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Is Judaism really the foundation of Western Civilization?
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Yes, it actually is. Jews believe in liberal mercantilism, which is the foundation of modern western civilization. Their focus on pilpul and legalism is why many of them became part of western liberal causes early on.
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Jews couldn't build a single civilization in the last 2,500 years.

Their entire existence has been parasitic. Everything they achieve or create has been after moving to countries and cities that have the infrastructure and momentum for them to feed off of. Jews cannot function without hosts. They're wholly reliant on existing civilization because they can't build any on their own.
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>>18360208
>Jews couldn't build a single civilization in the last 2,500 years.
Jews are literally responsible for every single civilization of the past 300 years though
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>>18360211
>Jews are literally responsible for every single civilization of the past 300 years though
Being a managerial caste doesn't make you the inventor of civilization. The Jewish role in recent civilizations has been entirely supplementary or parasitic.

The civilization gets built, then Jews move in to profit and/or to restructure it. Russia already existed. USA already existed. France and Britain already existed. Andalus already existed.

>>18360203
>Yes, it actually is. Jews believe in liberal mercantilism, which is the foundation of modern western civilization.
Muslims were dominating trade and globalized trade up until the Age of Exploration. Jews couldn't have started or popularized mercantilism either because they had no states of their own and existed within other states.
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>>18360208
>>18360214
>Jews aren't the master race they're just responsible for everything I don't like
Chuds paradox
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>>18360201
Newsmax just knows their audience so instead of saying the basis of the modern Western world goes back to the Greeks and Enlightenment era philosophy, they say the free world exists because of a bronze age people and the latest iteration of them.
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>>18360201
Every person who thinks Christianity had a central role in Europe's development believes this whether they want to admit it or not.
>>18360203
I suppose this is true, i.e. if you think liberalism is a legitimate growth of Western Civilization then yes, you just get a different pyramid but at the base still stands judaism.
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>>18360217
But anon clearly said they are responsible for ruining everything he likes, its not his paradox, its your illiteracy that is the issue.
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>>18360201
i think it's the wheel. debate me
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>>18360201
Pretty hard to argue with that chart.
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>>18360508
Judaism is a false religion that appeared after Christianity.
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>>18360606
Qrd?
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>>18360606
Here’s a clear, historically grounded critique of that claim, without endorsing or attacking any religion. The goal is simply to show why the statement is factually incorrect on multiple levels.

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1. Judaism is far older than Christianity
Judaism is one of the oldest continuous monotheistic traditions in the world.

- The core texts of Judaism (Torah, Prophets, Writings) were completed centuries before Christianity emerged.
- The Second Temple stood from 516 BCE to 70 CE.
- Jewish law, ritual, and identity were already well‑established long before the 1st century.

Christianity originated within Judaism, not the other way around.

So the claim that Judaism “appeared after Christianity” is historically impossible.

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2. Christianity began as a Jewish movement
Early Christianity emerged in the 1st century CE among:

- Jewish teachers
- Jewish followers
- Jewish scriptures
- Jewish messianic expectations

Jesus, his earliest followers, and the authors of the New Testament were all Jewish. Christianity only became a distinct religion later, as it spread to non‑Jewish communities.

So Christianity is historically downstream from Judaism, not the reverse.

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3. Calling Judaism “false” is a theological judgment, not a historical fact
Different religions make different truth claims.
But from a historical perspective:

- Judaism existed long before Christianity
- Judaism did not originate as a reaction to Christianity
- Judaism has its own internal continuity, texts, and traditions

Labeling it “false” is a matter of personal belief, not something supported by historical evidence.

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4. The claim reverses the actual timeline
If someone argues:

> “Judaism is false because it came after Christianity,”

they’re basing that on a chronological misunderstanding.
Judaism predates Christianity by hundreds to thousands of years, depending on which historical markers you use.
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>>18360641
Wow, thanks chatGPT!
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>>18360641
What in the everloving fuck is the point of outsourcing your 4chan posting to AI?
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>>18360646
>>18360650
Concession accepted.
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>>18360201
Israel really be controlling USA
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>>18360201
Reminder that western civilization is represented in the bible as the statue of Daniel that will be destroyed by the everlasting Kingdom of God.
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>>18360211
they are responsible for creating modern banking to siphon off their wealth I guess
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>>18360214
Egypt already existed when Joseph set up shop.
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>>18360646
>>18360650
Christian Identity brain rot is not worth using human brain power against.
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>>18360201
No, It was founded by Germanic christians larping as Romans and competing with one another, thereby honing militarism and promoting individualism.
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>>18362022
>thereby honing militarism and promoting individualism.
With both backfiring
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>>18360201
Yes, in the modern day. Western civilization feels like a misnomer too. Should just be called Jewish civilization or Judeo-American civilization.
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>>18360302
Western civilization has been defined by various species of liberalism for three hundred years even if whichever chuuni ideology you subscribe to this month is against that
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>>18362051
So you agree with OP's image?
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>>18362055
I would stress the Hellenistic aspects of Christianity more than OP's image does but basically yes
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>>18360201
The Greco-Romans are the founders and builders of Western Civilization, not the Judeo-Christians who only spread subversive Jewish poison and falsehoods. Democracy, constitutions, senates, republics, the Latin script, civil law, the Olympics, the Hippocratic Oath, art, philosophy, science, engineering, theatre, history, etc.

>It is difficult to overstate the impact that Greece has had upon Western culture and history. Classical Greece has given birth to some of the greatest artists, philosophers, scientists, historians, dramatists and warriors the world has known. Greek warriors and colonists spread their culture throughout the Mediterranean and into the Near and Far East. The heirs to Greece, the Romans, further promulgated Greek thought throughout Europe, and from there it spread across the oceans and into the New World.

>Greece and her people are credited with an astonishing number of inventions and discoveries, including the first theatrical performance, work of history, and philosophic treatise. The Greeks provided the West's first recorded sporting event, poem, and building dedicated to theatre. In politics, the Greeks created the world's first known democracy and republic. Greek influence is still all around us: today's doctors still take the Hippocratic Oath, and modern architects still look to classical Greek forms for inspiration. To a large degree, Western civilization is Classical Greek civilization.

>The Roman Empire is the most remarkable and long-lived political entity in the history of Western Civilization. It was founded around the 8th century BC, and portions of it survived until the 15th century AD. The Romans were great innovators in some areas, and they were not shy about appropriating good ideas they found in other cultures. They greatly shaped Western culture, law, art, architecture, religion, language, and warfare.
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Intact imperial Greco-Roman chads who conquer and build civilization >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mutilated jewish gypsies who dwell in ghettos and suck baby dicks
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Can't wait for the Zionist psyop to be over when everyone will finally see these people for the retarded paid shills that they are.
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>>18360302
>they mostly used wood when they built the house so that means the concrete foundation must also be made out of wood
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>>18360201
In a sense yes.
Certainly the foundation of modernity.
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>>18360201
Christian tolerance of jews is a modern phenomenon that didn't exist before ww2. You're watching jew propagandists trying to rewrite history in real time, but the baby dick suckers have a 2k years history of getting cucked and tricked out of their assets so I'd expect purge 110 any time.
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>>18360214
Does Israel have a right to exist?
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>>18362744
The can exist, but they aren't "israel"
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>>18362744
no
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>>18362736
that it happened is mainly a ploy to convince Jews to gradually assimilate and convert. back in the 19th century certain rabbis distrusted the idea of Jewish integration into mainstream society for this very reason.
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>>18362744
>right
What does that even mean?
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>>18362744
Legally, but not morally and certainly not theologically.
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>>18362753
>ploy
The only ploy is lying jew shits trying to convince anyone that jews are in any way beneficial to anybody.
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>>18362795
Oy vey goy! You don't understand! Having a class of elites that have contempt for you and look down on anyone not part of their exclusive little club is actually good for you! Oy the anti-Semitism!!!
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>>18362795
Ibrahim, you had how many chances to invade and destroy Israel? And you totally blew all of them.
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>>18360201
Retarded shit.
Modern Western world is a child of Rome and Roman civic values and civicsm. Christian morality plays a big role in the West, but Christian morality = / = Judaism. If Christians had the same values as Jews, they would be Jews.
Also modern Talmudic Judaism has nothing to do with the Essenes sect of Judaism that Christianity was birthed from. Modern Talmudic Judaism emerged from Iraq around 500ce.
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>>18362731
You'll have to explain your schizophrenic outburst to me.
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>>18360208
>Jews cannot function without hosts.
Lemba Jews built Great Zimbabwe? By enslaving the local blacks? And taking black women as brides?
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>>18362855
You spoke of Christianity being central to the development of Europe, but that's an entirely different topic from what was the foundation. Even when our ancestors were in their most fanatical Christian phase they still looked back on the pagans of old as the founders of their nations and all of European civilization, that's our actual foundation.
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>>18360214
>The Jewish role in recent civilizations has been entirely supplementary or parasitic.
Lmao goy cope
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Western Civilization comes out of - Christianity & Rome & Germanic traditions, and was then further established through the renaissance and enlightenment era.

Christianity comes out of - Judaism & Hellenistic traditions & Christ's philosophy

OPs image would make more sense if it had Judaism among these other factors, and even more sense if it made it clear that Christ's philosophy was a major break from Jewish traditions (major enough to cause a schism in the pre-Christian Judean religion).

They could then add that Judaism had further influence on an already established Western Civilization in the last few hundred years, about as important to the current form as the colonial era importing ideas from non-Western Civilizations. But then Judaism was also just as or more heavily influenced by the enlightenment west, so they'd also need to show that modern Judaism is the result of reforms that came from Western Civilization.
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>>18362712
>Judeo-Christians
Before White Supremacy, the Catholic Pope organized and militarized The Holy League and Crusade Tax, to defend white people from Muslim Conquest and Enslavement.
"WHITE" is originally an Arab concept as in "white slaves" (SAQALIBA ).
Islam has been fighting "White" Supremacy for 1440 years, and has halal enslaved millions of "white" supremacists that refused to submit and Pay Jizya.
By the early 1800s, White Supremacists had built up enough military power to stop paying Tribute/ Jizya/ Ransom to the Arab/Muslim enslavers of white people. Jefferson bombed Tripoli to free the white slaves ( not only Americans). And America fought the Second Barbary War to free the white slaves ( not only Americans) again. Then in 1816, England joined the GLOBAL WHITE SUPREMACY and English Lord Exmouth bombed Algeria to free the White (and black) slaves of the Islamic State. In 1830, the Democracy of France joined the Global White Supremacy and bombed/Invaded/ colonized Algeria to free the White slaves ( not only French). Italy joined and invaded Lybia to free all the slaves.
England was still hunting and shooting at Islamic slaver ships in the late 1800s. Example: 1888 Zanzibar slave ship.
The key inventions by white people that empowered them to defeat the AntiRacist Islamic Enslavers and Islamic state were: Industrialization/ Capitalism, New World resources ( trees, iron, crops) and African resources ( uncastrated black slaves/ PlantationCapitalism) plus Racism ( the idea that people of color should not have "white" slaves). The Americans were the leaders in establishing White Supremacy/Racism as a Unifying Principle ( Joint Military Doctrine) that enabled white people to cooperate to defeat the AntiRacist Armies of the Islamic State. The French Kings delayed a Global White Supremacy for several centuries by the French-Ottoman Alliance, which almost caused the Islamic Conquest of Europe and America at the 1683 Siege of Vienna).
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>>18362744
White Supremacists created modern Israel to continue their plan to DIVIDE AND WEAKEN the ISLAMIC UMMAH so ummah could not make Caliphate and enslave White People again.
"WHITE" is originally an Arab concept as in "white slaves" (SAQALIBA ).
Islam fought "White" Supremacy for 1440 years, and has halal enslaved millions of "white" supremacists that refused to submit and Pay Jizya.
By the early 1800s, White Supremacists had built up enough military power to stop paying Tribute/ Jizya/ Ransom to the Arab/Muslim enslavers of white people. Jefferson bombed Tripoli to free the white slaves ( not only Americans). And America fought the Second Barbary War to free the white slaves ( not only Americans) again. Then in 1816, England joined the GLOBAL WHITE SUPREMACY and English Lord Exmouth bombed Algeria to free the White (and black) slaves of the Islamic State. In 1830, the Democracy of France joined the Global White Supremacy and bombed/Invaded/ colonized Algeria to free the White slaves ( not only French). Italy joined and invaded Lybia to free all the slaves.
England was still hunting and shooting at Islamic slaver ships in the late 1800s. Example: 1888 Zanzibar slave ship.
The key inventions by white people that empowered them to defeat the AntiRacist Islamic Enslavers and Islamic state were: Industrialization/ Capitalism, New World resources ( trees, iron, crops) and African resources ( uncastrated black slaves/ PlantationCapitalism) plus Racism ( the idea that people of color should not have "white" slaves). The Americans were the leaders in establishing White Supremacy/Racism as a Unifying Principle ( Joint Military Doctrine) that enabled white people to cooperate to defeat the AntiRacist Armies of the Islamic State. The French Kings delayed a Global White Supremacy for several centuries by the French-Ottoman Alliance, which almost caused the Islamic Conquest of Europe and America at the 1683 Siege of Vienna).
Islrael is a Tool of the Global White Supremacy.
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>>18362918
it is partially correct; Israel is a convenient tool for carrying out assorted Western interests in the Middle East and having a friendly government to control the Christian holy sites there instead of a Muslim state.
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>>18362925
>friendly government to control the Christian holy sites there instead of a Muslim state.
Yes, the White Supremacists no longer have to Crusade and Hospitaler into Jerusalem. Jews take the brunt of attacks and the casualties from the Hostile Muslims who are denied Islamic Rule in Jerusalem etc. Jews/Israel have replaced Knights Hospitaler to maintain access to the remaining Holy Sites ( the sites that Muslims did not totally demolish, or which were demolished by Muslims and then a church built as a marker). More broadly, Isreal exists as a target of Muslim Ummah hostility, like the RED CAPE OF A BULLFIGHTER. The refusal of Israel ( Armed by American White Supremacists) to submit to Islamic Rule ( By the Jordanean Muslims/ Hamastinians) is simply a continuation of the White Supremacist Violence that had historically deprived Muslims of White Slaves ( Saqaliba) and had deprived the Caliphate of the lands and slaves of Europe and the New World.
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>>18362871
What part of "central role in Europe's development" was unclear? If you think that paganism is the foundation then clearly Christianity wasn't central.
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>>18362954
Christianity shaped what was already there, it did not supplant it.
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>>18362925
> partially correct
What part is not allowed to be correct? What is the source of correctness?
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>>18360214
Literally the difference between spanish/portuguese catholic imperialism and british/dutch colonial mercantilism is the fact that the jews were in charge of one and not the other and jewish finance singlehandedly created the modern era.
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>>18360203
>Liberal mercantile is the foundation of modern west
ignores the ROMANS, GREEKS, and THE HOLY LEAGUE.
White people of Europe first united partially under the Roman Empire. And later partially united under THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE. White people united under the UNITED WHITE SUPREMACIST STATES OF AMERICA ( especially during /after WW2). The European Union has competed, but is subverting the Defense of Europe by committing White Replacement.
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>>18360201
Indigenous european "philosophy" is too perverted and beastly to constitute a true intellectual base. It leads to gay epsteinism (Greeks) or Naked howling (Northern euro).

Europe required the synthesis of these confused thoughts with the morality and discipline of Semitic faith. A Romano-Greek europe could not have conquered the world. But one that devoutly worshipped Yeshu ben Yosuf did.
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>>18362999
>jewish finance singlehandedly created the modern era.
JEWISH FINANCE WAS A BANDAIDE TO OVERCOME THE CHRISTIAN BAN ON USERY?
The Pope's CRUSADE TAX on New World Silver financed the professional/mercenary Armies of the Antemurale Defense of Europe and America from Islamic Conquest and Enslavement.
New World Silver paid for the Spanish Armadas ( at Battle of Lepanto) that excluded the Muslims from the New World and largely protected Europe from islamic state Conquest and Enslavement.
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>>18362999
Jewish finance only dominated the slave trade, other sectors, even banking, were primarily run by goyim from top to bottom.
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The real skinny is that Jews were only dominant in finance and trade in the Dark Ages and up to the 12th century when Europe was weak and lacked a stable economy or strong state institutions. By the 13th century Christian Europeans had begun getting into banking and Jews' importance in that sector declined.

tl;dr they served a useful function at one point but Europe eventually outgrew the need to have a middleman minority do many of these jobs
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>>18362736
>Christian tolerance of jews ... didn't exist before ww2
Poland, a Cristian Kingdom, was infamous for welcoming and harboring Jews before WW1? This is why Hitler found so many Jews residing in Poland that he built multiple work camps to employ the Jews? Shindler's List type slave camps were in Poland?
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>>18363103
>Jewish finance only dominated the slave trade,
Can you provide links supporting and clarifying this? Jews directly operated CASTRATION CENTERS to castrate enslaved white men ( in Prague, Verdun, and Naples)? Then whites dicovered New World and shifted from white serfs to black slaves stolen from the Arabs, the jews ( only) fianced this black slave trade of stolen black slaves? Do JEWS OWE REPARATIONS to the Muslims for financing the WHITE SUPREMACIST theft of black slaves from the Muslims?
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>>18363065
>A Romano-Greek europe could not have conquered the world.
This is dubious. BEFORE JESUS, the Roman Empire extended from England and Spain to ... east of Persia, and the whole Mediterranean? Christianity is generally viewed as weakening the Roman Empire ( making the Christianized legion soldiers unwilling to fight)? So how could that same religion cause a more powerful Roman Empire? Not until long after the Muslims attacked the Roman Empire ( taking the Roman cities and Roman women in North Africa and Spain) did Popes begin to militarize the remnants and extensions of Christian Rome (The Holy Roman Empire, The Holy League, against Islamic Conquest)? And even after that, Muslims still conquered the last Roman cities ( Constantinople).
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>>18362969
And if that's the case then you just end up with a dual base layer with judaism occupying one half...



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