What are your favorite /his/torical movies, documentaries, and tv shows? What are you currently watching and what would you recommend?
>>18378249Picrel is as good as it gets despite the low (basically inexistent) budget
>villain is evil because...he's ambitious
>>18378252>IS THERE ANYONE IN ROME WHO HAS NOT SLEPT WITH MY DAUGHTER
>>18378249I like The Last Kingdom, it was pretty good except for the movie, that kind of sucked. You can put together an almost cohesive chronological narrative if you watch the original Vikings series, then Last Kingdom, then Vikings Valhalla in order.
>>18378249They have to quit making media about the late republic. Why there is no tv or movie about the punic wars or late empire is beyond me. Byzantium too. On another note, pic is pretty good
>>18378249Waterloo
>>18378249I like Silence (2016) and The Last Emperor (1987)
Not history but i like life after people for speculation on future history
>>18378734THE «SILENCE» MOVIES ARE BASED ON A NOVEL.
>>18378737So? I know this.
>>18378745LOOK AT THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD.
>>18378249the agony and the ecstasy and a man for all seasons are my two favourite history movies. i have no clue about or desire to debate the finer details of the historicity. i like them, thats it. movies which likely ARE in fact dubious/borderline fiction is obviously Amadeus and Lawrence of arabia which are both fun if nothing else. although i assume youve seen both anyways.
>>18378249Where should Claudius go?
Carry On CleoCarry On Up the Khyber
The Duelists and Days of Heaven, for me. Neither are based on actual events but they take such effort to get the dialogue, costumes, politics, and atmosphere of their time periods right that you truly feel like you're just watching their respective eras. Also helps that they're two of the best looking films ever made.>>18378249Been working my way through it, it's excellent. Some of the best character work I've seen in a tv show, and almost every time something absurd happens I check the sources and it's at least somewhat attested. Still very over the top but not as much as you might first think.>>18378797>Amadeus and Lawrence of arabia which are both fun if nothing else.My two all time favorite movies but yeah I wouldn't really call them historical. Maybe Lawrence a bit since the point its making about the politics of the time isn't really unfounded, just simplified for audiences.
>>18378256>To the Tiber with Sejanusseriously, the bastard got off easyevery praetorian scum should have been preemptively crucified after being thrown in the arena to fight lions
>>18378259I feel sad that he died a broken man with the family in shambles after all he had done to show them a better wayhe didn't fail Rome, Rome failed him
>>18378417I'm still waiting for 3rd Century Crisis Kino
>>18378719I feel like Uncle Mel did too good of a job with this oneI can watch any gory horror or liveleak no problem, but the Passion is some heavy heavy stuff. Can't watch it more than once every few years, it feels real
>>18379327>Some of the best character work I've seen in a tv showive personally began to appreciate that this is really because its basically a play and uses actually good, true, actors. i actually was watching a video a few months ago which i thought put very succinctly how/why stage actors are so good (all of claudius being stage actors) 18:29-22:23 https://youtu.be/GmzZZzKWlHE?t=1109 theirs plenty there, but, 21:40 is the key part, "holding together a presence that lasts longer than the scene hes in". the subject of the video isnt very good and you may not enjoy it. but i think its a good clip/section to really speak to what makes "i, claudius" so great. in one of his sopranos videos he has a section where he plays a clip of brian blessed (augustus in 'i, claudius') discussing how i claudius was written and acted in a way that takes into consideration the italian american mob/mafia. which is also really interesting. drawing on how to act out/write roman politics through the contemporary/ cultural understanding of the mob (video: https://youtu.be/ziy9mAAP_yw?t=1235 the statement by brian blessed is at 22:20 but this link starts on the section at 20:35) >My two all time favorite movies but yeah I wouldn't really call them historical. Maybe Lawrence a bit since the point its making about the politics of the time isn't really unfounded, just simplified for audiences.yeah lawrence is only just slightly misses the mark on being historic (at least if you look at its section on wikipedia. which doesnt really bother me that much). most movies will always be somewhat untrue, and in that sense, lawrence is pretty much fine. amadeus is the only fiction really
>>18379524These are fascinating clips, thank you. I guess I really gotta get around to watching The Sopranos. That theater/screen actor dichotomy is interesting (even if it isn't universal), especially since I've seen many stage actors who I thought were a bit cheesy in the filmed productions I've seen who were then marvelous on television. I think it has something to do with how broad you have to play it to a physical audience who may be somewhat far away, it works in person but when the camera is up close on that performance it feels phony. But then when they get to play it for the camera specifically they're phenomenal. Maybe because you can't cut away on stage, and you can't just do a closeup on the face, so those actors are used to inhabiting the character for longer periods of time. It comes through in ways you can't quite articulate. It's worth noting that the other two films we're talking about, Lawrence and Amadeus, also pull their casts from theater.
Why does it leave out his obsession with bowel movements?
>>18379645Did I say that, you fucking imbecile? He asked for historical media, and I responded with a comment.
>>18379580>These are fascinating clips, thank you. ofc, im really happy i had an excuse to share them :^) >I really gotta get around to watching The Sopranos. yeah most of the people in the show do a great job at holding a presence, at least much better than most tv. maybe not everyone is as kino as in claudius but sopranos does have good performances>it works in person but when the camera is up close on that performance it feels phony. But then when they get to play it for the camera specifically they're phenomenal. Maybe because you can't cut away on stage, and you can't just do a closeup on the face, so those actors are used to inhabiting the character for longer periods of time. i think that it IS typically that disconnect, yeah, and the best of the best like christopher lee or brian blessed are people who have a commanding presence at all times (even off screen/stage during candid conversations) which i think maybe eliminates that issue. so their stage and screen work are always the same level of "played for real". its beyond mere showman qualities too in a sense, which, as you say:>It comes through in ways you can't quite articulate. its difficult to pin down what all of these people have that others clearly dont. this isnt an overly academic observation, but i really think these men of older generations have something modern man lacks, which allows them to fully inhabit without cringing or something. maybe its growing up with the very serious generations who were older than them. maybe they individuated in such a way theyre secure enough to inhabit a role properly. its interesting to think about>the other two films we're talking about, Lawrence and Amadeus, also pull their casts from theater.yeah, the absolute best movies/tv really are carried by theater actors. and speaking of(running out of chars): war and peace 1972, very much the same as claudius, you may enjoy itharchive.org/details/@rileyross?and%5B%5D=creator%3A%22mangeni+wycliffe+obwoya%22
>>18378797In my opinion "A Man for All Seasons" has the greatest opening titles/credits of any film ever made. So much information about England and the main characters packed into such a short period of time, with stimulating visuals and Georges Delerue's terrific soundtrack to boot. I will always get chills when the music clatters when Robert Shaw's name comes up, further reinforcing the terror of Henry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxu-aXi3D-o
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