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Which of Man's first crop was the ultimate crop?
Crop tier list?
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Barley top, millet bottom.
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>>18360723
Millet is drought resistant and doesnt need fertile soil. has more iron in them too. Not to mention they only take 3 months or so to grow.
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>>18360737
It's a nightmare to process.
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>>18360738
Aight fair enough
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>>18360719
potato
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>>18360746
Thats not the first crop man came up with
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>>18360719
Rice is the most calorie efficient when compared to the input required to grow it.
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>>18360779
Has no nutrients once its polished
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>>18360774
>The potato was the first domesticated root vegetable in the region of modern-day southern Peru and extreme northwestern Bolivia[1] between 8000 and 5000 BC.
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>>18360779
Isn't it labor intensive?
>>18360719
Potatoes, crazy to think how OP the Old World would have been if they were given access to it immediately.
It seems the game master gave Eurasia all of the good domesticates but gave the Americas good staple crops in exchange.
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Agriculture ruined humanity
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>>18361017
No, the industrial revolution, the invention of the internal combustion engine & automobiles, and the assembly line

It turned humanity into wageslaves
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>>18361017
Adam ruined humanity.
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Maize is stupidly OP, there's a reason that Mesoamerica had a fuckzillion people despite developing civilization late and having no other civilizations around to trade with and learn things from. It not only gives you a shitload of nutrition, it provides an environment for other crops to grow around it like beans and squash, allowing you to get an absurd amount of calories from a very small plot. It's also the most grown crop on the planet now.
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Buckwheat is master
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>>18360913
I thought horses were American and the proto injuns just ate them all.
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>>18361471
They had horses yes, camels too. I'm not sure if hunting was the deciding thing for them going extinct but it was certainly a major factor. The Americas had a TON of megafauna die off pretty recently due to a ton of major ecological and climate changes.
It's pretty fascinating, American plants haven't actually adapted to this change yet, if you know what you're looking for you'll see tons of adaptations that are clearly specifically for interacting with megafauna, like thorns too high for any modern animal to reach, or fruits that no modern animal will touch since they were meant to be eaten by giant sloths. Some plants are actually doomed to go extinct without human intervention because of this, many of them can only reproduce downhill since theres no megafauna to eat their seeds and carry them around.
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>>18361471
>>18361480
Wild horses survived until early Sumer in Alaska and Yukon but even there they got wiped out
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>>18360779
Rice requires massive irrigation for low return.
Literally one of the reason why Europe went ahead of China in development: China had to dedicate more land, resources and people to produce food.

To answer OP question, barley was the most basic crop during the early civilizations in Mesopotamia and Egypt, most likely followed by wheat.
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>>18361564
The earliest civilizations were not in Mesopotamia or Egypt
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>>18361583
Where then? Philippines?
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I asked AI and it said of all crops in 5000 BC barley is king based on labor land and nutriotion so theres that.
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>>18361438
>be literal stone age cannibalistic warmongers
>use maize
>have enough surplus food to support cities greater than most from europe
Maize ftw now and forever
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>>18361017
VGH PRE NEOLITHIC REVOLUTION MAN
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>>18361640
I think they just didnt have the urban penalty applied to them due to lack of or fewer domesticated animals and shit. The old world was repeatedly ravaged by pox plague and the other shit
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Is it ethical to go full kike and use fertilizers heavily for max yield and only monocrop, leading to environmental damage and loss in soil fertility through acidification and depletion of topsoil and nutrients, jeapordizing national security and future generations? All for quick bucks?
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>>18361438

That's not how maize functions. It's an extremely resource intensive cereal that taxes the shit out of the soil. It's why the Meso-Americans and NA natives had to create a special agricultural system just to make sure the cereal didn't destroy the arable land around it.

>>18361564

>Rice requires massive irrigation for low return.

False. Rice can be farmed wet or dry. Wet is preferred primarily for killing weeds and pests, but also because the crop prefers moisture rich environments. Rice can be planted three times a year compared to wheat and because of that a rice field will generate yields higher in weight per acre than wheat. It's the reason why China and India have always had massive populations, and why 50% of the world uses it as their primary cereal crop.

>Literally one of the reason why Europe went ahead of China in development: China had to dedicate more land, resources and people to produce food.

Not even remotely true. What spurred European development was the Colombian Exchange and colonization as a whole.

Posts like these remind me that this board is full of midwits who don't even have basic knowledge of the most important cereal crops and how they have impacted human civilization.
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>>18361721
>That's not how maize functions. It's an extremely resource intensive cereal that taxes the shit out of the soil. It's why the Meso-Americans and NA natives had to create a special agricultural system just to make sure the cereal didn't destroy the arable land around it.
Yeah and then they used that special agricultural system to sustain fuckhuge and very well fed populations.
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Barley is a good all around grain.

In terms of superior crops though nothing beats potatoes and people have been farming those for thousands of years in the Americas.
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>>18360796
Carbohydrate is a macronutrient, which aside from Vitamin C is really all plants are good for.
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>>18361782
>what is potassium
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>>18361786
An electrolyte, easily obtained from animal products, as animals contain potassium.
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>>18360719
Rice is most efficient but also the most labor intensive and has very strict conditions on where it can be grown.
Corn/Maize is second best when it comes to efficiency but in return doesn't need the amount of labor can be grown practically anywhere, and can even be grown in conjunction with other crops like squash and beans in the same hole. Its only downside is that you need to know to nixtalimize if it's your staple crop.
Everything else is just straight inferior to those two.
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>wheat
>barley
>rye
Good for brewing.

>rice
Good for feeding people.

>maize
>oats
Good for feeding livestock.

>millet
Good for feeding Africans.
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the cereals tremble in fear of the almighty potato
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>>18360719
I saw a video the other day about the concept of "Maslin"; where you plant both wheat and barley intermixed in the same field. You harvest, grind, and then bake both into your bread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzLAZB2EfWA
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>>18361835
Northern china farmed millet
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>>18361471
The space catastrophe ended them
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