>unpopular in 1948 and 1952>popular with historians in current yearwhat's up with that?
>>18375798A modern historian’s interpretation of World War II usually differs wildly from that of the average 1950s citizen who just got back from the war.
>>18375798The MacArthur hero cult died out in the 50s.
>>18375798antiunion
>>18376826>MacArthur was recalled to active duty in July 1941 as commander of U.S. Army Forces in the Far East. A large portion of his air forces were destroyed on 8 December 1941 in the Japanese attack on Clark Field, and an invasion of the Philippines followed. MacArthur's forces withdrew to Bataan, where they held out until April 1942. In March 1942, MacArthur escaped to Australia, where he was appointed Supreme Commander of the Southwest Pacific Area in April. He promised that he would return to the Philippines, and for his defense of the islands was awarded the Medal of Honor in 1942. From Australia, he commanded the New Guinea campaign, and in October 1944 returned to the Philippines and led the campaign which liberated the islands. In December 1944, he was promoted to General of the Army.>At the end of the war, MacArthur accepted the surrender of Japan on 2 September 1945. As the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers and effective ruler of Japan, he oversaw the war crimes tribunals retard
>>18376340Thanks, hippies.
>>18375831You should hear what they said about Ulysses Grant in his lifetime, not as hagiographic as it is to modern historians.
>>18377084It was self inflicted. His handling of the opening Chinese offensive during the Korean war was shitaly tier retardation. He single handedly assured permanent communist possession of North Korea. He should have honestly been hung along with Edward Almond for this disgrace
>>18375798we now know the loss of china was inevitable due to chiang's corruption and incompetence, but at the time people thought the only reason US foreign policy goals could possibly fail was because America hadn't done enough
>>18377295Lincoln as well, though people generally viewed him favorably he was not beloved and had many critics. It was his assassination that really made him a hero.
>>18377369imagine being names almond
>>18375798I cant believe people still talk about some retard Democrat who came up in an obscenely corrupt, dem political machine in fill-in-the-blank city, it was KC but it doesnt matter, it could have been any shithole run by 'progressives' and it wouldnt make a differenceWhose only claim to fame was riding FDRs coattails and being lucky enough to be the backup qb when the starter took a shit and diedCompletely forgettable New Deal dumbshit with public policy stances that I would be disappointed if my 17 year old son repeated out loudThe only thing worse for this moron other than losing to Dwight Eisenhower in the general election would have been Ike running in the Dem primary and losing to him there
>>18378080>with public policy stances that I would be disappointed if my 17 year old son repeated out loudcare to elaborate?>The only thing worse for this moron other than losing to Dwight Eisenhower in the general electionTruman never lost a presidential election. Truman didnt run against Ike in 1952
>>18375798>popular with historians in current year>what's up with that?who cares, just keep reading your books
>>18378129you sound like a thirdie retard
>>18378134you sound like you care about promotions too much
>>18378135I have no idea what you are yapping about, retard
>>18378140i've got lots of ideas, unlike you.. sucks to be you i guess
>>18378448you have clearly never had a single thought in your life, homo
>>18375798>literal shabbos goy who was parachuted into the vice presidency to stop a socialist from becoming president when FDR croakedgee I wonder
>>18375798he was a shabbos goy
>>18378459you're just too erectus about homos, you will never understand
>>18378499you sound like you jerk off to the smell of your own farts
>>18378501i ventilate my blankets of my farts, unlike your intellectual flatulence that soils the fabric of time
>>18378533nah, you clearly dutch oven yourself and jerk off
>>18378539my farts are full of clean shit, whereas yours carry devilish mater
>>18378565see, I was right, homo
>>18377369>His handling of the opening Chinese offensive during the Korean war was shitaly tier retardation.Indeed, Truman got suckered by Stalin's blatantly obvious bait right when the US was poised to roll back the Chinese invasion back across the Yalu River liberate the entire Korean peninsula and now N.Korea has nukes and are a perpetual pain in the ass.
>>18378648This has nothing to do with Truman. MacArthur ran the show and kept Washington in the dark about the actual situation. He deliberately ignored 2 months of intelligence on the 300k strong Chinese army that was poised to counterattack.He dismissed the hundreds of Chinese POWs that were turning up in NK units and insisted the war was over. All the other generals advised him to form a defensive line north of Pyongyang where the numerically inferior NATO forces could dig in along the narrowest part of the peninsula. Real time Intelligence from interrogated Chinese soldiers had estimated over 100k Chinese already in theater but MacArthur with advice from Almond agreed that China was physically incapable of intervening and the Chinese soldiers were like seeing "Mexicans in Texas." He legitimately deluded himself into believing the war had already been won. He then thinned out all the ROK and NATO forces in a haphazard northward push and individually sent units by themselves to secure the Yalu river border.The Chinese offensive started immediately after and almost obliterated the overstretched US and ROK armies, wiping out isolated units in quick succession. Quick thinking from general Walker and completely suicidal action from the British battalions and US marines saved the situation.MacArthur was then fired, should have been court martialed. I piss on his grave
>>18378677I'm no MacArthur fanboy, he was purely an administrator (and a good one) who should never have been given combat command but the fact is the US State Dept. could provide him with no information on what was going on in China and literally everybody at the time believed they had been too fucked up by the civil war-WWII-civil war to be a valid threat and besides, he was already out by the time Truman took Stalin's bait of a cease fire and ruined any chance of an American counter attack in the summer of 1951, turning the Korean War into a pointless WWI style trench warfare stalemate.Truman lost the Korean War, not MacArthur.
>>18375798He was wrong about everything but also we are living in his world not Roosevelt's not Eisenhower's and definitely not Kennedy's
>>18378891elaborate
>>18379332Roosevelt was open to working with the soviets and China but Truman leans into the conflict and loses remaining good will with China.Eisenhower warned about the growing military industrial complex as it could control the US's foreign policy and push capital away from more useful industries but Truman keeps the war economy going in peace time.Kennedy wanted to expand civil rights and put the CIA in a cage but Truman allowing them to act with impunity meant he would never be able to control it even after he fired all of their heads of staff.
>>18379641It was not really foreseeable that the communists would win the chinese civil war, when in 1946 the Nationalists had 3x more soldiers that were also much better armed and equipped than the communists, the communists had no planes, tanks, or heavy artillery, and the nationalists controlled more than 75% of the country and more than 90% of its population. I agree that leaning into the conflict was a mistake, and Truman should have either stuck to his decision to cut off military aid to the nationalists during the Marshall Mission instead of turning it back on when peace talks failed, evacuated the 50k US marines in Manchuria, and then kept the US out of the chinese civil war. Or he should have accepted General Barr's plan to have the US, UK and USSR take over Manchuria under international receivership until the nationalists were sufficiently organized to fully take it over. But that would have required probably a quarter of a million US troops, and the communists may have seen it as an act of aggression and started an insurgency against the US forces there.But you are definitely wrong to think that Roosevelt would have behaved differently. He was entirely deferential to Patrick Hurley's nonsensical policy choices, which ultimately boiled down to seeing the nationalists as the only legitimate partner in China, and Chiang as its only viable leader despite knowing full well his undemocratic nature, the corruption of the nationalists, and the extreme repression of his security forces on the Chinese people.
>>18379652Truman was all of the worst parts of Woodrow Wilson, elitist without being remarkable in any way or having a compassion for anything really even Israel which he helped create. He was also seen as cold and authoritarian for imposing his deep state bureaucratic systems with far reaching powers and impunity on the country and forcing the worst parts of US empire aboard.I think Roosevelt would have accepted a winner even if it wasn't the horse he picked to win the race. Truman's blunders against communism were all his own doing unlike other presidents who inherited a conflict, his geopolitical doctrine was adopted because his vision was too narrow and he lacked the imagination or optimism for any alternatives or contingency plans. The world did not have to look like this.
>>18379641>Truman keeps the war economy going in peace time.No he didn't, the US carried out a mass drawdown of its military to the point that there were only 12 active divisions in total when the Korean War broke out (two were light airborne and only one armored div).
>>18379669>I think Roosevelt would have accepted a winner even if it wasn't the horse he picked to win the race.This is really funny to me. You think that's a one way decision america just gets to make? In 1949 the US could not just go to Mao and say "oopsie, sorry for giving billions of dollars to Chiang so he could prosecute a civil war that killed millions of civilians, and was trying to utterly destroy you and everything you stand for. We knew the whole time that he was corrupt and incompetent, and terrorizing all of China, but we weren't expecting him to be THIS incompetent. So, we cool?"
>>18379720While yes there was a draw down ultimately he did set up what would become the military industrial complex.>>18379913The US does this all the time, Roosevelt did it with the soviets and the US would do it with the Chinese anyway. In fact all countries do this, the US had not officially taken a side, they had aided the Kuomintang through private companies and non state actors.
>>18375798Because irs always been a case of >historians in current yearcoming up with thier brand new hot take to justify sitting on their asses all day imagining things of the past instead of getting a real job. "Historian" as a profession has and always will be a grift.
muh desegregation
>>18379669meh Truman was no more than a product of his time and at that time public sentiment towards the USSR was becoming increasingly unfriendly when it became clear that they wanted to colonize Eastern Europe
>>18378080He was completely cucked by the Republican 80th Congress and forced to end most New Deal policies and pass Taft-Hartley.
>>18379913This is essentially Iran and NKs take(and several others). Its also Poland's stance against RussiaAnd its not a wrong take. But its often ignored entirely in favor of long term global trade, which has its own set of globohomo pedophile epstein problems.
>>18380181>While yes there was a draw down ultimately he did set up what would become the military industrial complex.The Military-Industrial Complex had already been set up in WWII and on a truly massive scale.
>>18381472that pic is crazy
>>18381472>war industry at full tilt during war timewow>>18380772obviously not or he would not have been so unpopular at the time
>>18377660same with JFK
