>>18384566
God, when creating reality, creates it with laws, The laws of physics, nature, and so on. God does not literally move every blade of grass. He does not make the air or the wind go one way or another. The system is automated. There are physical laws that have been created, and everything happens according to them. Illness works in the same way.

I hope you understand what I mean.

Why are Athiests afraid to make a piss Quran art piece now that Islam is the fastest growing religion?

>>18384586
>Why are Athiests afraid to make a piss Quran art piece now that Islam is the fastest growing religion?

Because a lot of them are not really driven by courage or principle, but by convenience. They go after Christianity because they see it as the safer target. Islam, in their eyes, carries more risk, so they avoid it. That makes them look less like brave critics and more like bullies who pick on what seems weaker.

>>18384579
So he just lets little kids get cancer and then sits back and watch while they slowly painfully die while everyone else is helpless to do anything about it, despite being capable of saving them with the blink of an eye?

If God gave me control of this world I would destroy it and destroy myself along with it. I am not capable of running a world in which innocent people are born into suffering.

>>18384623
You dont get to judge the Most High.

>>18384633
So you agree with that statement? Got it.

>>18384623
Your view of God as some being sitting above the world deciding everything like this is Age of Empires is very far from what God actually is. If you see it that way, then of course it will seem deeply unfair.

God cannot just change reality like that. A lot of the atheist arguments you hear are things like, “Can God make a squared circle?” or “Can God make a stone so heavy that He cannot lift it?”
God cannot do something logically impossible. Not because He is not above reality, but because contradictions are not real things. A square circle is nothing. It is just nonsense.

So if that child’s biology tragically leads to cancer, how is God supposed to change that child’s biology or chemistry just like that? I am not a doctor, so I do not know the medical details. What exactly is He supposed to change in that child in order to cure him? What you are really asking for is magic, and that does not exist.

>>18384640
what's logically impossible about having every cancerous cell cease to exist.

If biology produces disease, if matter deteriorates,
if bodies can fail,
that does not mean God is individually choosing each person who suffers;
it means there is a material, finite, and vulnerable world,
with real causes that truly operate.

So the question is not “why doesn’t God do magic when an innocent person suffers,”
but why a material reality includes pain, disease, and death.
And the answer is that a reality like that, precisely because it is real and not a fantasy, includes limits, decay, and corruption.

>>18384648
So god actively gives little kids inoperable brain cancer?

>>18384647
I understand that through medicine there should be nothing outside logic. But if you are telling me that you want God to heal a child in a magical way, then you are outside logic.

Light is known to exist because there is darkness.
I know this sounds very clichéd and cheap, but it is true. It is the duality of the material world that makes us see the differences between what is good and what is bad. So if an earthquake or a tsunami kills many people, or if a child, as in your example, gets cancer and dies suffering, what does that tell us? Does that mean their deaths are some kind of lesson for the rest of the living, or something like that? No, absolutely not.
But good things would not exist if bad things did not exist.
All of life would be something flat, without changes, without movement, something static. And we are in a world, we live in a world of action, of actions, that moves and is alive. If evil did not exist, then it would be a static world.

>>18384654
>So god actively gives little kids inoperable brain cancer?
I answered to that >>18384579

>>18384660
So yes?

>>18384676
you know I said no.

Normally, when something bad happens to people, when things do not go the way they want, they are going to take one of two paths. They are either going to accept it as a mistake, perhaps their own, and learn from it so that it does not happen again, or they are going to complain.
Many of those complaints are directed at God.

>God, why are you doing this to me? If I have always gone to church, I pray to you, why are you making me suffer?
>Why do I not have a partner who loves me?
>Why do I not have money?
>Why do I have so many debts?
>Why is life so unfair?

We blame God for things that are inevitable or for things that could have been avoided depending on our actions.

I understand. In other words, you want a world where there is no suffering, which is something very beautiful.
But since we live in an objective world, a world without suffering is a fantasy.
So what has to be understood, instead of blaming God so much for evil, is that the world is the way it is, that A is A.

>>18384654
Why is it always the negative you guys focus on? Have you ever once taken a morning walk in the woods or seen anything nice? You act is if a child dying from cancer is some sort of refutation to the surreal natural beauty that surrounds you nearly every waking moment. Yes life is tragic and full of suffering, but you don't even need to be a Christian to see beauty in the world and understand that in spite of all the pain there is something much greater here. I cannot imagine living like you and I mean that sincerely, even if this is just an act it is the most saddening display of misanthropy I have ever seen.

What I find funniest is that, understanding that all of you who open these threads every day, using the same arguments over and over...
I do not know, maybe this is some kind of psyop you have going on, because it is always the same stupid arguments.
>Why is God so bad, why this, why that.

You must live a very comfortable life, because you have the luxury of spending time on this page, just like I do and like everyone else who uses this page.
You do not have to hunt for your food, and you do not have to work in mines or anything like that.
So what exactly are you complaining about?

Do you care about other people?
Do you care that God does not do magic to help people? Well, you are alive.
Why do you not help people?
If you already do it, then perfect.
That is how it should be.

You are the one who is here, so help. If you are worried that children die from brain cancer, then study, become an expert, and find a cure.
Because magic does not exist.

>>18384586
>>18384589
Why haven't you guys done it then?

>>18384687
do what?

>sculpting a warhammer miniature out of clay then making it come to life by breathing on it: logical
>ripping out one of his ribs and it turning into a woman: logical
>having to play peekaboo with your prophet because if he sees your ass he'll explode: logical
>not creating cancer cells: illogical, magic

>>18384689
Make a piss Koran. Do it. It'd be super easy, barely an inconvenience.

>>18384683
>kids dying in agony of brain cancer is ok because I took a walk in the woods

>>18384694
Actually yes, how many children do you know, and I mean personally know, that are dying from inoperable brain cancer?

>>18384626
Why waiting for God Powers? You can destroy yourself at anytime. Please, do it!

>>18384721
>but how does this affect you PERSONALLY?

>>18384589
Nuh uh, its actually because there is no muslims here spamming threads about accepting Muhammed (pajeets bust upon him) into your heart. Who would we be arguing with? Where are they? There are only christcucks here

>>18384691
no, I respect Islam

>>18384566
Yes, God actively give cancer to the children of his enemies because they hate him and have putrid desires in their hearts. Next question.

>>18384687
>>18384691
Because we respect religion and believe that Islam is at least partially correct when it comes to the Abrahamic God Allah. Why would based atheists want someone else to do it?

>>18384802
In order to determine if you think if our God is evil you must put yourself in His shoes and see if you would be capable of doing what He does, I’m not capable.
It’s just like having a child; I don’t like this world, so I’m not going to create one.

>>18384805
Everytime man. They are incapable of empathy.

>>18385162
I have no idea what point they are trying to make when they say things like that. It cant be as bad as "It didnt happen to you so you shouldnt care". The last time it happened to me, it eventually built up to them claiming that i was talking about non-existent things because i couldnt tell them where i personally saw animals eating eachother. Its baffling

>>18384956
>>18385078
Hahahahhahahaah found the shitskins.

>>18384579
So why would anyone worship something that clearly doesn't care about us?

>>18384694
And how many kids with brain cancer have (You) personally saved? If it troubles you that much then I assume you are currently undertaking studies to become a neurosurgeon in order to save those kids? How does this concern you exactly? Or are you just bringing up these kids for the sake of your argument? You pretend to give a shit about those kids when you dont do anything about it. They are only useful to you as ammunition against christians, dont even try to pretend otherwise. Anything is fair game when it comes to attacking christianity, even dead children.

>>18384686
Dont be too harsh on them, its all they have going on in their lives. If seething at God daily is how they cope then let them be. I wonder what causes them to seethe so hard though. Its cute they think God owes them an apology.

>>18385432
That doesnt really take away from his point, anon can be the worst person on earth and it wouldnt matter because its about God's omnibenevolence, not anons omnibenevolence. God claims to be omnibenevolent, what has God done to save the dying kids?

>>18384586
We will when Islam actually gets as much political power as Christianity. Now to get back on topic, does god actively give little kids brain cancer, or does he just let them get it and then sit back and watch while they slowly die?

>>18384579
Giga Cope

>>18385460
The problem with that is that it eventually becomes a slippery slope against suffering in general. We talk about kids suffering because its the worst thing we can think off, but if that wanst the worst thing then we would pivot instead towards milder evils. The argument would shift from kids with cancer towards stubbed pinky toes. What you are really asking is how come there is suffering at all, and why does a supposedly benevolent God allow that to happen.

>>18385509
You are right. Why would God invent the concept of suffering? Ive heard alot of people say life would be boring without the struggle but that falls flat for me, after all, boredom is another type of suffering. Its completely unnecessary in my eyes

>>18384579
This sort of Divine Clockmaker or architect concept of God is the main one that seems consistent with good sense, to me at least. I know a lot of people see God primarily as a creator, not a deliberate actor or director from moment to moment. But it seems at odds with the idea of a perfect creator if there's all these seemingly unjustifiable and pointless emergent properties of the system he created. Like, when setting the conditions for life as we know it, he set conditions for death and disease, and perhaps worse. Were these unintended properties, or were they willed? How many "orders of effect" were actually deliberate expressions of God's creative will?

I mean, if God made reality then that's a pretty big accomplishment and he ought to get some credit for that. But the thing about God-as-God is that his creative will is held to be a perfect creative will. I would think that means emergent effects of his creation are also perfect and willed by him, even if they appear very much not so to us. I don't believe in him so I don't really care either way, but I'm interested in how people conceive of God and how they seem to absolve him of things that logically seem to be his own responsibility. I can buy a concept of God that is much less responsible or prescient, and has no means to intercede in his own creation, but I don't really think that's the God people actually worship. It may well be the God that thinkers think on, though.

>>18385533
Maybe its more about consequences and not much about suffering. Its similar to a kid asking his dad why he cant have ice cream every single day. From the perspective of the kid, his dad is surely evil from denying him that daily pleasure, but dad knows that feeding your child ice cream every single day guarantees early on set diabetes. A fact the kid is completely ignorant about. Same goes for suffering I imagine. God must have his reasons as to why we cant see why we must endure such hardships. But I do honestly think its for our own good. We only get to see a page of our life at times, while God already saw the whole book. God denies us daily ice cream for some unknown reason. We simply dont know any better. You can chose to call Him evil from your human perspective. But I would argue such an awesome being like that is beyond merely human categorizations.

>>18385616
I can only sigh in my heart as this is pretty much all this discussion ever ends up as. Faith that he has your best intention in his heart while seemingly not acting as so. Its not that i dont have faith as you do, its that i put it in a different place. I believe in my heart that there had to be better ways with the tools he has. Ways im sure he is capable of, reality is always better in my imaginations

>>18385646
I think it just borders on the kind of things which are fundamentally unknowable. There doesnt seem to be any other way to reach any other conclusion to these kind of dicussions.

>>18384640
They choose cancer because of how little we know about the way it starts in otherwise healthy and/or young patients. Ironically this means they assume God's power by implying that cancer itself is an act of God and not something environmental that we have not yet determined. I'm sure 1000 years ago there was probably at least 2 or 3 of these guys per town asking why God gave black bile to innocent children who didn't do anything to deserve it.

>>18384566
One thing that always bugs me is when Christians proclaim "God does things like this" or "God's nature is this way not that way" while also believing that God is omniscient. If God knows all then how do you know his nature? Wouldn't his nature be far beyond any human comprehension? Any proclamation about God's nature has to be incomplete to a human brain.

>>18385876
something like that, yes
they are more religious than we are

>>18384623
yes, that's exactly what happens.

>>18384579
Bible verse
Now

>>18384566
>be kid
>get cancer because humans are pumping the environment with cancer juices
>this is God's fault somehow
Also God gave us saints and relics and miracles specifically as an everyday physical bridge between us and Him.

>>18386702
>Bible verse
>Now
The biblical basis is that creation has an established order: “the laws of heaven and earth” (Jeremiah 33:25), the regular cycles of nature in Genesis 8:22, and the recurring movement of the wind in Ecclesiastes 1:6. So the idea is not that God must manually push every physical event at every moment, but that He created a world with stable laws and order.

That is very close to Maimonides in Guide for the Perplexed.
In that framework, nature operates according to the order God created, while providence is understood in a more philosophical way, not as constant arbitrary intervention in every physical detail.

So, I was not quoting a verse.

>>18386764
I mean...
nature follows the order God made, and God’s care is not seen as Him constantly changing every small detail by direct action.

>>18386212
God revealed his nature to Israel, it's called the Tanakh.

Psalm 103:7

He revealed his character to Moses
and his deeds to the people of Israel

>>18386770
What was revealed to Moses was not the infinite essence of God in its fullness.
There is a difference between God in Himself and God as revealed to the world through His names.

So when Scripture speaks of God’s name, that does not mean the human mind has grasped the totality of the Infinite. It means God has revealed the way He relates to creation and to us.

That is also why different names are used. Elohim is often associated with God as Creator, Judge, and the power ordering nature. The YHVH is associated more with God’s personal and relational presence.

God is made known in relation to the world.

So ok, yes, God is revealed to Moses and others, but revelation is not the same thing as full comprehension of the His essence.

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Humans are on death row, and truly deserve the bad things happening to us. Every good thing that happens to us, and every second that humans get to live in their sinful state, continually rejecting what God wants without immediately being executed for it, is mercy. Humans are suffering in this world to wake them up and show them their need of Jesus Christ, because God doesn't want them in Hell, which is worse than whatever happens on earth. Humans assume that they deserve to be treated well, but the truth is that if you reject the love of God you will remain to be on death row. Mankind is "sold under sin" (Rom. 7:14), which is why God has delegated authority to Satan, who is in charge of this present world system.

The Lord Jesus Christ is God, and He came to reconcile man and God together again, He did it by bearing the judgment of the sinner in himself on the cross. He was judged and punished for all our sins. What the sinner is asked to do is to trust in Jesus Christ. To trust that that's sufficient, and call upon Christ. You might not know what to say, but if you understand that you need Jesus Christ, call out on him and let Him do the rest. (Rom. 10:9)

As Rom. 3:23 says, all have sinned. One day you will stand before Him, and He will judge you. You can either repent to God by receiving Him and be saved, or reject Him and go to hell.

Salvation is by grace through faith (not of yourself: Eph. 2:8-9, it's given by God; Romans 10:8 & 17) only in the one, final, effectual sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ (Heb. 10:8-12) dying in your place (1 Cor. 15:3-4) as a substitutionary offering for sin (Rom. 5:1-10). His blood atonement made for you is finished, so if you have received the Lord Jesus by faith (John 1:12) in your heart, you're forgiven of all your sins and are saved, once for all; finally and forever! (Rom. 8:38-39, Romans 4:5)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc

https://truthischrist.com/seven/

Those kids were given a much more merciful fate than you OP. Sometimes God takes people out of life early to spare them further pain and damnation. Go on and curse Him for not showing the same mercy to you, it'll only deepen your pain.

>>18387188
>Humans are suffering in this world to wake them up and show them their need of Jesus Christ, because God doesn't want them in Hell
Dear God

Just dont send people to hell. I know, its so hard but you know the plan to send every single human who didnt let jesus into their heart into hell? Just cancel it, come up with a new plan that sends all jesusless humans into heaven. You can do it, believe in yourself, its not impossible. I know you had this contract with Satan to do it and im not sure why you created it in the first place but its okay to cancel it, im sure he will get over it one day. Actually, why doesnt he join the party too? Send him to heaven therapy so he doesnt have to burn forever. Just delete hell, it solves all problems

Love from anon

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>>18387213
It's either people have free will to choose or reject God. If that isn't true, then they don't have free will.

God gives people what they want (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12)). If they want to reject God, God lets them reject His love by permitting Satanic forces to direct them. If they want to accept Him, God lets that happen by helping them.

God will not compromise His holiness even if it means letting people choose Hell.

People can't imagine God sending a person like themselves to Hell because they wouldn't do that. So they are saying, "God, since I wouldn't do that and You would, then obviously I am better than you." No, you are just more tolerant of sin than the Lord is. That is evidence of your unholiness, not your holiness.

Any excuse an unsaved man gives for passing up the only way to Heaven (John 14:6) is a proclamation to God that he can be better than Jesus Christ.

When you meet God and He asks you why you rejected Him, you can't say that you didn't personally make the conscious decision to choose to reject Him despite everything He did to convince you that you need salvation, because you did.

>>18387259
God already made his compromise when he created sin via free will. If he was truly as intolerant of sin as you say he is, he would not tolerate anything that introduces it. So why doesnt he let go of his pride and do things that makes everyone happy including himself? The path he is taking is causing endless grief for everyone

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>>18387286
>I want a world without sin
>but I also want to keep my free will
Pick one, and only one.

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>>18387286
>The path he is taking is causing endless grief for everyone

And what if the endless grief is completely justified and fair? You're automatically assuming that it's not fair with your very limited understanding compared to what God knows.

If God didn't allow free will to exist, then all God would have is robots. Why do you only think about yourself?

>>18387302
I never said i wanted to keep my free will and its not about me. Why did the uncompromising God tolerate sin enough to create free will?

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>>18384566
>So, does god actively give little kids brain cancer, or does he just let them get it and then sit back and watch while they slowly die?

the foundation of your question is one of justice. how can a just God and the seemingly unjust act of an innocent child getting brain cancer be harmonized?

God answers this question in the book of Job.

the answer is: The moral order God has established in creation is beyond us. We do not see enough, we are not wise enough, we are not righteous enough.

we are small and our minds are limited. we dont see the whole picture. we are looking at a child getting cancer in isolation without understanding the full order of the world AND ESPECIALLY without considering the life after this one

would one happily trade a fews years of suffering in this life for greater eternal rewards? athiests never ask this question, but ones suffering in this world always factors into God's consideration.

for an anology, athiests are seeing half the equation and claiming it doesnt balance.

for another analogy, athiests seeing a child getting brain cancer and assuming God doesnt exist is equivalent to a scientifically illiterate person seeing a bird flying and assuming gravity doesnt exist

>>18387312
Because He knew he can judge it perfectly so that everything is just and fair, it's not a compromise. If God doesn't allow free will to happen, there will never be sin or willful love from His created being towards Him. If God allows free will to happen, there will be sin for a short time yes, but also endless and infinite love and happiness for all eternity with the people He created that chose to be with Him out of their own free will that He gave them, not because God programmed them to love Him.

The surest proof that there is a Hell is what God lets happen to people in order to keep them out.

>>18387310
>SIN IS IRREDEEMABLE AND I WILL NEVER EVER TOLERATE IT DUE TO MY UNCOMPROMISING HOLINESS
>Unless the alternatives is robots of course, in which case, i welcome sin with open arms, ill even give it a room so it can exist for all of time in the form of suffering humans in hell. Fuck robots
Yeah im not convinced

>>18387330
>ill even give it a room so it can exist for all of time in the form of suffering humans in hell.
Thats not sin, that's justice. Righteous judgement. God didn't create hell for humans, if you go there you are going against the will of God. If you choose to reject what Jesus Christ did for you to pay for your sin, and choose to go there, why is God wrong for punishing you? Yes the severity of the punishment is hard to comprehend, but that doesn't change the fact that it's deserved. Infinite sin should require infinite punishment, that's the way God ordained things.

>>18387328
That is a compromise though. He wanted free will, whatever justifications you give for how good free will is, it doesnt change that he tolerated sin to make it happen. Why doesnt he just compromise again because of how good no hell will be?

>>18387334
No, im not talking about the punishment of hell. Im talking about the sin that is still living inside the people burning in hell. Its pretty much there forever now, he tainted existence with the presence of sin permanently

>>18387338
He will allow sin to exist for a while, yes. But that doesn't mean that the compromised His holiness in any way. He completely separated sin from holiness and judged it, condemning humans and the angels who fell.

>>18387340
All prayers of the doomed are denied. Luke 16:24-27 Hell is not a place that will "taint" the rest of existence. It's separate. God separates things. Why would someone receiving judgement the is deserved "taint" the rest of existence? It's what God has ordained.

Hell was originally prepared for the devil and his wicked angels. Matt. 25:41, “Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.” Hell was never intended for man but if men insist on rejecting God through the Savior, Jesus Christ, then they must accompany Satan forever.

>>18387338
>Why doesnt he just compromise again because of how good no hell will be?
Hell is just a place for people who reject God. Think about heaven like some sort of divine house. Why would the owner of the house let you in if you want nothing to do with Him? He lets you in if He senses a sincere reciprocal relationship between you and Him. The relationship is not forced, thats why He gave you free will to reject it if you chose to. God is love itself, and He lets you in if He senses love emanating from your being as well. But only if its true. Matthew 7:21-23

>>18387355
The people in that passage are "Christians" who are trying to get to Heaven based on the works they did "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?" It's not a passage describing what it's like for OT jews or tribulation saints etc. who meet The Lord after death.

All of God's love, in this age, is vested in the righteous life and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Apart from Christ, God loves no man (John 3:16; Rom. 5:8); apart from Christ, the sinner abides in God's wrath (John 3:36: “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”).

We sin because we are "in Adam," (Rom. 5:19); we die because we are "in Adam" (1 Cor. 15:22; Rom. 5:17). But when a man receives Christ as his Saviour, he is no longer "in Adam"; he is then "in Christ" (1 Cor. 12:13, 27; Eph. 5:30).
Moreover, Christ is in you (Col. 1:27) in the person of the Holy Ghost (Rom. 8:9-16). When God looks at a saved man, He does not see a sinner in Adam's image, but His own Son who is "the image of God" Himself (2 Cor. 4:4; Heb. 1:3).

The gift of salvation can't be earned with what you do, it's a gift: Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

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>>18387347
ITS. A. COMPROMISE. "Umm i didnt compromise on my no sex rule because i only had sex for a short while" is stupid! Bad anon!
To be honest, this conversation is starting to feel so silly for me that im mildly giggling. Im going to leave it on this high note, i hope you have a non compromising day!

>>18387373
God never said that He isn't going to allowed sin to exist for even a single second ever. God didn't compromise anything. He always keeps His word.

God said: Rom. 6:23, “For the wages of sin is death …”

If the wage wasn't death, then that would be a compromise.

>death
>eternal torment
Pick one. If God can create souls out of nothing, he should be able to delete them, and that solves the sinner problem much more conclusively than having an eternal bonfire of souls in heaven's basement.

>>18384566
I think you have ass cancer from getting too many black cocks up your ass.

>>18387411
Enoch said : And just as every human soul is according to number, so also it is with animal souls. And not a single soul which the LORD has created will perish until the great judgment. And every kind of animal soul will accuse the human beings who have fed them badly.

>>18384659
>>18384647
>>18385876
>>18384640
Aren't we forgetting how Jesus literally healed people?

>>18384566
I think John Hick's theory is the most probable. He proposed that God uses suffering, especially in young children, to develop virtues. I mean, this is evident in the story of Job and even Psalm 73.

>>18384633
You're judging Him when you say that.

>>18384566
God isnt a white bearded man on a throne. that is chronos. this is a prison planet. Saturn is the computer.

>>18387559
You should try praying for health next time you are sick, I really mean it too. Of the miracles documented by the Catholic Church healing ones are quite common, I'm not saying don't also go to the doctor, but just try it out.

>>18384566
>god actively give
Yes

omiscience + creating this universe = causing anything

>>18388404
I've prayed for ailments to be cured, some got better slowly, others didn't, none got magically healed in an instant like Jesus did. I don't want to dismiss the power of prayer but there are certainly some rules at play here.

>>18384586
That's oddly specific. But atheists did and still do dispute the Quran. Look it up.

>>18385475
If Islam has no political power than why doesn't any atheist make it? It's literally zero effort?
>>18388657
Where is the piss Quran?

>>18387411
I mean desu , wasn't that the original interpretation , I wonder if hell is just another form of circunsition in that regard.

I am a new anon to this treath say hi to me anons.

>>18387411
all souls where already created from the beggining

>>18387559
I dont take bible literally, but as symbols

>>18384579
That would be true if he wasn't almighty and all knowing. An all knowing god know how everything will play out even if he dosen't olan it, but he still puts it in motion. How can he judge anyone for evil, if he knew how the existance of every sinner would play out, and he still chose to create them, making it his responsability.

Tick tock. :)

>>18384566
Using AI, ask if it can find a verse on each of those.

>>18384806
People will mock Chrsitanity irl but avoid Islam, people are more scared to be seen as racist or biogted than actually hold convications about realgion being bad.

>>18389838
Islam is bad for exactly the same reasons as Christianity. Any questions?