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How is free will compatible with God's omnipotence and omniscience?
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>>18360404
It's not. Religion is schizo nonsense.
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If he is omnipotent, he is capable of creating a world in which those things are compatible.
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>>18360404
God knows for a fact what will happened in the future not because it is destined to happen but because he is that smart to deduce it.
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>>18360404
Define free will
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>>18360433
This is incompatible with the nature of God and implies His knowledge is the same as our knowledge. God is He who is conditioned by none, and conditions all, but this would have Him conditioned by the world which is itself conditioned by nothing according to His knowledge and its fate, and make His manner of knowing and relating to the world the same in substance as our own, only of a higher degree.
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>>18360404
Easy:
By the fact that you are made *in his image

Omnipotence and omniscience doesn't mean anything by the fact that you are NOT a material being.
You are an eternal creature designed to share God's glory. You were given divine mandate to dictate your eternity far beyond the limitations of past, present, and future

You are not a material being.
Materials can be pushed, and it won't stop until stopped
The Lord can resurrect the dead in front of you and you could still reject him
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>>18360443
>only of a higher degree.
God became aware of the very end before the beginning even began. It's not just a simple higher degree.
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>>18360477
Very true, but this contradicts the assertion that God knows the future by deducing it.
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>>18360469
Is this some actual christsemite lunatic or someone doing propaganda against them?
Either way.
Semites hate the world and all living beings.
Why else they would reject live and strive towards some forever drug induced heaven?
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>Is this some actual christsemite lunatic or someone doing propaganda against them?
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>>18360485
According to your answer it is something posted by a tankie.
Communism is religion worse than semitism.
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>>18360480
He couldn't have deduced in his infinite and glorious mind all that would happen it he set the first fear in motion and then go ahead and set it in the exact motion?
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>>18360510
This is not an external knowledge of the world nor would be rightly called a deduction, but belongs to His natural knowledge, that is, His knowledge of Himself and all He could do. But natural knowledge only informs God of what would be if He willed to create it, His knowledge of what actually will come to pass is His free knowledge, and proceeds from the creative decree.
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>>18360519
Knowing all things means you know the exact effects of every single cause.
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>>18360531
What does this mean and what does it have to do with anything?
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>>18360544
It means deduction.
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>>18360404
There is either a God or there is a god.
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>>18360404
It isn't and a child of three could see it.
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>>18360631
idgi
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>>18360404
Although you're born free, God have no direct interference over your freedom
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>>18360404
The one question is: can God know what will happen in the future definitely (i.e. what people are going to do)? If the answer is yes, then there can be no free will.

One possible definition of omniscience is knowing every possible branching scenario due to knowing every knowable information and every rule of cause and effect down to the subatomic level, but when there is an uncertainty that is, when someone is making a free choice, God does not know for 100% what that person is going to choose. He only knows all the consequences of the choice immediately.

Think of it this way: let's say you playi chess against God. There are a finitie number of ways a chess game can play out (about 10^120 for a 40-step game), and of course God knows all of them, so he knows all of your possible moves and developments, think millions of steps ahead and always have the best response to your moves and always win. But, he cannot predict exactly which of the possible moves you actually will make next. He can make a good prediction based on statistics (your pervious games etc.), but it will never be 100% because that's what free will means.
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>>18361342
>can God know what will happen in the future definitely
no, but God can predict all possible outcomes
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>>18361390
God has a superpower to never be wrong
if he predicts I will eat cinnamon crunch for breakfast tomorrow. It is in fact impossible for me to choose toast, it would entail a contradiction - God being wrong.
Means that I'm not free to choose my breakfast
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>>18361390
Heresy
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>>18361498
>God has a superpower to never be wrong
But God super rarely use it, so it doesn't interfere with the flow the universe
>if he predicts
why would God need to make a prediction when faced with an infinite amount of plausible states that can happen as what we define as "fate", what's the fun in knowing and predicting of what's going to happen. order emerges from chaos, and that's maybe what God is observing
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>>18361176
either God gave you free will, or the world is so deterministic there had to be some kind of mind to organize it. unless the world is still in some chaotic state but why doesn't it collapse then
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>>18361639
Look, if you don't believe God is all knowing. This is not gonna be a problem for you.
This is only a problem for people who think God knows everything.



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