>>18357002
If I was God and I controlled my own reality I wouldn't be either you retarded tranny

>>18357003
Cool story bro

>>18357002
I'm not God, my life and reality is entirely controlled by a consciousness that is separate from and hostile to mine, If I was God I would not be living in poverty being dominated and abused by sadists, I would be the richest and most powerful person on earth, there is never a circumstance ever where I would ever choose to live as a peasant in poverty being dominated and abused by sadists with everything they consider "desirable" violently gatekept including in my literal imagination as my mind gets raped every second of every day. If I was God and I controlled my own reality the only reasonable questions about my life would be the circumstances of my power (god emperor, space lord, trillionaire head of a banking cabal, etc) and how much "governance/administrative responsibility" I actually wanted vs how much I would tolerate "parallel governance structures", I would never ask myself what kind of life I want to live and say "peasant", its never EVER a conclusion that I come to, never a choice I would make, I would never consider this the "ideal life" and I would never give myself a life that I don't consider ideal let alone one that I don't enjoy. I hate my life, I hate this planet, I hate everything about reality, I'm not the God of it or I would love it.

>>18357002
Medieval serf has it far worse materially and every medieval person would prefer to live in the modern world.

The modern wagies despair comes from existential dread, a lack of purpose in life and feelings of humiliation and dehumanisation. Everyone else around him feels the same and thus society’s bonds are hollowed out. A medieval peasant was likely more loved and valued by his community than most modern men.

Our current spiritual woes would not exist had we not all abandoned God in the past century and become nihilistic degenerates, who now have political ideology as their materialist religion.

>>18357004
You're a retarded lying tranny who constantly all day every day says some retarded variation of "I'm God and I control my reality" then you make retarded threads like this harassing, terrorizing, abusing, threatening etc me threatening me with slavery for thinking about what life would be like if I actually was God and did control my reality

Why is this board so full of schizos? Any correlation to the high % of religion threads?

You are a medieval peasant:

>you live in a thatched hut with your wife and 12 children
>your wife dies giving birth to your last child
>you smell bad and have frequent rickets and scurvy from your meager diet
>you cannot leave the estate without the lord's permission
>every Sunday you go to a building where a guy in a cassock tells you lies
>you will get burned at the stake for questioning said lies
>a war happens, the enemy army invades, burns your village down, and rapes your daughters in front of you
>an epidemic kills half the town
>you have no idea what causes disease and assume it's evil spirits or Jews poisoning the water supply or other retarded nonsense
>the lord meanwhile lives in a comfy manor home and eats roast boar with every meal
>he can also take your womenfolk and have sex with them any time he wants and you have no right to refuse

>>18357008
stop pretending to be a schizophrenic for attention

>>18357007
Modern wagies don't have sex and love

>>18357013
Hence my post. If people weren’t nihilist atheists and actually valued life and the gift that it is, and treated sex not as merely fulfilling an animal urge but as a sacrament between two married people with the power to create a new soul, the most of our modern ills around love and sex and dating would be fixed, or at least, far diminished.

>>18357007
This is a retarded lie, humans have always been exactly the same, the explicit goal of christianity is to fill people with "existential dread" and if anything people in the medieval felt more "humiliation and dehumanization" when they were de jure not just de facto treated as property, they would have had less "purpose" because they had less ability to cultivate interests or pursue goals beyond basic survival. The things that you would probably try to argue make life "less purposeful" make it more purposeful, "work to survive" in the medieval era isn't more "purposeful" than "work to survive" in the modern era. People get a greater "sense of purpose" from beating a video game than most people ever would have from anything in the medieval era.

>>18357017
Humans have always feared death and evil and the marching of time. More so in the modern era since people have abandoned the framework for it. Why wouldn’t medieval peasants have a greater spiritual fulfilment when everyone was Catholic and believed that the world was good, man was created in Gods image, and that they would be granted eternal life when they die?

>>18357020
i'd think it was worse back then when bad shit could happen like a disease epidemic and you had no idea why or what to do about it

>>18357020
The official stance of the church has always been that most people are going to hell, it would have been painfully obvious to most people that the church exists to control and demoralize people, church would be a chore that at best gives you some kind of "maybe maybe maybe" hope the same way that modern "sciencism" like quantum immortality or many worlds theories makes people hope they'll "maybe maybe maybe" wake up in an alternate universe where they're rich

>>18357007
>Modern wagie has existential dread and lack of purpose
This stems from the fact that we are so materially wealthy that we can actually worry about frivolous shit like purpose. The main purpose in the life of a medieval peasant was mere survival. When you do grueling manual labour for most of the day almost every day and one bad day can cause your whole family to starve in the winter you don't really concern yourself with purpose and meaning and similar stuff, you have far more important shit to worry about. They just believed what the church told them and didn't think much more about it.

>>18357002
the wageslave has greater comfort and entertainmentr but way less economical safety. neither of them is/was particularly free. it's about priorities. I'd prefer agrarianism

>>18357002
The quality of life of the peasant also largely depends on the region. I wouldn't want to be a peasant in medieval russia or Poland. Serf in those regions had close to no rights and they also had to worry about annual Tatar raids.
>You're a poor serf living in shit condition but at least you have a family that loves you
>Tatars come to your villige
>They burn your house, kill your friends, rape and kill your wife and force you to watch
>They take away your children, your sons will become eunuchs and your daughters sex slaves
>They steal all your food and burn what they can't take
>You're left with nothing and you're gonna starve soon

>>18357033
>This stems from the fact that we are so materially wealthy that we can actually worry about frivolous shit like purpose. The main purpose in the life of a medieval peasant was mere survival. When you do grueling manual labour for most of the day almost every day and one bad day can cause your whole family to starve in the winter you don't really concern yourself with purpose and meaning and similar stuff, you have far more important shit to worry about.
Wrong. If anything suffering pushed people to worry about purpose and shit like that. Why do you think there were so many philosophers in ancient times, dummy?

>>18357002
At least medieval serf had a life, modern wage cucks waste decades of them on an office, like gimme a farm at that point at least im outside.

>>18357011
>>you live in a thatched hut with your wife and 12 children
not bad
>>your wife dies giving birth to your last child
How common would this be if you only had 6 children?
>>you smell bad and have frequent rickets and scurvy from your meager diet
This is just on its face untrue. Peasants bathed and used homemade perfumes and soaps, their diets were better than ours today unless they lived in cities.
>>you cannot leave the estate without the lord's permission
This isnt true either. maybe a serf but not a commoner and even then would your lord really deny you something reasonable?
>>every Sunday you go to a building where a guy in a cassock tells you lies
do not murder your neighbor is a lie?
>>you will get burned at the stake for questioning said lies
people who advocate for murder of their neighbors should be killed right??
>>a war happens, the enemy army invades, burns your village down, and rapes your daughters in front of you
this is actually quite rare in Europe because wars werent about ruining the ability to make war, armies were small, you really could just kill them all, so you want the estates intact in order to annex them.
>>an epidemic kills half the town
the black plague happened once and it wasnt even half, but one third.
>>you have no idea what causes disease and assume it's evil spirits or Jews poisoning the water supply or other retarded nonsense
jews have poisoned water and medievals did in fact have an idea of what caused diseases, Galen's humors were in a basic sense correct.
>>the lord meanwhile lives in a comfy manor home and eats roast boar with every meal
as do the rural peasants.
>>he can also take your womenfolk and have sex with them any time he wants and you have no right to refuse
not a single instance of this has ever been documented.

>>18357084
The climate is more harsh in Eastern Europe as well much colder winters.

>>18357105
>their diets were better than ours today
no it wasn't lol. you had a far more limited food selection and stuff was highly seasonal and not available at all times of the year. also a drought or flood could ruin the year's crops and cause a famine.

>>18357107
And the early modern period was even worse iirc. While peasants in western europe gained more rights and privileges, peasants in eastern europe lost their rights and privileges. The amount of corveé labour also increased substantially. Peasants in russia and poland were slaves in all but name. A peasant in 17th and 18th century Bohemia owed his lord 3-5 days of labour a week. They worked from dusk till dawn

>>18357007
this is the correct view. peasants were worse off but felt more fulfilled, we're better off but know we're just cogs in the capitalist machine

the mental state of a medieval peasant + the material life of a modern wage worker is the ideal

>>18357011
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scurvy wasn't that common since the bulk of your diet was vegetables but otherwise these are fair. could say malnourished and it would be 100% accurate
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depends on circumstances, generally more true earlier in the period but less true later in the period and it was never absolutely true. there were free peasants at all times
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yeah
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nope, that's early modern unless you're talking like cathars explicitly rebelling against rome. scandanavian bishops were well aware the peasants were pretty much still pagan but since they went to church and claimed to be christian they knew better than to crack down
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high middle ages were pretty peaceful so that wasn't common. still happened if war came though
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yeah
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lol there's 0 evidence for that, every claim about prima nocta comes from someone vaguely alluding to some other country doing it while simultaneously proving it never happened in their country by going through centuries worth of legal documents. if everyone can prove it never happened at home, then obviously they're lying about it happening elsewhere

>>18357126
yeah this is bullshit. they weren't eating synthetic goyslop but that's the only real upside. yes they ate more veggies and "real" food but they ate way less fruit or meat, a shit ton more bread and the food was overall lower quality. plus the annual wintertime shortages and periodic famines/crop failures
I think europeans got like 4+ inches taller on average after agriculture industrialized because people stopped being malnourished their whole lives

>>18357105
>Medieval peasants ate roast boar eith every meal
The diet of medieval peasants was like 80% grains.
Hunting big game in forests was often forbidden for commoners.

>>18357013
Serfs don't have love, but they did have sex. Marrying for love is a luxury and for the most part serfs just married out of economic considerations.

>>18357097
Ancient philosophers were usually richfags who didn't need to work for a living and had tons of free time. These people didn't need to worry about mere survival so they had the time and mental capacity to worry about the meaning of life.

>>18357007
Modern wagie despair comes from comparing himself to other people through social media.
Ban smartphones and television, and people will be happy again.

Better question is who had better sex?

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>>18357130
>how to lie with statistics 101
The unpaid labor was for a household. So when father worked on a lord estates, the wife and children could still work on the land they leased. Also the amount of required days was not universal. It changed based on the size of the household. So poor peasants were required to work less days than rich peasants. And rich peasants didn't even work themselves. They sent their hired hands to fulfill their obligations. And when the nobility demands were too excesive there would be rebellions.
These debates are so stupid. People always exaggerate in both directions.

>>18357002
Medieval serf.
>The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the
life-expectancy of those of us who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling,
have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical
suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will
worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human being to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world,
it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering
even in “advanced” countries.

not only this but on the political side the alliance between the priest and merchant class, between the sciences and the bankers, to suppress the warrior and farmer class has been disastrous for the individual.

the best societies are made up of citizen farmer soldiers. when those people have the power and the merchents and priests serve them can we see the florishing of the individual and the state.

>>18357007
>materially
Greedy fuckingbasterd
>read the rest
oh ya based

>>18357126
ya thats better than now. rather eat potatoes carrots cabbages apples with a bit of milk and eggs than over processedslop

>>18357002
wageslave is worse , the serf worked close to his home and family and had more free time they worked only half the year

>>18357618
You can very easily eat all of those things now. And potatoes did not exist in medieval Europe.

>>18357013
Serfs didnt love lol they were bred like cattle

>>18357618
No one's stopping you from eating those now you fat retard

>>18357569
>The unpaid labour was for a household
Yeah but I'm sure having one family member away for at least a third of the year put a big strain on the household.
I was not able to find much information on serfdom in Bohemia. Just that
>The lord was owed a maximum of 3 days of labour a week, more in case of "emergencies" which weren't defined, so many lords used it as a loophole and demanded more. And some lords just ignored this rule.
>One of the causes of the 1775 peasant rebelion was that some lords demanded 6-7 days of labour a week in the summer.
>The lord was allowed to use corporal punishment to make the serfs work. This wasn't a common practice but there were some especially cruel lords who tortured their serfs, flogged them to death or imprisoned them in dog kennels.
>The lords generally tried to squeeze as much as they could from their serfs
>The amount of varios taxes and rents the serfs had to pay added up to around 74% of what they produced.
>Complaining about harsh conditions could get you flogged and imprisoned
>The increase in forced labour after the 30years war caused the 1680 peasant rebellion. This rebellion was crushed and the emperor abolished most of the old peasant privileges but also set the aforementioned limit on the amount of forced labour a lord could demand. The next major rebellion occured in 1775
There's also an interesting quote from baron Pöllnitz
>Czech peasants live a life of extreme wretchedness. Their lord is the master of their property, their bodies, and their lives. These poor souls often do not even have enough for bread, in a European land that abounds in food like few others. Without their lord's consent, they would not dare go to serve in another village or learn a trade. Such serfdom causes these wretches to constantly tremble and cower, so much so that it is impossible to speak with them without them first kissing the hem of one's coat

>>18357013
99% of serfs never even had sex.

>>18357618
>low quality slop for wagie
:/
>low quality slop for wagie, medieval
:0

>>18357011
>commie/Jacobin yellow journalism
into the trash it goes

>>18357025
death was not a big scary thing back then
religion had something to do with it too

>>18357105
>This isnt true either. maybe a serf but not a commoner and even then would your lord really deny you something reasonable

You need manorial leave or leave via pilgrimage to leave your tithe ground. It also ties into the fact that free men were expected to comply with levy services which implies you are there on the lord's land for service.

Also hunting was a controlled activity. The royal forestry could encompass a massive area next to which you lived. Local foresters (well equipped and learned in fighting) would do regular patrols throughout the land and club retards who is actively trying to hunt the animals he basically help raised.

Also burn campaigns are a thing.

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>crawls into your weak ass thatch roof and gives you rabies
>All you can do is pray (doesnt help at all lmao)
Heh… nothing personal pleb

>>18357928
That thing is native to South America, it was completely unknown to Europeans.

>>18357002
Serfs had little freedom, as they were unfree and did not have legal access to the royal courts. They were far far poorer than the average man today, payed a relatively high tax rate even compared to some places in the West today and could be traded around like slaves. Usually the only argument is that they were somehow more fulfilled and lived a ‘trad’ life, like you can do today without being a pseudo-slave

>>18357002
The real difference is how good they have it compared to how good they could have it.

They had it worse than us, and because of their level of technology there was only so much that society could have done for them to have it better. We have it better than them, but our level of technology is such that we could have it way better than we do right now.

>>18357737
And they had gfs which is the important part

>>18357002
Hot water, dentistry, medicine, education, electricity, life expectancy, personal transport, freedom, ability to travel, peace, laws, soft toilet paper, clothing, footwear, suffrage, etc is way better today than it was 700 years ago.

>>18358301
Technology arguments always seem so lazy and unconvincing

>Hot water
For what? You get used to cold showers pretty damn fast to the point you dont even flinch anymore. Probably better for your skin anyway

>Dentistry
Constant worry about appearances and expensive and time consuming, I guess you can argue that leads to a longer life with healthy teeths. But living longer is besides the point here. Quality over quantity was the question.

>Medicine
Could you make your family live longer i guess

>Education
Get educated in what exactly? Is this life's end goal?

>Electricity
Again, not sure if fullfils one's life. Fire will light your house and heat your food just the same as a microwave. We cant even see the night sky anymore

>Life expectancy
Besides infant mortality and the constant wars bringing the expentancy down, im not so sure ppl lived that little. Also pointless to live longer if your life sucks

>Personal transport
To go where and for what, to go suffer somewhere else? We need cars because cities were made with them in mind, no need for one if everything you need is within your grasp

>Freedom
Not sure having to wageslave 40h per week to have a roof and food with barely free time to even think is considered freedom

>Ability to travel
Eh, I guess you can see other cultures if you somehow manage to same money and time

>Peace
Women (or men) cant (shouldnt?) leave their house at night by themselves at completely reasonable hours for obvious reasons. And that at a first world country like USA.

>Laws
There were laws before too

>Soft toilet paper
Really? If you use toilet paper in current year and age instead of a portable Japanese bidet you are the actual self. Also who cares

>Clothing
For what? Clothes are only useful in the winter. They had clothing before, having a Nike jacket doesn't makes anyone's life better.

>Footwear
Makes your feet deformed. Unironically 0 purpose unless needed for rough terrains for specific tasks, which they had.

>>18358579
>having to wageslave 40h per week to have a roof and food with barely free time to even think is considered freedom
Ordinary people for all of human history had to work for a living. Modern western people have such an abundance of food that even the poor are fat.
Medieval peasants lived at a subsistence level and good was extremely scarce. Most peasants would have experienced at least one famine during their life.
The peasants also worked more than 40h a week lol

>>18358653
Abundance clearly isn't good then since it makes you fat.

>famine
Fasting is good for you

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>>18358301
invented by wall to wall white men, we didn't need to destroy our society for it

also don't reply saying some shit like "INDIA INVENTED ZERO SARR"

The truth is that the only way the wagie is better is materially, spiritually, mentally, socially or politically he's far, far worse because he lives in an utterly anti-human society.

>>18358301
>>18358579
Actually, fun fact, dentistry only really became a major problem with the advent of sugar as a commodity. Oh it was there before, but all the stuff about absolutely horrid rotting teeth and wooden dentures only comes from after people started eating sugar.

The serfs work doesn't end after work.

Serfs were basically debt-slaves. They were bound to the land they worked through a debt of labor owed the estate which, by design, was essentially impossible to ever earn himself free. The owners of estates worked by serfs would invariably find ways of deepening the debt owed the estate to keep the serf trapped.

Serfs were basically never allowed to leave their estates, could not marry without permission, and were kept indebted through endless fees for basic services like using the lord's mill or his ovens. Since serfs rarely ever had money fees were paid in kind. This meant the serf had to pay, continuously, just for the privilege of eating and living on the lord's land, in addition to his labors on the lord's behalf. The serf owed labor to the estate, so he had to work the lord's fields. He owed a percentage of his own fields. He owed fees for milling the grain and baking bread. He owed fees to the markets if he managed to keep anything to sell after paying his fees and rent.

Basically his lot was the worst kind of wage slavery that exists today, but without any modern amenities to speak of, no real recourse if he became too injured to work, and a truly awful, menial selection of food to subsist on.

>>18357931
You do know ALL bats can carry rabies right?

>>18357876
>death was not a big scary thing back then
lol wut

>>18358694
>Famines are actually good for you
Are people here pretending to be retarded or actually retarded?

>>18357002
Ive seen this conversation a billion times on everything and have yet to hear actual good arguments for the peasant

>>18358765
Most people believed in God so they weren't dismayed by first death

>>18357002
>who has it worse?
Modern wagies.
>give at least 3/4 of what you make to the gov. in taxes
>must arrive at work at a specific hour, to the minute

>>18357002
Lol, you fags are really retarded

Most medieval adult male peasants worked 135 days a year. 120-180 is the range, and often counted the family not individual, someone else from the household could work in your place some of the days.

The year was filled with holidays most of pagan origin the church tried to clean up or accomodate. All under a beautiful sky filled with swirling 3d galaxies not just illuminated dots. You can still see this in the most remote parths of earth.
Festivals, bbqs, drinking, your own home and animals, wife and many children. All organic food.
On 135 days work a year.
You, your wife, the women at the festivals you selected her from, and your children above 7, all healthy and fit.

Medicine less important because genetically isolated populations have their unhealthy genetics die out and naturally most people are healthy at least until the age of menopause which monogamous populations select for.
This leaves childbirth, acquired disease, and injury, medicine is lacking for. Childbirth is fixed by higher marriage age like 16+ so the birth canal and wide hips are fully developed, and natural selection reducing genetics prone to die.
Acquired disease and injury are the biggest risks.


So 2/3 of the year were spent doing your own thing with a fit sexy wife, children that spent most hours looking up to you not being brainwashed at school or programmed to consume, and the community celebrations of bbqs dances, and weddings.

>>18357014
Adultery needs outlawed first

>>18357563
Asking the real questions

>>18359130
Uhm no you need to fucking overtime for Shlomo Shekelstein and accept your empowered wife sleeping with 50 men and divorce-raping you fucking chud.

>>18359141
No. That goes against Marxist and Feminist principles. Chuds have to accept their wives sleeping around.

>>18358758
At least they had sex

>>18359130
>Most medieval adult male peasants worked 135 days a year
Actually insane you retards believe this

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>>18357084
Why didn't that cuckold Ivan genocide every last Tartar man woman and child at Kazan if they were obviously so worthless?

>>18359701
Well kazan was sacked and it's inhabitants massacred iirc

>>18359242
It's easy to imagine this if you have never been anywhere near a farm ever in your life.

1. In pre-industrial economy everything is labour-expensive. Craftsmen live mostly in cities. A peasant has to do all sidejobs by himself, even essentials - clothes, tools, utensils, housework - which means they are shitty quality.
2. In pre-information society you can't just watch YouTube tutorials how to do things. Books are expensive. Everything you know is a result of tries and fails of generations of your ancestors before you.
3. Community work. Your distance cousin you have never met got married - now you have to build a hut for his family.

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>>18358579
> Quality over quantity was the question.
Quality of health in the modern day is superior to nearly all of history.
>Could you make your family live longer i guess
Disease, infection, cancer and a thousand other more minor problems are completely solvable with modern medicine to the point were some of them are utterly trivial but were a mass killer to millions before the advent of modern medicine.
>Get educated in what exactly? Is this life's end goal?
Is your life goal to be a castrated slave? Having an education is better than not. My life is objectively superior and more fulfilled because I have received an education to those who haven't.
>Not sure having to wageslave 40h per week to have a roof and food with barely free time to even think is considered freedom
Considering that I am a legally free individual able to go, and do just about anything I desire in reason, yes, it is. The majority of people in the middle ages were unfree serfs who weren't even allowed legal representation in royal courts.

>>18357398
No it wasn’t. “Peasants” kept livestock and hunting was only forbidden on the King’s land reserve specifically and this was liable to change with every king and varied by country.
We know what they ate and they had a very well balanced diet especially in towns.

>>18357900
You could be granted leave for any reason.
>which implies
You are retarded. These laws have specific stipulations and mainly applied to a few weeks of training. They weren’t some kind of yoke that prevented people from traveling.
Furthermore, why travel anyway? People travel today mostly out of boredom. Back then you could satisfy your wanderlust with a single journey. Today the biggest reason for travel is sex tourism and back then sex was freely available to everyone because everyone got married young to lithe and supple teenage girls.
>he basically helped raise
Give me one single historical instance of peasants keeping a herd of deer. One, I’ll wait. No I won’t because there are no instances of this.
Hunting laws varied from places and persons.
>foresters well equipped and learned in fighting
Skyrim isn’t history.
Show me the Royal foresters of 850s Finland.

>>18357737
And you know this because you are a serf right?

>>18358767
It’s more that you unironically believe famines were commonplace.

>>18358758
Modern wagies vs serfs is a biased comparison.
Mexican immigrant workers or jeet call workers are more like serfs. Wagies are more like Burghers.

Serfs had it better and serfs also had more sex.

>>18359242
>>18360444
I worked on a subsistence farm. I don’t where people get the idea it’s dawn to dusk work.
It’s not. If you work on an industrial farm then maybe but subsistence family farms have plenty of days where the work consists entirely of feeding animals (this doesn’t take hours it takes an hour at most) and then three hours fixing something or building something. Your work day could end in 3 hours some days.
It’s always weird to me how lefties will say “you haven’t worked on a farm” then have no response when I tell them I worked on an entirely self sufficient farm for three years.

>>18360560
Before WW1 there werent even passports. You arent as "free" as you think you are. Modern life is a gilded cage, a large one so the bars out of your sight but a cage nonetheless.
>castrated slave
Thats what moslem animals did which medieval people vehemently fought over centuries.

>>18360560
None of these things disproportionately affected the middle class back then and today they do not affect the middle class.
Low strata people today still suffer from these things.
>legally free individual
Are you? You can’t do anything without middle class means.
At least law enforcement wasn’t able to reach you in the past. You really could live like Wild West free.
>Royal courts
EVERYONE was entitled to legal representation in courts sanctioned by the king or lord actually.
Even slaves taken in war.
>majority of people
Less than 30% of people were serfs actually. More people live below the poverty line today than were serfs.

>>18360440
Why weren't they exterminated?

Oh it's another one of these threads were retards argue that because they personally enjoy feeding pigs medieval peasants must've had wonderful lives
Not medieval, but here's an anonymous Polish Peasants poem from the early 17th century
>Our lords are a great woe to us
>they fleece us almost like sheep,
>you can never sit in peace,
>unless maybe you forget the bad things,
>over a mug of beer.

>Pay your rents, the watchman's fees, the tribute -
>Chickens for using the meadows;
>I don't know anymore what we owe:
>wheat, acorns, hops and nuts -
>we stuff the sacks for the landlords.

>Friend! Neighbour! They're bearing down harder,
>every year they raise the labour services,
>now we have to work in pairs,
>but of course the fine lords still know how
>To adorn themselves.

>It's not enough that you work yourself into a sweat,
>the bailiff is busy with his cane.
>But just go to complain, his lordship will thunder at you:
>"Get out, you thief, what are you snivelling about!"
The peasantries of Europe, edited by Tom Scott, pg 146

How would you trace peasant ancestry if so few records were kept? Think about it. All of Europe is likely a mixed bag. But I wonder about the proportions bros. Upper class warriors/skilled workers would have been at an advantage under such Darwinian conditions. Much of modern medicine allows people to succeed genetically who would not have under those conditions. So we actually could be becoming "sub-peasant" genetically as the mean regresses further.

This basically means we must impose eugenics. With me being the ideal man in many ways, this means less peasant ancestry so I specifically should be getting many hundreds of nubile women of diverse races and physical types to manually copulate with, for reproduction and science. With my techniques we can raise the mean.

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>>18361179
The reality is white men are loser faggot beta cucks who were oppressed by their governments in 1026AD just like they're being oppressed in 2026AD. White "men" are the lowest T most soiboi faggy beta race in existence. Even as their governments strip away all their power, empower their women to divorce-rape them, flood their countries with non-white immigrants and draft them for WW3 with Russia and China, white faggots will never ever protest because they're buckbroken eunuch faggots.

You don't see the men of other races behaving like this. Only white "men". Even East Asian men have more balls than spineless white faggots.

>>18361179
People seem to think that peasants were all freeborn farmers, or even landowners. They don't realize the majority of them were bondsmen kept in perpetual debt through endless fees.

>>18360939
>I worked on a subsistence farm.
With modern equipment, without being obligated to work for your landlord in addition to the rent you owed him, and without being charged fees for pasture, milling, and baking.

You seriously have no clue what life was like for a medieval peasant if you think life on a modern farm is at all comparable.

>>18361187
>How would you trace peasant ancestry if so few records were kept?
Through process of elimination. Important people had well-recorded lineages. If your family doesn't show up in those, they probably weren't important. The vast majority of unimportant people were peasants. QED.

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Peasant. Pissant.

>>18361247
This doesn't hold up. Different parts of Europe had different literacy rates and phases of record keeping. Add to that the potential for lost records and that many census efforts included and recorded peasants... Much of the Domesday book is just recording British peasants. It just doesn't work.

Peasant ancestry should be determined through modern versions of trial by combat exclusively. We can use only swords, axes and knives and must remain bare chested in this contest. Horses and dogs allowed of course. Land and wives can be allocated accordingly.

>>18361362
>Much of the Domesday book is just recording British peasants
Incorrect. It does not record the names and lineages of peasants, it records hearths as a stand-in for families to approximate the tax-value of parcels of land. It is totally unconcerned with recording the identities and bloodlines of agrarian laborers. Only the nobility have, historically, bothered with such tedious record keeping.

And that did not really change until the modern era, and even then it changed slowly.

>>18361414
I still think we should all just duel it out. Settle this for good and all.

>>18357002

>who has it worse?

Really depends on the weather, the harvest, and various geopolitical events. I mean, I'm a wageslave, but at least I'm not getting beseiged. And if I'm a serf, well... At least I'm getting some fresh air.

>>18357010
there's a certain people that are simultaneously inbred and outbred which results in unproportionally high frequency of mental illness
incidentally the same people happen to hate jesus christ and christianity with a passion
draw your own conclusions

>>18361187
>>18361414
Churches generally kept records of parish births, deaths and marriages. Finnish parish records often extend as far back as the late 1600s, for instance. I can personally trace my peasant ancestry to the 1500s.
Really, if your ancestors were peasants in the 1800s, they were almost certainly peasants before that, as well. Not to mention that peasants made up a great majority of people in these societies, so a good chunk of your ancestors were almost certainly peasants.

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>wageslave

>>18357011
but they did poison the wells

>>18358579
Congratulations for reading Walden for the first time, it's a long book! Unfortunately, you misunderstood Thoreau's argument entirely! He wasn't a luddite, he was doing it to experiment in extremely cheap living and for the nature-worship aspects of Transcendentalism (which is utterly at odds with whatever BASED and TRAD Christian denomination you are, Mr. ESL)

>>18360950
>Are you?
Yes, I am.
>At least law enforcement wasn’t able to reach you in the past
As if community policing didn't exist, and wasn't the most common form of it. You really think the middle ages were just a murder rape festival with nobody stopping you?
>EVERYONE was entitled to legal representation in courts sanctioned by the king or lord actually.
Unfree men were barred from the royal courts in England, only free men were allowed to petition them. Otherwise you had to go through a manorial court. The Manga Carta didn't even apply to unfree men either.
>Less than 30% of people were serfs actually.
More like 90% by the reign of King John. It would only decline in the 14th century. The decline of serfdom in England was the exception to the norm, well into the early modern period the majority of the population in France, Spain, Germany and Russia were serfs.

>>18361555
>Finnish parish records often extend as far back as the late 1600
Which is still modernity, per my point. Nobody in the medieval era was bothering to record the family line of random peasants. There were simply not enough literate people for them to waste their time with that. It's only with the spread of literacy following the printing press and increase in public education going into modernity that you saw a massive uptick in general bureaucracy and record keeping. The early modern period (i.e. starting around 1500 AD) is when you begin to see things change. But it still took centuries before it was common to have a public record of births, deaths, and marriages.

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>>18357002
The wageslave. The medieval serf has a wife which means sex and a family which means he has people he cares for and a purpose for his existence and serfing.

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>>18361561
>goodest goy award

people thinking we have better today because of ''muhh electricity'' are fucking retarded

>>18357002
love how time specific you are for the wageslave but you give us a 1000 years window for the serf

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>>18359130
How common was this gathering in pic related? Because if common then their lives seemed much better

Today we barely know our neighbors let alone have hangouts like that.
Anytime people gather today is an family obligation. Very little close friends, most are acquaintances where you are anxious for your image, for what you own, what job you have, how much you make.

>>18359187
Not all of them did.

>>18363159
>faggot

>>18357033
>Phone company tells me my points aren't redeemable twice in a certain period
>I didn't budget for this oversight
>Might not be able to log in class, may get dropped
>Can't contact family quickly in case of emergency
>Job prospects I have been waiting to contact me may call during the period while it is disconnected

>tfw my phone being off for a day or two could literally lead to me being kicked out of school, unable to get a job, and homeless with no way to readily reach my family
>At least I can shit post and watch porn as I watch my life crash before my eyes

I should not have gotten angry with the guy from Customer Service but shit c'mon the consequences are so dire now.

>>18363748
Unlimited phone plans are like $10 a month. If you haven't got a spare $10 somewhere and you're not already homeless or from some third world country where the median income is a dollar a day, then what the hell are you doing?
You've access to the internet, but can't contact your family? Who the fuck doesn't have WhatsApp, telegram, etc, or even just an email? Not like a medieval peasant traveling away from their family wouldn't have this problem.
I hope you manage to figure it out anon, but your problems are not the fault of modernity and the solution is not serfdom. Medieval society also had it's share of homelessness and the poor who had to live off acorns and charity even in non famine times.

>>18357002
The serf, by far. The disease risk, political situation, and burden of labour alone make serfdom far worse than modern western wageslvery, or even quite a few forms of modern thirdy living.
We can't even really know if they were more psychologically fulfilled than us because no one was really taking notes about that. People just assume that they were. But I think otherwise, having met currently eisting peasant populations and seeing how they live.
>>18357007
Just so you know, up until the 19th century everyone unanimously agreed that pursuing a pious and holy life was infinitely easier within the cities than in the countryside full of vice.

>>18363989
existing*

>Get bit by a mosquito
>Cut yourself shaving
>Fucking die
>Be Earl George Carnarvon in 1923.

On the one hand I've always wondered why people are so afraid of infections, as if the slightest scratch means you get Staph infections. Since I'll have cuts aplenty that never get infected. But on the other hand be a rich nobleman who cuts himself shaving and fucking die, now imagine a peasant not living in the hygienic 20th century.

>>18357025
Look at covid and the hysteria that did for a not even 1% fatality rate. I am more understanding of why Europe went ballistic with hunting witches and religious wars after the black death. We should actually admire how restrained they were that they lost 2/3rds the population of Europe (not across the board, differed by area) and they didn't go apeshit. If the US lost 25% of the population to a disease I am 100% certain we'd see fanatical pagan cults emerging, actual child sacrifice in some kind of twisted "God has forsaken us we must rebind Isaac in the form of a child sacrified every month and only when God tells us to stop are we forgiven".

Same way that the 20th century was ultimately a hysterical fever dream arising from the trauma of WW1 you could make a case for plenty of political and religious angst emerging from the black death. I am not sure I'd go so far as to say it extends to the 30 years war - but then again maybe it does.

>>18363724
>seething

>>18357007
the lizard people feed off our existential dread and suffering, during WW1 and 2 they didn't just feed off the loss of life but the suffering, worry and dread of the soldiers family left at home.
Or at least that's what Icke believes.

>>18363996
we can see this dilema with covid, take the vax or go out and party
most people are here for a good time not a long time