Why did Christians have to steal Hellenic metaphysics?
Greeks are among the most hardcore Christians out there desu.
Why do secular westoids have to steal Hellenic culture in general?
Because the Jews weren't exactly mental giants.
>>18358778Prior to discovering Platonism. Most Jews and Christians thought God was physical. He was physically and literally up there in the sky. Then they discovered Platonism and said "if numbers are real and get to be invisible, why not God as well? magic. whooooooosh."
>>18358879why would they cope with numbers when aviation was millennia away? you are confused
>>18358879Before the influence of Greek philosophy, many Jews and early Christians pictured God in very anthropomorphic, physical terms - sometimes literally as "up there" in the heavens, interacting in tangible ways, walking in the Garden of Eden, or speaking from the sky. God was imagined with a presence and location in space.Then Platonic ideas entered the mix, especially during the Hellenistic period. Plato's theory of Forms suggested that the highest realities - numbers, justice, beauty - exist independently of the physical world and are eternal, unchanging, and non-physical. Once thinkers realized they could apply that reasoning to God, suddenly God could be understood as pure, immaterial essence rather than a "heavenly man in the clouds."It was almost a magical conceptual jump. If forms exist invisibly and objectively, then God could too, and now God doesn't have to "sit in a throne in the sky" to be real - he can be entirely immaterial.This shift had enormous consequences: it influenced the development of Neoplatonism, medieval scholasticism (like Augustine and Aquinas), and the whole Western conception of God as an abstract, omnipresent, incorporeal being.From the perspective of many of the people who wrote the Hebrew Bible or the earliest Christian texts, God was not meant to be an abstract, immaterial concept. God was personal, powerful, and present in the world. He walked, spoke, intervened in battles, punished, blessed, and literally "was there."
God was described and imagined as spirit by a ton of cultures including those on stone age level like native Americans, you guys are making shit up just to inflate the platonic narrative. Disgraceful.
>>18358883Israel comes from the fact that Jacob struggled with God himself physically.
>>18358895>struggled with GodJews do be like that.
>>18358895He struggled with an angel, stop conflating.
>>18358883>Before the influence of Greek philosophy, many Jews and early Christians pictured God in very anthropomorphic, physical terms - sometimes literally as "up there" in the heavens, interacting in tangible ways, walking in the Garden of Eden, or speaking from the sky. God was imagined with a presence and location in space.Christcucks still think of their god like this lmao
>>18358894The God you're describing, Deism, is considered heretical by Christians because it rejects prophetic revelation, miracles, and the belief that God actively intervenes in the world. While affirming a Creator, Deism contrasts with Christianity's central tenets of a personal, involved God and salvation through Jesus ChristSo in reality most Christcucks stray into heresy when they try to act like intellectual equals to Hellenism
>>18358939that's not the point, the point is that even the most primitive people posses ideas like Plato's and nobody needed to copy anyone
>>18358883>Muh Monad the Gayeeeks wuz smart Aryans who invented WisdomKek the vast majority of Gayreeks were retarded polytheists like any other groups of people it's only the Indian-Eurofags who make the few outliers representative of the whole and most of their work can't be sourced directly to them and is no different than what they were fabricating in the Renaissance era.
>>18358954>the point is that even the most primitive people posses ideas like Plato's and nobody needed to copy anyoneprove it
>>18358962get educated and cool down with the plato slop
>>18358778 (OP)>>18358883You're giving the Greeks a tad too much credit. You see incorporeal, transcendent, and universal conceptions of YHWH develop throughout the Monarchical and Exilic period as well - no doubt in dialogue with Ancient Egyptian, Babylonian, possibly Persian influences.Greek Philosophy and metaphysics did absolutely have an impact through from the 4th century onward. Christianity and even modern Judaism ar heavily infused with Platonic language and metaphysics.But even then, the Greeks themselves were profoundly influenced by Mesopotamia and Egypt too. As early as the 8th century BC, you have the Egyptian Shabaka Stone preserved (or constructed) by the Kushite 25th dynasty that at times almost reads like Plato before Plato. The region of the Mediterranean and MENA are deeply interconnected region and ascertaining whom influenced whom and when is very an arduous endeavor indeed.
>>18359012>you have the Egyptian Shabaka Stone preserved (or constructed) by the Kushite 25th dynasty that at times almost reads like Plato before PlatoElaborate
>>18359012Honestly, thing about it more, you see Aniconism-elements developing even earlier, possibly as Early Iron Age Proto-Israelite YYHWH groups, likely influenced by AE stands of monotheism exemplified by Akhenaten's reign imho.>>18359020The God Ptah is envisioned as a Divine Craftsman (anticipating the later Greek Demiurge) who speaks the world into existence with his Divine Speech (Logos):>“All the gods, all towns, all temples, and all things came into being through what the heart devised and the tongue commanded.”>“Every divine word came into being through what the heart devised and the tongue commanded.”>“There came into being as heart and there came into being as tongue something in the form of Atum.”>“Thus Ptah was satisfied after he had made all things and all divine words.”
>>18358778It was extended borrowing
>>18358778>Timeless Gayreeco-Christing GodsMashALLAH that's literally Jesus aka Idris/Hermes 3D-Wise in Egypt bringing Magic to the Greeks.
Tfw religitards NEED pic related to validate their beliefs.
>>18358782old is gold
>>18359070>speaks the world into existence with his Divine Speech (Logos):This is more of a Judeo-Christian (mis)understanding of Logos rather than the Platonic use of the term
>>18360187Fair point , though I'd say it's more Middle-Platonism which you see in the likes of Philo of Alexandria which influences/overlaps with Christianity.
>>18358939>So in reality most Christcucks stray into heresy when they try to act like intellectual equals to HellenismThis happened even in antiquity as several of the arguments Origen used to defend Christianity in Contra Celsum were later branded as heresy.
>>18361359Origen’s response to Celsus is frankly a poor one. >He frequently labels Celsus an Epicurean even though Celsus was a Platonist. >Practically all of Origen’s responses don’t actually address any of Celsus’ actual arguments beyond saying “nuh uh” as he doesn’t even argue why Christianity is true but rather argues under the presumption of Christianity being true. >Many of the arguments Origen used in favor of Christianity, specifically his views on the pre-existence of souls and the final restoration of all things (apokatastasis), were ironically later branded as heresy.
>>18358778>thinken about thos beans
>>18358883>Western conception of God as an abstract, omnipresent, incorporeal being.>God was personal, powerful, and present in the world. He walked, spoke, intervened in battles, punished, blessed, and literally "was there."Why do you think those two are exclusive from each other? Many Christians fully believe in both statements. Most Christians throughout history have also believed that God assumes a material form in food and drink when priests summon him.
>>18361734Strict monotheism creates a “metaphysical gap,” a God who is simultaneously an absolute principle and a personal, emotional creator. This is a logical contradiction that polytheism avoids by distributing divine functions. Polytheism is a better map of the human psyche, representing various facets of the human experience (war, love, wisdom, etc) as distinct entities rather than a single, often contradictory, deity. Yes, the gods are in unity with each other hence the neatly ordered structure of the cosmos, but they are still separate individuals.
>>18361819>This is a logical contradictionwhat's the P AND NOT P?>Polytheism is a better map of the human psycheNo it isn't, love and wisdom exist in humans at the same time.> the gods are in unity with each other hence the neatly ordered structure of the cosmosWhat are you talking about? They often go to war and when they do not they have no unified will nor knowledge meaning the sea deity and the sky deity cannot agree in 100% of cases when a storm needs to happen. This is why every polytheist system settles down on an idea of a King of Gods
>>18359207>MashALLAH that's literally Jesus aka Idris/Hermes 3D-Wise in Egypt bringing Magic to the Greeks.What?
>>18359154It's time to give it back and return to your superstitious hebraic ways
>>18358780Makes sense because modern gayreeks are Turkish and moor rape babies completely different from the Greeks who worshipped ZEVS.
>>18358895>fact
