Nicola Sacco & Bartholomew Vanzetti: These guys were guilty as fuck lmaoWhy were they eulogiezed as some kind of wrongly convicted Anarchist martyrs?
Because leftists control your public education system.
>>18380899It almost 100% certainty based on later forensics tests done on the gun that Sacco murdered the guard and paymaster they robbed. Vanzetti was likely a lookout or getaway driver. The gun Sacco had on him when arrested matched the bullets recovered from the bodies in the 60s and 80s when forensics were done. Vanzetti had the guards gun (or what people said was the guards gun, it was consistent with what the guard carried and had been taken by the shooter after killing him according to witnesses, though the serial was unknown thus not able to be conclusively poven) on him when they were arrested.Their trial was kind of a railroading and was done sloppy and with bias against them thats why they got martyred. But yes they were definitely guilty.
>>18380899>Sacco and Vanzetti were martyred>Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were martyredI thank my high school history teacher for going deeper into the details of these cases to show that they were actually, quite likely esp in the case of the latter, guilty of crimes committed. But going through the processes that these cases underwent shows clear bias and discrimination as being heavy factors in whether these people were found guilty of their crimes.
>>18381116Julius Rosenberg was 1000% guilty based on Soviet archives. Ethel was likely aware and helped though not AS guilty. Sacco and Vanzetti were almost certainly guilty.
>>18381116Were we really *all* taught this exact same thing about these goombah dagos, greasy wops, and muh hecking Rosenbergs being le wrongfully convicted innocents and victims of a "red scare"?Come to think of it, I think my teacher actually did them both in the same class session.
>>18381164Yeah most curriculum/text books taught it that way. Maybe had a few teachers out there to tell it like it was but yeah. Both are considered part of the red scare (vanzetti and sacco the 1st wave in the 20s and Rosenbergs the more widely known Mccarthy second wave). They just also were guilty. If the justice system had given them fair trials they wouldn't have been martyred as much most likely.
>>18381168There was never any genuine hysteria about communism.It's just characterized that way by communists, people pretending to be communists, and their useful idiot liberals. Because it was really an entirely rational reaction to widespread acts of terrorism, and of espionage and compromised government officials in the State Department that truly threatened national security.McCarthy has not only been totally vindicated, and the many lies told about him to this very day by public school teachers put in a position of trust comprehensively debunked, it's been revealed that the true scope of the problem was entirely underestimated at the time.The only reason this materially false slop gets repeated like that is because it's propaganda with the express purpose of defusing the youth and prejudicing them ideologically against "isolationism" (the objectively correct idea that America can and should be entirely self-sufficient, which is WAS once but is no longer) in particular.>most curriculum/text books taught it that waySo who coordinated that? Is it really all down to the Department of Education covering the government's collective ass?
>>18381116>>18381122Julius deserved it, but yeah his wife was probably sentenced to death as well because the judge was Jewish and probably genuinely wanted to "compensate" and not appear too merciful lest everyone give him shit for being biased in their favor
>>18381198>Is it really all down to the Department of Education covering the government's collective ass?How would they be covering the governments ass by saying the judicial system railroaded/potentially sentenced innocent people to die for political beliefs? Because that's how it was taught for decades. No clue how they approach it today
They definitely did it, but the judge and jury were very conservative and xenophobic New England WASPs so the trial was about as fair and impartial as what a black guy would get in Alabama back then.
>>18381198>>18381217Also its widely acknowledged today (I would have to think it'd be taught in school but who knows?) that there were numerous high level government officials who were Commie spies (like Alger Hiss)
>>18381207She was a material accomplice to the crime.In the US, if you rob a store with someone and they shoot and kill the cashier, you get convicted of murder too even if you didn't pull the trigger and never intended anyone to die. Felony murder rule.Julius was a traitor. Treason is punishable by death. His wife knew what was up, and didn't turn him in, but rather aided and abetted him materially.Meaning she shares in the same crime, even if the precise degree of her involvement was nominally less.
>>18381207Not even Obama would pardon Ethel, so meh.
Yet still, the Rosenberg trial got such bad publicity that no one has been executed for espionage in the United States since even though it's still technically allowed.
>>18380899Nicola Sacco and Bartolomeo Vanzetti became famous as martyrs through the Sacco and Vanzetti Trial because it was the first major case of the Red Scare in the US. Furthermore, the judge, Webster Thayer, fell to criticism for his hateful language and poor handling of the case. The prosecution accused the pair of murder in murder South Braintree, Massachusetts with very weak evidence. Finally, many supporters were on Nicola and Bart's side, such as Albert Einstein, H.G. Wells, and George Bernard Shaw. In 1977, governor Michael Dukakis came out and said that the case had been unfair. And yeah, Here's to You by Ennio Morricone was inspired by the case.
>>18381217Maybe because some of the people who were recently revealed to be acting at the behest of a hostile foreign power while in a position of the public trust retained a degree of influence after leaving office, and networks in government that persist in one form or another to this day. Meaning, people and ideas associated with them would have a black eye.Just spit balling here.
>>18381230As he said, Judge Thayer was a typical Massachusetts blue blood whose ancestors were probably there since, like, 1640 and so were most of the jury and none of these people had any use for Italians who talked in broken English and subscribed to anarchist politics.
>>18381225>In the US, if you rob a store with someone and they shoot and kill the cashier, you get convicted of murder too even if you didn't pull the trigger and never intended anyone to die. Felony murder rule.That's why I don't get why the apologists for these guys even in the face of the ballistics proof of Saccos guilty say "Well Sacco may have been guilty but Vanzetti was probably innocent."It's like dude.. Vanzetti didn't have to shoot anyone to be guilty. All he had to do was be there. They were homeboys who did everything together, you really think Sacco was gonna hit a $250,000 score and not have his best bro along? And Vanzetti had been charged with robbery in the past. He was almost certainly the getaway driver. If he was present or helped in any way per US law he also committed murder.
>>18381230What is this, an AI response? No shit that songs about them, that's why OP used the title. It's from their bio-films soundtrack
>>18381234>"Errr, ahh, we foind the defendant Mr. Sacco guilty of, err, ahh, forst degree murdah. Go Sox!"please thank God courtroom videos didn't exist in the 1920s
>>18381237Some even say the authorities switched out barrels of the gun (even though gun forensics to match a bullet to a specific barrel didn't exist yet) and that's why it matched in the 60s/80s tests. Anarchists/Commies are just delusional.
>>18381237Yeah, it's mostly people who don't know anything about the legal system and the law who come away with that take.I saw a few news articles the other day about a dude on death row up for execution, and the "journalists" reporting on it qqing about how it's not proven he personally killed the victim in the violent felony he was a responsible accomplice to, and "there's still time to get his sentence commuted". As if that somehow exonerates him under the law.It's sickening to me that these highschool freshmen writing level clowns somehow earn more than I do.
>>18381245Do you think people IRL sound like JFK from Clone High?
>>18381217>>18381233contLet's put it this way.Say, purely hypothetically, there were systematically connected government officials at high levels who were continually engaged in domestic espionage and influence campaigns at the behest of certain foreign powers. Let's say, for decades on end through multiple executive administrations and electoral cycles in the legislature.Maybe some of their policies lead directly to a manifest degradation in capabilities absolutely critical to national security, or compromised other vital functions of the nation in lieu of offshoring industry for marginally increased profit margins, or engaged in demographic shenanigans, etc.Would they be interested in the public beginning to appreciate the true scale of their duplicity, or in the remediatory measures enshrined in law for such activity?No. They would rather people consider such a thing to be a hysterical conspiracy theory, bellicose nativism, something to disregard out of hand. To disarm the people mentally.
>>18381291I think I understand. Not sure I agree especially considering I was taught this shit in the early 2000s in school and the USSR collapsed in 91 but yeah
>>18381295To my mind, the public education system has one primary goal in mind.The manufacturing of consent, on an industrial scale, for industrial purposes.And later, for certain post-industrial ends.It is such a shame that the big headed so-called "chompskyhonk" who popularized this "manufacturing consent" idea was so unfortunately associated with the big E himself.
>>18381309At the behest of whomst though? Illuminati? The Jews? Or some kind of subconscious manifestation of the system itself?
>>18381319It's a system of forces.One that has become self-perpetuating, grown beyond the control of those who instituted it.In a sense, has taken on a life of it's own. Vicariously, through you and I.Even your affect ITT plays into it, deflecting to such irrelevant canyards as the "Illuminati" so as to associate this positive identification with a nebulous "other".You'd be better off focusing on such artificially imposed institutions as the Federal Reserve Bank, which have a clearly auditable paper trail.
>>18381336But surely someone has to be at the head of this. I'm being sincere, despite my flippant use of kikes and Illuminati. Who? I concede your idea seems to have merit but it seems far too nebulous thus far.
>>18381352How about the Bank of England and the City of London. Ring a bell?
>>18381368N-no..?
>>18381207Truman purposely wanted a Jewish judge to try the case to make it look fair and not like a lynching.
>>18381207Bitch definitely knew and assisted Julius
>>18381372Well, it should.The so-called "City of London" is a moniker or title belonging to a relatively small subset of the actual city of London.It enjoys it's own certain jurisdiction, and to it belongs the real Bank of England.and London Stock Exchange, respectively.
>>18381381They control the US public education system?
>>18381319WASPs. It was literally stated by the religiously hyper-protestant social reformers who were the founders of the modern education system itself. They were very open about it and outright bragged about its purpose as a selling point to get people to adopt it. The purpose was essentially to "Whiteify" "Anglofy" and "De-Catholicfy" the gargantuan amount of Irish, Southern Europeans, and Eastern Europeans entering the country. Remember that circa 1900 like a fifth of the American population had not even been born in the country and much of the rest were first generation. The modern education system was in effect, a giant propaganda machine meant to turn de-nationalize children so they could be rebuilt as WASP's. All the things it did and does, making everyone physically pledge allegiance to the American flag in a daily ritual, The casting of American history as a narrative in which the "righteous" leave the defiled and fallen old world for the "promised land" of America, The enforcing of dress codes based on expressly English styles, The promotion of "secular holidays" like Thanksgiving and Presidents Day, it was all meant for this singular purpose.
>>18381392during WW1 the German population in the Midwest was literally beaten into assimilating. prior to that they were mostly un-assimilated communities that spoke German and had German-language newspapers.
>>18381392I mean yeah I can see what you're saying. And see that that could become a system that outgrew its creators to a point where its pushed without even knowing why, "thats just the way we do it" kinda thing. Yeah I can see this perhaps.
>>18381392there was more. starting with the 50s and the event of TV there was a further concerted effort to eliminate regional accents and impose the Midwestern accent as the "default" since it was the most neutral-sounding one. what was commonly known in the media as the trans-Atlantic accent is misleading, it was simply broadcasters being encouraged to sound Midwestern.
>>18381402It's not an accent, it's the lack of one. The rest of you (all other English speakers including in US who dont sound like me) have the accents. t. midwesterner
>>18381398It's still working as intended. Hispanic kids are all-in. They care more about being "good Americans" than the people who have been in America since 1776. And what government doesn't benefit from "Our country is the best and every other country is doing it wrong" being the baseline from which all debate must start? You don't think it's a coincidence that American school kids spend all their history classes learning about how freedom is synonymous with capitalism and oppression is synonymous with "not-capitalism" do you?
>>>/mu/129639491listen to 50s music some time, singers had a lot more pronounced regional accents back then
>>18381416No this just seems like a far more self evident thing than I thought you meant at first which was like shadow niggers pulling strings
>>18381402I think by "Midwestern" they must mean the Plains states because the Upper Midwest states have a definite accent that sounds close to the Canadian one.
>>18381421Yeah that's what he means
>>18381422*though I will say, at least in central Midwest you get a lot of people putting on a far more southern or "hick" accent than they really should have. Most speak in the "neutral" style though.
Oklahoma for example is half a flat Midwest accent and half a Southern accent depending on what part of the state you're in.
>>18381421>because the Upper Midwest states have a definite accent that sounds close to the Canadian oneEven Ohio, you don't think of an Ohio accent being a thing but they definitely have one and sound similar to Canadians.
I live in Pennsylvania and sound Midwestern, but my mother has a very nasal Northeast accent.
>>18381387No, but the world financial system certainly does influence it and it's not possible to separate them from that.
>>18381427Yeah we get that in Missouri too. Meanwhile just a little north (Illinois) starts to turn into that northern Midwestern Wisconsin type accent
>>18381442>starts to turn into that northern Midwestern Wisconsin type accentThat stereotype Minnesoohtahhh accent came out of Scandinavian accents mostly. Further south the accents are more influenced by German ones.
>>18381445The northern one makes sense from the sound. The southern "redneck" accent is rooted in German though?
>>18381453>The southern "redneck" accent is rooted in German though?The Scandi belt is primarily from Michigan through North Dakota. The Midwest south of there was settled more by Germans and the accents sound more like it.
>>18381427Southern accents are not all the same either. North Carolina does that Foghorn Leghorn "Sah, I say sah" accent and does not sound like Alabama or Mississippi which is what most people think a Southern accent is.
>>18381207Funny that the defendants, the prosecution, and the judge were all Jews
>>18381514They wanted it to appear as though it wasn't a one sided lynching (even if it had been which it wasn't it would still be justice). Truman wanted to avoid another Sacco and Vanzetti (which saw protests not only in cities across the US but in cities all over the world)
