Why it do be like this? Is it because one of them won so he gets the chad halo effect?
possibly just the hundreds of years of intervening history. Plus, Hitler disrupted the earnings of the people who control all media in the west
>>18358980mongol BVLL vs g*rmoid
One of them had the good sense to win their wars
In all honesty I think it's because normies see racism as worse than anything else.Like I sometimes see people arguing that Antebellum South was worse than Ancient Rome because slavery in Rome wasn't racist.This is also why you see people adopting the retarded Hispanidad meme. They see genocidal rapist conquistadors as less problematic than Anglo colonizers because they didn't make brown people sad with segregation laws and minstrel shows
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>>18358980Genghis Khan actually succeeded in building an empire, making his people rich and powerful. That can be respected. Hitler lost and got a bunch of people killed for no reason and got his country invaded. He is more similar to someone like Napoleon, and most people see him as a bad guy too, but at least Napoleon did succeed in spreading his legal code and nationalism.
>>18359042>most people see Napoleon as a bad guy tooDo they really?
hitler created a deliberate plan to murder 200 million people, Genghis was just kinda vibing and conquering
>>18359042>I can respect empires built on rape and conquestbut you dont, you hate colonialism by White people.
>>18359048can we see the official documents signed by Hitler where it says "200m will die and here's how"Quote that line.
>>18359048>hitler created a deliberate plan to murder 200 million peopleEh, women probably kill more via abortion every year
>>18359059you killed even more would be humans by not having sex
>>18359073False equivalency
Temujin was actually pretty chill until they murdered his ambassadors
>>18359048>Genghis was just kinda vibingHe was like, one with the Earth, man
>>18359088>and then the mongols entered the city of ching pao and killed 2 million 81 people
>>18359000I don't understand this mentality. Why be such a masochist?
>>18359047I do, kind of to an extent
>>18359116Brown normies are antiracist because they have a clear incentive to do so. White normies are antiracist because it's simply Western culture after 1945, and there's also huge social pressure to be antiracist.
>>18358980An actual parallel whose legacy is worth comparing to Genghis Khan would be Alexander the Great. Why is Alexander remembered as heroic while Genghis is remembered as a "rapist"?
>>18359143I didn't have a lot of friends in high school because I thought it was all stupid. This was 30 years ago.
>>18359116Because whites are retarded faggot cuckolds lmfao.>>18359143I'm a brown Latino racist and I shit on whites and blacks equally. The truth is your race are retarded mentally ill castrated cuckolds. That's why you set your women and slaves free like the dipshit cucks you are.
>>18359202You seem very troubled. You should probably get medicated or something
>>18359203I'm not white like you so I don't need to take HRT pills. Go dilate you fucking pathetic little waste. Are you done giving your countries up to immigrants, women and queers? Fucking loser lmfao.
>>18358980Genghis didn't do that though retard.If you immediately surrendered without fighting, you were allowed to keep vassal state status, you weren't massacred or suffer any atrocities.Genghis only massacred Tanguts in Western Xia after they double crossed him two times and revolted after pretending to submit.Hitler intentionally tried to exterminate people who surrendered peacefully.
>>18359209So true, if Genghis Khan killed people where are the bones???
>>18358980>>18359209Also Mongols allowed interethnic marriage of Mongol womenHan Chinese general Shi Tianze had two Jurchen wives, a Korean wife and Han wife.His son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait woman and another one of his sons married the daughter of Mongol official Menggu Baer.Kublai Khan married off one of his own daughters to the Han Zhao Xian, Emperor Gong of Song.The Mongol prince of Liang in Yunnan married one of his daughters off to the Duan king if Dali.Hitler tried to ban Jews and Gypsies from sex with German women.
>>18359113>>18358980>>18359209>>18359113 #The Mongols raped and sacked European cities like Kiev and Ryazan and even villages in Eastern Austria.The Mongols didn't sack cities in China which negotiated capitulation terms like XiangyangKublai Khan even gave Korean women as wives to Han Chinese Southern Song soldiers in Xiangyang as part of the deal to surrender the city peacefully with no sacking.
>>18359224Damn, Mongols were such wholesome antiracists. Good thing they weren't racist.
>>18359227>and even villages in Eastern Austria.You played too much AOE II.
>>18359209>>18359224>>18359227chingspammer has entered the thread
>>18359143Being antiracist also makes them feel morally superior and more intelligent. It's literally just ego masturbation. They think that antiracist=high status, so they're just better people than all those poor, stupid racists
>>18359301well they are right
>>18359374Status chasers may be contemptible, but yeas they are right. Whatever the status quo is is always right, otherwise it wouldn't be in power.
>>18359224Fortunately the Manchu learnt from the Mongols being absorbed into the Han biomass blob
>>18358980Retard genghis was 800 years ago.In 2700 literally no one will give a single shit if whichever successor to germany puts a massive statue of hitler in their capital.
>>18359203Nah, he's mentality makes perfect sense. In a vacuum the other races don't have any incentive to be nice to each other. They only reason they even pretend to be chummy is because all their ancestors got their asses collectively kicked by the white man and want to pretend the enemy of my enemy is my friend mentality is a real thing but in reality the ingroup vs out group preference for ones races is strongest.
>>18359206what does that have anything to do with anything? very Jewish remark.
>>18359383if that was the case then women are correct, and I'm not about to give them any credit. they're just cute things to cum inside of, nothing human.
Give it time. Won't even take another 100 years before Hitler isn't seen as a big deal anymore. Napoleon was as hated as Hitler in his day, and for decades after his final exile people still reviled him and admitting to being a "Bonapartist" was worthy of starting a fight. Now though? Nappy is the butt of jokes and bad historical dramas which romanticize his life. 200 years does a lot to soften the reputation of somebody called a "monster" in the press, in his own day.
>>18358980It's been eight hundred years from Genghis Khan. People who lived through WW2 are still alive.
>>18359047Most people outside France and Poland consider Napoleon a villain. People are detached enough from that old history to not get emotional about it, like you can sell Napoleon branded cognac and nobody gets offended even in somewhere like Spain where he massacred towns.The problem with Hitler is that he had no respectable acomplishments. With Napoleon, even people who don't like conquests or making yourself emperor after fighting in a revolution promising to end tyranny have to admit that he was a great tactitian and strategist. Hitler wasn't, his generals were and people who don't like Nazism happily admit it. Hitler was just the guy that made shitty grand strategic decisions that ended in Germany losing the war.What else? Hitler created an ideology that failed and remained hated. He was objectively a good politician, he was good at setting up a party, playing people off against each other, propagandizing etc. But being a good politician (aka manipulator) is not something people respect on its own, especially if it all just lead to failiure in the end.Really, the only people who like Hitler are fellow losers who think he lost and is disliked today because the world was unfair to him, just like they feel it's unfair to them.
>>18358980Hitler is still too soon. Give it a few centuries and he won't be viewed as harshly
>>18359301Exactly, the best weapon the white race's enemies have is our own classism. A leftie or normie elitist is legit willing to betray their own people and effectively commit suicide just so they have a socially acceptable reason to sneer at someone.
>>18359989It's different because Hitler was the basis of an entire global ideological paradigm shift, the post-1945 consensus. Who knows, maybe it will still somehow be enforced in the future.Genghis Khan in comparison was just another violent warlord out of many. He just happened to inflict a lot more death and damage than others.
>>18359989the thing is Hitler didn't leave any lasting postive influence, Genghis at least develop most of Euroasiatic trade routes, at most he will be remember as a reason why racism and eugenics took a huge blow
>>18359224please fuck off and die you bat eating chink
>>18360240Outside of columbus causing 95% of the natives to die, the mongol empire led to the largest amount of death in human history % wise, he was categorically different from other steppe warlords and literally no one cares. Unless some dictator takes nazi iconography and does another genocide literally no one will care about you saying heil hitler in public by at most 2200
And who glorifies the mongols besides turkish nationalists? Everyone else agree they were a plague and one of the worst things that happened to humanity
>>18359301I mean their point seems logical. We are all homo-sapiens, right? Why should we hate each other over superficial things like color and beauty. 100 million years from now it won’t even matter because of evolution. Yet I want TND. It feels like a duty to preserve my ancestors genes or else I have forsaken their history and struggle.
>>18359794>>18359978These posts would've been correct if the retarded posters actually read a book and realized almost everyone in Europe and beyond (who had news of Europe, like here in America) already romanticized and admired NapoopaN TotallatoT. Only Russhits, Prusshits, and Britbong tories were seething, with the bong being the only ones to still do it to this day. Napoleon was already a tragic hero and a champion of liberalism (the classic version) by 1848 among the majority of the people.
>>18359568>18359228>18359234>18359286>>18361084Mongols sold their own children incliding daughters as slaves to Han Chinese during the Yuan dynastyhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220278>>13220278Kublai Khan had to hand out Korean women as wives to the Southern Song soldiers in Xiangyang (now turned into the Xinfu jun,newly submitted army) after they demanded Kublai provide them with women, after defecting.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17388491/#q17388491>>17388491Han dynasty China also ruled Vietnam and Korea 2000 years ago.Han general Guo Kan's grandfather Guo Baoyu participated in Genghis Khan's conquest of Khwarezmia in Central Asia.Guo Kan grew up in the household of Han general Shi Tianze, whose sons all married Mongol womenHan general Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait Nestorian Christian womanAnother one of his sons married the daughter of Mongol official Menggu Baer.Mongols sold their own children incliding daughters as slaves to Han Chinese during the Yuan dynastyhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220278>>13220278Shandong Han noble Duke Yansheng Kong Xixue (Confucius family) married a Mongol woman from the Sulduz tribe.
>>18359568Other way around retard.Mongols absorbed Han men into the Mongol ethnicity.Actual ethnic Mongol historian from the royal Borjigin clan, Borjigin Burensain says Mongol princes married off Mongol women to Han Chinese men.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14414077/#q14414134>>14414124https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13224931>>13224931Han Chinese bondservants and Han bannermen and Han civilians during the Qing dynasty also made up for skewed sex ratio from female infanticide by marrying ethnic Mongol women in Inner Mongolia.Mongol royal descendant Borjigin Burensain himself admitted that Han farmers in Inner Mongolia were given Mongol wives in the qing dynasty.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13223613https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13223671https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13224931https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13225368Han Chinese merchants and soldiers also took Uyghur wives in Xinjiang , Han soldiers in Lubu, Lhasa took Tibetan wives and Han merchants visiting Japan rented Japanese girls
>>18362269Marco Polo himself said Uyghur Semu in Kumul offered their wives to other menMarco Polo said Uyghur men of Kumul in Xinjiang let foreign men fuck their wives and daughters.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9588542/#q9588542https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9585899/#9589310Kublai Khan handed out Korean girls to Han Chinese men and foreign Muslims and Europeans in China.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7877569/#q7878460https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10828773/#q10830396https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12668741/#q12672821Han Chinese men like Su Tangshe openly married Semu women from Pu Shougeng's family in the Yusnhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14414077/#q14414124>>14414124https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13224931>>13224931Han Chinese bondservants and Han bannermen and Han civilians during the Qing dynasty also made up for skewed sex ratio from female infanticide by marrying ethnic Mongol women in Inner Mongolia.Mongol royal descendant Borjigin Burensain himself admitted that Han farmers in Inner Mongolia were given Mongol wives in the qing dynasty.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13223613https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13223671https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13224931https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13225368Han Chinese merchants and soldiers also took Uyghur wives in Xinjiang , Han soldiers in Lubu, Lhasa took Tibetan wives and Han merchants visiting Japan rented Japanese girls.
>>18359234Account of Mongol rape in AustriaIvo of Narbonne said the Mongols did this to women in Neustat, Austria.https://apholt.com/2020/06/08/accounts-of-the-mongols-in-the-medieval-record/They abhorred the monstrous cruelty of the accomplices of the Antichrist,[11] and they heard the pitiful cries of Christians that were arising to God—Christians in the adjoining province who suddenly had been taken captive. Without consideration of class, fortune, sex, or age, they indiscriminately destroyed them all by various forms of torture. The leaders, along with their dinner guests and other lotus eaters,[12] fed on their corpses as though they were bread, leaving nothing for the vultures except bones. And it is a wonder, but the famished and gluttonous vultures, who abounded above in great numbers, did not deign to feed upon the remains. The old and deformed women they gave to the cannibals[13] (as they are known world-wide) as food, as if it were a daily ration. They did not eat the beautiful women [immediately]. Rather they suffocated them under a mass of rapists as they cried out and wailed. They raped virgins until they died, and then their breasts were cut off, which they kept for their leaders as delicacies, and they feasted on their virginal bodies in a more splendid manner.https://www.researchgate.net/publication/386985949_Ivo_of_Narbonne's_Account_of_a_Mongol_Attack_on_Austria_Fact_or_Fiction
>>18359234>>18362275Ivo of Narbonne said the Mongols did this to women in Neustat, Austria.
>>18359234>>18362275>>18362281Mongol Golden Horde inseminated all of Kiev, Ukraine and east Austria before Ottomans and Soviets completed the jobs.
>>18362265Kublai Khan handed out Korean women to Southern Song Han soldiers who defected in Xiangyang and joined the Xinfu jun (Newly submitted army).From the Korean history Goryeosa, Kublai Khan demanded Korea provide Korean girls for Han Chinese male soldiers as brides.https://thetributewomen.wordpress.com/https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/高麗史/卷二十七#十五年>三月丙戌,元遣經略司王緫管來,命發軍五千,助征日本,時全羅州道,造船役徒三萬五百餘名,洪茶丘所領監造軍,供給不足,輸東京、晋州道內癸酉,年祿轉與之。王患徭役之煩,轉輸之弊,有防農務,遣上將軍李汾禧,往說茶丘,請令分半歸農,茶丘頗然之,每一[17]船,留雙丁五十人,其餘單丁,悉放歸農。壬寅,元遣蠻子媒聘使肖郁來,中書省牒云:「南宋襄陽府生券軍人,求娶妻室,故差委宣使肖郁,押官絹一千六百四十段[12],前去下高麗國,令有司差官,一同求娶施行。」肖郁令選無夫婦女一百四十名,督之甚急,於是,置結昏都監,自是至秋,窮搜閭井獨女、逆賊之妻、僧人之女,僅盈其數,怨咨大興。例給一女資粧絹十二匹,分與蠻子,蠻子卽率北還。哭聲震天,觀者莫不悽唏。丙午,幸王輪[18]寺。
>>18362290Mongols sold their own children incliding daughters as slaves to Han Chinese during the Yuan dynasty.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220278>>13220278Kublai Khan had to hand out Korean women as wives to the Southern Song soldiers in Xiangyang (now turned into the Xinfu jun,newly submitted army) after they demanded Kublai provide them with women, after defecting.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17388491/#q17388491>>17388491Han dynasty China also ruled Vietnam and Korea 2000 years ago.Han general Guo Kan's grandfather Guo Baoyu participated in Genghis Khan's conquest of Khwarezmia in Central Asia.Guo Kan grew up in the household of Han general Shi Tianze, whose sons all married Mongol womenHan general Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait Nestorian Christian womanAnother one of his sons married the daughter of Mongol official Menggu Baer.Mongols sold their own children incliding daughters as slaves to Han Chinese during the Yuan dynastyhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220278>>13220278Shandong Han noble Duke Yansheng Kong Xixue (Confucius family) married a Mongol woman from the Sulduz tribe.
>>18362290>>18362292The Mongols took Korean girls to give them to Han and Muslim men as slaveshttps://books.google.co.uk/books?id=PDjWpqU55eMC&pg=PA52https://vdoc.pub/documents/empires-twilight-northeast-asia-under-the-mongols-2i7l4ccfsq10https://dokumen.pub/empires-twilight-northeast-asia-under-the-mongols-1nbsped-0674036085-9780674036086.html>Koryŏ women were inseparable from the popularity of things Korean. The first waves of Koryŏ women into the Mongol empire arrived as captives seized during the bloody fighting of the mid-thirteenth century. These women were variously used as slaves, married to recently surrendered Southern Song soldiers, or distributed as war booty to Mongol warriors. Late in the thirteenth century, Qubilai and other Mongol aristocrats began to demand women from elite Koryŏ families as wives and consorts. Despite initial efforts to avoid these demands, the Korean government eventually responded by establishing government bureaus to organize and control the flow of Koryŏ women to the Mongol empire. What had begun as the seizure of women as war booty evolved into a complex system of formal tribute between the ruling houses of Koryŏ and the Mongol empire. Yuan envoys regularly traveled to Koryŏ to secure women on behalf of the emperor, who often redistributed them as gifts to leading ministers. Yuan envoys and Yuan officials stationed in Koryŏ also requested Koryŏ brides for themselves.
>>18362290>>18362292>>18362296https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/18042156/#q18042184Kublai Khan gave Korean women to Omani merchants. Zero Han women were handed out to foreigner merchants.https://en.unesco.org/silkroad/knowledge-bank/inscription-memory-sayyid-bin-abu-aliAn Inscription in Memory of Sayyid Bin Abu AliThe relations between China and Oman in the eleventh to fifteenth centuries can be witnessed in the existence of Omani names in Chinese literature from this époque. Sayyid Bin Abu Ali was an Omani who appears to have lived in China in the thirteenth century, marrying a Korean lady and dying in Beijing in 1299. His life is commemorated in an inscription, an important trace of the international mobility that was possible across Central Asia in this period.https://en.unesco.org/silkroad/sites/default/files/knowledge-bank-article/an%20inscription%20in%20memory%20of%20sayyid%20bin%20abu%20ali.pdfhttps://en.unesco.org/silkroad/content/did-you-know-sayyid-bin-abu-ali-true-representative-intercultural-relations-along-maritimehttps://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nVVoRKSZxagC&pg=PA122&lpg=PA122&dq=propose+to+reexamine+an+inscription+of+the+Mongol-.+Yuan+period+relating+to+an+Omani+in+China,+and+to+give+a&source=bl&ots=eej3OhzrJv&sig=ACfU3U2QR9-EeZNG3VNgd_UahBODdnGKNA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiImtW3_O71AhUEjIkEHWCsC88Q6AF6BAgtEAI#v=onepage&q=propose%20to%20reexamine%20an%20inscription%20of%20the%20Mongol-.%20Yuan%20period%20relating%20to%20an%20Omani%20in%20China%2C%20and%20to%20give%20a&f=falsehttps://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zRPbecWnkoIC&pg=PA123&lpg=PA123&dq=%22bo+ha+li%22+%22to+a+korean+girl%22&;;;;;The Emperor ( namely Yuan Cheng Zhong ] married him to a Korean girl . ... identified Bu A Li ( Abu'Ali ) of Yuan Shi with Bo Ha Li of the Korean source .
>>18362298Kublai Khan handed out Korean girls to Han Chinese men and foreign Muslims in China.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7877569/#q7878460https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10828773/#q10830396https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12668741/#q12672821Kublai Khan gave Korean girls to Muslim foreign men like Sayyid Abu Ali the Omani Arab from Mabar in India. He forced Korea to pay massive tribute in slave girls.
>>18359568The Mongols literally raped and massacred Jurchens (Manchus).Genghis Khan took Jurchen princess Qiguo as his concubine.
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