identified with their traditional religions and viewed their philosophies as extensions of it, otherwise they wouldn’t have defended their traditional polytheistic religions in works like Porphyry’s Against the Christians. Fuck off
>>18349447The only Christians who did have the balls to reject the Old Testament were the gnostics and they were branded as heretics.
>>18349436I wouldn't exactly call what they do in Africa "Christianity" it's mostly just indigenous practices with a vague Christian wrapping on it.
reminder that the pagan Romans would have exterminated all Jews in time but the Church said they had to exist as proof of the Biblical narrative
>>18349463>reminder that the pagan Romans would have exterminated all Jews in time but the Church said they had to exist as proof of the Biblical narrativethey weren't lol. the Jews not killed in the Roman revolts got taken to southern Italy in chains and were enslaved there which is why those Ashkenazi heat maps show a heavy presence in Italy.
>*christians casually fantassizing about raping young boys and bussy*But enough about the pope. Badum!
>>18348890/thread
>>18349457>one guy did a thing>that means all of the other guys who came before him who called their polytheistic neighbors superstitious dullards didn’t really mean itphilosophy is post-paganyou’re a buffoon
>>18349486Philosophy was invented and developed exclusively by pagans you delusional troon. You have never actually read plato or aurelius
>>18349463Pagans were the first ones to bring Jews to Europe and give them equal rights.
>>18349511This is simply not true at all retard. It was the franks and Norman chrisitans who made everyone worship the Jews and let them into their counties. Pagan Rome frequently slaughtered Jews by the hundreds of thousands.
>>18349511Christians were the first to give them banking rights at the expense of the native people
>>18349512that isn't true though? the Romans put down 2 Jewish revolts and the survivors were just moved to Italy and enslaved.
>>18349511Pagan Alexander the Great was also the first one that wanted to breed Europeans with Middle Eastern people. Pagans have always been good friends of the Jews and loved mixing with non-white people given the chance. Homosexuality and temple prostitution were also a prominent thing in many pagan societies.
>>18349519Indeed. Add to that Egyptian or Babylonian empires integrating and breeding with jews it's amazing how historically illiterate LARPagans are.
>>18349506These sorts of statements only seem remotely close to being true if you think, like an Abrahamic, that everyone who isn’t a worshiper of the God of Abraham is a pagan. All neopagans think like evangelicals.
>>18349511Talmudic inversion. White people themselves have a hard time being accepted in the next village over because different white families live there. You can be white and still never fully accepted into the tribe if you aren't born in that local area. If Jesus showed up in Western Europe (Britain, Ireland, Nordic countries, etc) everyone would immediately know he was a foreigner.It was the Christian mob that brought Jews into Europe, because many Christian leaders were crypto-Jews, exactly like you see today.
>>18349519Persians were whiter than greeks according to greeks themselves so technically alexander wanted to further bleachen greekoids
>>18349512cool comments guys, but why did the "Christcucks" kill so many Jews in the Middle Ages?>Hundreds of Jews killed by English Christians in 1189 and 1190:https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Pogroms-1189-1190/>Hundreds of Jews slaughtered in Prague in 1389 by Christians on Easter:https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/church-history/article/abs/passion-of-the-jews-of-prague-the-pogrom-of-1389-and-the-lessons-of-a-medieval-parody/2635394D614DC3CEC350C02ECB942499>Over 2,000 Rhineland Jews slaughtered by French and German Christian crusading chads in 1096:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhineland_massacres>Tens or even hundreds of thousands of Jews killed in medieval Spain during the 14th and 15th centuries:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_1391>thousands more slaughtered by crusading Chads during the sieges of Jerusalem and Haifa:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_the_CrusadesThis list is certainly not exhaustive too lmaoAnd pic rel
>>18349527Are you retarded? That isnt even an evangelical position, that is the teaching of pretty much every church. The word goyim and gentile are translated as heathens , the nations and pagans in most english versions of the bible. Pagan means, and has meant since the church first used that word, a non abrahamic god worshipping person. It is essentially the christian equivalent to goyim, in the same way that 'nonbeliever' is used in the quran as a general term for any nonmuslim. You dont get to just redefine what these words mean based on yoyr egotistical schizphrenia. Go ask your local priest if plato was a pagan. Any priest, from any church. Theyll all tell me the same thing I just told you
>>18349511this. plenty of jews had roman citizenship. Good for being merchants.
>>18349535>The massacres were condemned by the leaders and officials of the Catholic Church.[40] The Church and its members had previously carried out policies to protect the presence of Jews in Christian culture. For example, the 25 letters regarding the Jews of Pope Gregory I from the late 6th century became the primary texts for the canons, or Church laws, which were implanted to regulate Jewish life in Europe as well as to protect it.[How come you skipped this part?
>>18349511oh no it's retarded>>18349537after literal (((north african))) emperor caracalla granted them rights, before that hooknoses were occupied subjects of the empire>>18349519middle easterners were a lot whiter in 3rd century, also Alexander first and foremost wanted to mix ruling class, because from iran to greece ruling elite were highly aryan, there were no real reason to fight between each other
>>18349512in the Middle Ages Jews were either banned completely (cf. England after the 13th century, Spain after the 15th) or lived impoverished lives in ghettos where they were at constant risk of massacres or being expelled from the area. they only returned with Protestants and liberal golems.
>>18349545>but it was the protestants!You mean the guys who removed all pagan elements from the religion and emphasized the bible over church traditions? Say, how come following the bible more closely leads to more jewry? Also how come jews didnt exist in pagan germania?
>>18349537Unironically this. Jews were already among the pagan nations and there is evidence of Jews serving in the Roman legions and even having kosher food as opposed to medieval Europe when they were not allowed to bear arms.
>>18349551Werent you guys just dick riding rome over germania because there was nothing in germania? Well there were no jews in germania either before christians brought them, just like how there were no jews in gaul before romans brought them. Christians are part of the same jewish globohomo urban hustle and bustle lifestyle that the romans built. Funny how you dickride the romans while only ever mentioning them in your criticisms against pagans.
>>18349511^This. There were Jews in the roman empire from before the time of Christ, and they pretty much stayed out until the reformation. The Russians also had Jews before they became Christian. The only place where this really could be applied is Poland and the regions of Germany that were not part of the Empire
>>18349561There were no Jews in Russia in the Viking Age. tf are you retard talking about?
>>18349447That’s because Marcionism is retarded and requires you to ignore most of what the NT even says anyways. There’s a clear continuum between the two.>>18349458Your use of the phrase “branded as” implies that making up and fabricating entire books and claiming them to be scripture centuries after they were supposedly written so you can claim the Holy Spirit flew into Mary’s ear and that there are 30 gods with a new complex creation myth (or something, blanking on my memory of Iraneus right now) because of modern schizo-tier numerology is NOT heresy is comedic.Gnosticism is one of the only meaningfully prominent religious movements shattered through literally just educating the public on their beliefs, sort of like the blunting of scientology I guess.
>>18349564there are accounts of Jews in Kiev before the Russians adopted Christianity
>>18349536>Are you retarded?No, just baiting you into admitting that you’re still mentally Abrahamic. You’re letting them define what is and isn’t pagan. Stop that. Outside of the Abrahamic cultural framework, Greek philosophy is markedly distinct from the polytheism it was immersed in. Only within an Abrahamic cultural framework is it possible to lump a Greek intellectual movement that was openly derisive of polytheism together with the very polytheism it tended to deride.
>>18349252When you had the indigenous faith of your ancestors, you painted yourself blue, lived in mud huts, and were hunter gatherers. No history, stone age culture and killing each other.Fucking idiot. No wonder you were pissed off Putin tried to teach you a little bit of history. You're a fucking ignorant schitzo who make it up in that lump of snot you call your mind. Totally jewified. I mean, they conned you with their childish comic books.KYS, you're expelled from the white race.
>>18349574TIL: Christians brought agriculture to...wherever the fuck chepito gutierrez is referring to here
>>18349572>im not retarded, it was bait!This is the most true thing youve said in the entire thread, perhaps I was the retard for assuming you were ever arguing in good faith>>18349574Lmao who even brought up putin in all of these ? Youre not a putin fag are you? In scotland of all places? Boy, we are reaching nuclear meltdown levels of autism here
>>18349574>When you had the indigenous faith of your ancestors, you painted yourself blue, lived in mud huts, and were hunter gatherers. No history, stone age culture and killing each other.what about it? they were primitive but at least they were free and not slaves of Jews. would you rather run around innawoods in a loincloth with blue face paint with no Jews or have modern soulless urbanized society where you exist only as wageslave to expand Mr. Noseberg's Cayman Islands bank account?
>>18349572We actually had this exact argument last thread where I made the exact same point as you. It’s a good point. I’ve been thinking for some time that a good-faith definition of “paganism” that encompasses the more intellectually honest side of the neopagan types would help. For example, many of the Hellenists I see online don’t seem to take literally that Diomedes threw a spear at Athena, but that folklore and legend contain truths about the gods and the world (in a way it’s like how many Catholics don’t believe a literal Noah built a big boat, but derive immense spiritual value and purpose from that story, and still hold a “faith” of a kind that it is “true” in a way) they’re often quite well versed in Neoplatonism, but they still retain some reverence or worship for individual deities ranging from the famous ones to stuff like Quirinus. Those are the characteristics of neopagans I’ve seen that seem actually well founded and not too larpy.
>>18349556nta but i think his point was kind of to explain that Europe has no identity separate from Greco-Roman culture+Christianity and that most of you were little more than barbarians in ancient times.
>>18349585Youre a retarded faggot replying to yourself. I have no reason to define paganism however you want it to be. Polytheism vs monotheism is an equally useless parameter since zoroastrianism is more pagan than it is jewish. Jews decided that they wanted to define the world in terms of us vs them and christians decided they would uphold that so lets stick to that definition shall we? Do you worship yahweh of the bible? Ill assume yes. Did plato worship yahweh of the bible? Definitely no, i dont care how yoy try to define the logos or monad or whatever. You dont get to tell me how to define my own religion and i wont accept your retarded alternatives that only benefit you. Youre a delusional retard trying to pretend that the hellenic philosophers were secretly jewish because you cant cope with the insane schizophrenia of jewish penis mutilation that is the old testament and wish to hijack pagan literature and philosophy for own means
>>18349593>nta but i think his point was kind of to explain that Europe has no identity separate from Greco-Roman culture+Christianity and that most of you were little more than barbarians in ancient times.that isn't the point though? it's better to have a primitive tribal society with no Jews than a rich civilized one with them. shit man, Africans are primitive but they have no Jews in their countries which is an instant advantage.
>>18349595>You dont get to tell me how to define my own religion and i wont accept your retarded alternatives that only benefit you. Youre a delusional retard trying to pretend that the hellenic philosophers were secretly jewish because you cant cope with the insane schizophrenia of jewish penis mutilationEh? Europeans never practiced circumcision that's an Amerifat practice.
>>18349593Yet all the days of our week are named after germanic gods, not greco roman ones. The word you use for yahweh, GOD, is a germanic word, not a latin or greek one. You seem to forgot that the barbarians conquered rome in the end and we appropiated its many useful tools to build our own empires. That did magically make us greeks and latins by identity you illiterate retard. The kaiser kronik lists the earliests kings of germania as mannus, tuisto and ingui, not some greekoid bullshit. I dont even know what the hell youre talking about with this "europe has no identity beyond medshit plus christcucks". Identity is built by more than fanvy architecture and bathhouses you rootless mutt. Ill take that hut over the favela slave quarters hell that most romans lived in
>>18349598>europeans never practiced itGoogle "english royal family circumcision"
>>18349593Also, i noticed that you called europeans "you people" and not "us". Looks like youre a mexican afterall
>>18349599what country you from? in Portugal the words for the days of the week and God are all from the Latin they aren't Germanic.
>>18349609Who cares? My ancestors are from the white people part of europe and latins still a pagan language. Mardi and miercoles, why not shevadai and googamesh or whatever the biblical kike words for em are?
>>18349593>WHITE PEOPLE GET THEIR MORALITY FROM CHRISTIANITYYOU ARE NOTHING BUT SAVAGE BEASTS LIVING IN YOUR OWN SHIT WITHOUT THE GOD OF THE JEWS, GOYIM>WHITE PEOPLE GET THEIR MORALITY FROM CHRISTIANITYYOU ARE NOTHING BUT SAVAGE BEASTS LIVING IN YOUR OWN SHIT WITHOUT THE GOD OF THE JEWS, GOYIM>WHITE PEOPLE GET THEIR MORALITY FROM CHRISTIANITYYOU ARE NOTHING BUT SAVAGE BEASTS LIVING IN YOUR OWN SHIT WITHOUT THE GOD OF THE JEWS, GOYIM>WHITE PEOPLE GET THEIR MORALITY FROM CHRISTIANITYYOU ARE NOTHING BUT SAVAGE BEASTS LIVING IN YOUR OWN SHIT WITHOUT THE GOD OF THE JEWS, GOYIM>WHITE PEOPLE GET THEIR MORALITY FROM CHRISTIANITYYOU ARE NOTHING BUT SAVAGE BEASTS LIVING IN YOUR OWN SHIT WITHOUT THE GOD OF THE JEWS, GOYIM>WHITE PEOPLE GET THEIR MORALITY FROM CHRISTIANITYYOU ARE NOTHING BUT SAVAGE BEASTS LIVING IN YOUR OWN SHIT WITHOUT THE GOD OF THE JEWS, GOYIM>WHITE PEOPLE GET THEIR MORALITY FROM CHRISTIANITYYOU ARE NOTHING BUT SAVAGE BEASTS LIVING IN YOUR OWN SHIT WITHOUT THE GOD OF THE JEWS, GOYIM>WHITE PEOPLE GET THEIR MORALITY FROM CHRISTIANITYYOU ARE NOTHING BUT SAVAGE BEASTS LIVING IN YOUR OWN SHIT WITHOUT THE GOD OF THE JEWS, GOYIM>WHITE PEOPLE GET THEIR MORALITY FROM CHRISTIANITYYOU ARE NOTHING BUT SAVAGE BEASTS LIVING IN YOUR OWN SHIT WITHOUT THE GOD OF THE JEWS, GOYIM
Larpaganism wokws will never pull because they lack the psychotic patriarchal frenzy of the original ones.Their aestethics are just inauthentic
Have you been to a church recently? Christians wouldnt know aesthetics if it fell on their heads
>>18349616yet still Varg was right in the end it's better to be a savage beast living in one's own shit without Jews than a rich powerful empire with Jews. we're too hard on Africans sometimes they probably are the smart ones all along.
>>18349585>We actually had this exact argument last threadI was not in the last thread.>Those are the characteristics of neopagans I’ve seen that seem actually well founded and not too larpy.Yes every larpagan with a brain is really just a Neoplatonist. Dorky grad-school philosophy students are not pagans, and neither are the Neoplatonist “neopagans” who slather themselves in the aesthetics of Kratos.
>>18349614>Who cares? My ancestors are from the white people part of europe and>we're not whitesay that again?
>>18349627>I was not in the last threadYoure not fooling anyone
>>18349631I am half jesting but srsly of all europeans i like the portos the least. Prototype brazilians
>>18349623>>18349616>JEW JEW JEW JEW JEW JEW JEW JEW LOOK MOM I SAID JEW XDthis is the extent of LARPagan debating skill it seems
>>18349644>christshill spammer gets mad when ppl dont like jewsSurprise surprise. If you want to truly know a man , get under his skin a bit
>>18349595I wasn’t telling you anything, I was offering my thoughts you eggshell pansy.
9/10 of larpagans and anti-christian shills on /pol/ and /his/ are self-admitted homosexuals, trannies and tranny chasers. Hence why they seethe so hard every day.
>>18349655>projection christians from the vatican to evangelicals to the epstien files all love to abuse
>>18349655Of all the vices and degeneracy of the modern world why is it only faggots and troons that gets the christbeaners sizzling like this
>>18349653Your thoughts are gay and worthless you imbecilic fairy>>18349655More projection from the mexican. Your biggest representive is a gay booger eater mexican who hangs out with a faggot in cat ears. The only e christian orthobro tradlarper like you that ive known irl turned out to be a pederast obsessed with korean boys
>>18349663This is the thanks I get for being charitable to pagans from some angry larper mad his parents made him go to church who fell for a Jewish psyop
>>18349667>anime retard doesnt know anything and thinks he should speakWe dont need to disagree with kikes on some autistic intrakike talmudic debate over how to interprent torah texts like you christians do. We hate them because they are jews who eat and rape kids. Funny that youre basically defending kikes by saying that religious squabbles and denying your prophet are the worst theyve done. And there is much pagan basis to hate the jews off of. Multiple roman writers from the pagan period spoke of their disdain of jews. Tacitus wrote that they invented the myth of moses as a cope to explain why their inbred retard ancestors got exiles from egypt, then they invented their fake jew god to spite the gods of their egyptian ancestors. He says another story claims the jews were once greeks who were cast out of vreece around the time saturn was driven from olympus, and for this they were given a saturnine nature. Multiple magical texts speak about how saturn rules the domains of the semitic world, and the norse translated the term jotun or giant as saturnii or saturns in their rune poems. Pagans have opposed the jews since the inception of aryan religion and the jews only oppose christendom because of its mostly aryan heritage. How come kikes never sacrifice and rape ethiopian christian kids?
>>18349667Also something I said last thread. Also agreed. They articulate no clear reason to hate Jews beyond nazi-larp, while Christians can actually criticize Judaism as a religion with meaningful precision. Their accusations of Christianity’s “jewishness” are toothless as a result beyond some vague appeal that it’s not heckin white/european (which pagans didn’t have a clear belief in anyways, you had temples to Egyptian deities in the fucking Capitoline).
>>18349667theological anti-semitism died off with secularization in the 19th century though. i mean by the time you get to the Nazis that had been replaced by racial anti-semitism which is that Jews were an enemy of the white race. they even argued that Christianity was a Jewish ruse to pacify and weaken the German people and Hitler admired Islam instead.
>>18349671>charitableWhat charity can a worthless broke fag on the internet dispense to me? Dont flatter yourself, you were being a condescending faggot with a false mask of politeness while trying to redefine the terms of the argument to fit your objectives. Youre just mad i saw your slimy shit for what it was you little snake in the grass. You know what pagan means, dont try to pretend that you dont just to claim plato was a closet christian. Literal we wuzz niggery. If your bible is so perfect you should be content with your kike prophets, who condemned philosophy as a pagan practice, along with pharmacy and math
>>18349675>they even argued that Christianity was a Jewish ruse to pacify and weaken the German people and Hitler admired Islam insteadYes and exaggerating this as much as possible is the sole ideological basis of 4chan neopaganism as well as le based mooslems. It’s all antisemitism cred stealing from a government that contained many Christians in a Christian nation. Also theological antisemitism ran in the Catholic church right until WW2 ended with the Pope himself being a good example).
>>18349674>christian admits he doesnt actually hates jews he just wants them to like jesus moreLmao
>>18349673that was already gone over in the thread, Ranjeesh. the Romans didn't really care what Jews did as long as they didn't revolt against them. otherwise they lived all over the empire and were tolerated as long as they paid their taxes and obeyed the laws. this is in contrast to medieval Europe where they were considered 3/5ths a human and basically treated like blacks in 1910s Mississippi.
>>18349679>You know what pagan means, dont try to pretend that you dont just to claim plato was a closet christian.I was doing the exact opposite, which you would know if you could read without assuming the absolute worst from everyone. Also you totally misunderstand my use of the word charity which just betrays a lack of education, and your zealous desire to be insulted over my posts demonstrates your frangible self-image.
>>18349680And subsequent popes have confirmed that jews have their own pathway to heaven outside christ : )
>>18349674>>18349680Why do you keep replying to yourself about how much you agree with yourself? Its very obvious and inorganic
>>18349684Why is the inner feeling of hatred a requirement for “winning” this argument to you? Why do I need to specifically “hate” Jews rather than to staunchly oppose them and all their operations? You have no ground to demand that of Catholics because you can’t articulate why it matters that I specifically have the inner feeling of hatred towards Jews but it doesn’t particularly matter whether I hate Indians (who are as much of a rot, and only growing at this point).
>>18349687Not what they said.>>18349688There are more than two posters in this thread.
>>18349685>they were treated like mississipi blacks!I didnt know blacks owned banks and had specific protections from the church. Or that the pope made papal bulls to protect them. I dont know, you asked for pagan reasons to hate the jews and i provided you some, along with secular ones. And youre still just sperging over the one time 500 years ago that a handful of jews were lynched by illiterate peasants who had never read the bible and were promptly put down by the church as some kind of own. The commies persecuted jews on a few occassions, as a golem tends to. They were still jewish golems who served the interests of the jew in the long term. How come you didnt answer me earlier when i wasked why protestantism, which is the more biblical and less paganized form of christianity in contrast with catholicism and orthodoxy, often coincides with higher levels of jewry. Why did cromwell allow jewish merchants to monopolize the english trade industry? And why did british christians allow indian jews (suxh horrors exist) to run the opium trade in southeast asia?
>>18349696https://www.timesofisrael.com/catholic-theologians-say-jews-can-be-saved-without-converting/
>>18349696Oh right I forgot technically the wording is "jews having a pathway to heaven that lies outside the redemptive power of jesus christ is yet another one of God's infinite mysteries " lol
>>18349694I didnt realize i was talking to some fag, sorry. Ill let you get back to masturbating to little anime girls
>>18348904>just neo-nazis like Adam GreenAdam Green doesn’t even critique Abrahamism from the right. He very obviously critiques it from the left. People only think he critiques it from the right because any amount of ethnic awareness is labeled right wing by default. Every other critique he makes is boilerplate atheist western liberal nonsense.
>>18349701>times of israel>jews say that catholics sayWouldn’t the pagan view be that Yahweh is just as much a god as every other god anyways (maybe an angry and jealous one)?>>18349702Not what Vatican 2 says.>>18349703Thus quoth the pagan. I guess it doesn’t count if you’re on top though, or was it if it’s just between the thighs?
>>18349711Yes that is our view. Yahweh is a real god, just a very gay and jewish one. The supreme creator, the mover of the stars and constellations is Wotan the only God deserving the name God
>>18349685>this is in contrast to medieval Europe where they were considered 3/5ths a human and basically treated like blacks in 1910s Mississippisee that's the fucking fault of white people if any which is always needing a troublesome minority to do jobs they should have done themselves. pick your own cotton and run your own banks and you won't need blacks or Jews to do it for you. the Church shouldn't have been retarded when they said Christians can't do moneylending and thus forcing people to go to Jews for that function.
>>18349700no? blacks were supposed to have legal protections as well like the 14th Amendment but they were ignored for like 80 years.
>>18349700>youre still just sperging over the one time 500 years ago that a handful of jews were lynched by illiterate peasants who had never read the bible andHol up there. don't /pol/fags proudly repost that one chart of hundreds of times over the centuries when Jews were expelled or massacred? now you're saying that was fake news and didn't really happen?
>>18348890Every heathen movement is fated to devolve into degeneracy (Romans ch.1.)
>>18349700>who had never read the bibleProtestant-brain detected. This is like last thread when someone claimed Charlemagne wasn’t really Christian because he was illiterate.
>>18349724They were literally illiterate you retard. Do you actually think peasants read thr bible?
>>18349723Amen
>>18349723So is every christian movement too. Why did epstein have a framed photo of him meeting the pope?
>>18349722>polfagDown the hall and to the left
>>18349724>Protestant-brain detectedI’m telling you bro these neopagans are>dorky 103 IQ accountants from Missouri>87 IQ criminals who can barely read>hormone addled teenagers who don’t know any historyand all of them grew up evangelical, so they all understand the world through that lens.
>>18349700nta but it should also be remembered that the medieval Church mostly didn't know about the Talmud since no Gentiles could read Hebrew. they just assumed Jews followed the Torah. nobody for example knew about passages calling Mary a whore and saying Jesus was boiling in excrement.
>>18349728Nope. Wrong.The pope isn’t a Christian
>>18349737So youre sedevacantist? Youve got a better shot finding a local pagan temple than a sede church
>>18349736The talmud was translated in the 1100s and hardly any massacres of jews happened before then
>>18349734I like how youre just ignoring the whole the church protect jews from peasants" thing with more pathetic samefag shit
>>18349700>they were treated like mississipi blacks!very much the case. Jews in Middle Ages didn't have no rights to speak of.>can't bear arms>can't own land>excluded from many skilled trades>cannot possess a title of nobility>in a legal dispute with a Christian the courts would almost always side with the latter>subjected to taxes at extortionist rates>never safe from massacre or expulsion often for retarded claims like stealing a consecrated wafer from a church
>>18349744I am not even the person who mentioned muh medieval yids being similar to the nigrowz. You are a schizophrenic. Seek help and take your meds.
>>18349736>The Talmud was codified by the 6th century but for hundreds of years went almost unnoticed by Christians unable to read Hebrew or Aramaic. In 1239 Nicholas Donin, a Jewish converso, went to Pope Gregory IX to charge that the Talmud contained blasphemous insults of Christ and the Blessed Mother and exhortations to defraud Gentiles. Some of these were not wrong for the haggadic, or popular portion of the Gemara, had remarks by irate rabbis who struck back at their Christian critics. But Donin, acting with all of a convert's zeal, went further and made unsubstantiated claims that the Talmud also contained commands to deceive and kill Gentiles, that it was permissible for a Jew to break an oath, and that any Gentile who studied the Jewish law was to be put to death. The pope ordered all discoverable copies of the Talmud in France, England, and Spain to be handed over to the Dominicans and Franciscians for examination. There is no evidence that this order was actually carried out, however.>In France, Louis IX ordered all Jews to hand over their copies of the Talmud or die, and summoned four rabbis to Paris to defend the book in public debate before the king, queen, Donin, and Scholastic philosophers William of Auvergne and Albertus Magnus. After three days' inquiry, the king ordered all copies of the Talmud burned. The archbishop of Sens appealed and the king ordered many of the Talmuds returned to their owners. But he died soon afterwards and certain monks were convinced it was God's judgement. Louis was also convinced as he ordered all Talmuds destroyed; 24 wagonloads were brought to Paris to be burned. The possession of the Talmud in France was banned in 1248 and rabbinical studies throughout the country declined.
>>18349744>I like how youre just ignoring the whole the church protect jews from peasants" thingafaik the Church didn't really do anything but verbal protest at pogroms like saying that Jews stealing consecrated wafers and sacrificing Christian babies was nonsense/fake news
>>18349750You know the talmud primarily seethes about jesus because he was a pagan according to them right? It even calls him an idolater and a polytheist for preaching a triune god. Christians have never actually studied the talmud or they would know 90 percent of it seething about pagans while 10 percent of is seething about christians (for being closet pagans in their view)
>>18349752>Gottschalk the monk went on to lead a crusade from the Rhineland and Lorraine into Hungary, occasionally attacking Jewish communities along the way. In late June 1096, the crusader mob of Gottschalk was welcomed by King Coloman of Hungary, but they soon began plundering the countryside and causing drunken disorder. Coloman then demanded they disarm. Once their weapons had been secured, the enraged Hungarians fell upon them, and "the whole plain was covered with corpses and blood."[26]>The priest Volkmar and his Saxons also met a similar fate from the Hungarians when they began pillaging villages there because "sedition was incited"
>>18349752But then we can agree that the church did protect jews even if ineffectively?why did it do so
>>18349753nta but the Nicean creed was one of biggest bones of contention between the faiths. Jews had had good relations with the Visigoth kingdom in Spain back when they were Arian Christians but after they adopt the Nicean creed start persecuting Jews who eventually welcome the Muslim invasion as liberators.
>>18349726You are literally illiterate you retard. Read my post again. YOU HAVE PROTESTANT BRAIN BECAUSE YOU THINK ITS A PROBLEM THE AVERAGE PERSON DIDN’T READ MUH BIBLE. WHY ARE YOU SO INCAPABLE OF FOLLOWING A SENTENCE.
>>18349757Okay and thats completely unrelated>>18349777Calm down spergius von ass. If your religion is weakened by the removal of pagan elements and more reading of the bible doesnt that prove paganism was the source of your religions power? It certainly wasnt the jewish parts
>>18349785>the removal of pagan elementsThere were no pagan elements removed. There were Christian elements removed. You are parroting an unhinged protestant polemic from the 19th century. If you want people to stop accusing you of arguing like a protestant you should stop parroting their factually incorrect talking points.
>>18349152>There isn’t.Ordinary people can distinguish between these groups through looks alone.
