Just don't carry out Perestroika or Glasnost. Gorbachev being a Westaboo retard is literally the reason the USSR collapsed.

Stage 1: Ideological powerbase
>Make alliance with hardliners in KGB
>Move to restore ideological structure to the military, marxist training, linking the image of a Soviet serviceman to Bolshevik Revolutionaries. Promote ideologically Marxist and Communist officers to more senior positions of power
>KGB reinstalled as Political Commissars within the military apparatus.
>Enforce serious ideological training of Party Cadre, especially new party representatives. Party reps have random testing on their knowledge of Marxism.
>Rehabilitate Stalin.
Stage 2. Smash the Nomenklatura
>Install rotation of party officials, can only serve in region for 8 years before being rotated out.
>Forced retirement at 65
>Expand Andropov's anti-corruption purges, make a more powerful independent corruption watchdog with real judicial power
>Expand party recruitment to people more from technical backgrounds rather than bureaucratic
Stage 3. Cultural Revolution
>Push for very real (managed) Marxist debate in the public, have shows debate Marxist theory, create a political culture of people debating Marxism, similar to how people debate various forms of Liberalism in the West. Get people more invested more in Marxism as a political ideology rather than just formalism.
>Money, funding more to better entertainment, movies, music, music festivals, TV shows etc. Breads and circuses.
>Break up Nationalist Federal structure into Geographic regions, enforce Soviet identity rather than ethnic/national identity, make Interslavic an official language of the USSR and mandatory taught in schools.
This alone probably would have the USSR still existing to the modern day. I would slowly implement reforms based on studying the Chinese experience.

Chinese style reforms would have never worked in the soviet union.
China succeeded because USA ALLOWED it to succeed. China would be nothing without Western investment.
The soviet union in 1983 was cut off from western capital and technology, and R&D was pretty much stagnant.
Only real solution is to become more hermit kingdom and more militaristic
deficit of consumer goods and products can be improved by actually investing more in supply chain management and executing corrupt managers. Alot of food that could have been sold, ended up rotting in warehouses or dumped in the forest.
also, increase russification and relocation of non-russian minorities to prevent ethnic nationalism

>>18384857
I just remove the hardline communists, they wanted le purge so they are getting it

>>18384857
Pull out of Afghanistan immediately. Take preemptive measures to stop Chernobyl explosion. If it happens anyways, then have maximum transparency about the clean up process.

Also >>18384864

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>>18386151
>China succeeded because USA ALLOWED it to succeed. China would be nothing without Western investment.
The seethe is real.

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>>18384857
Implement socialism with a human face
Implement glasnost but more reasonable so not 100% free speech but pointing out the elephant on the room won't get you punished(it was introduced to solve a real problem, people forget the 1986 Chernobyl disaster is why it even happened). Actually ask more from the western powers if they want a unified Germany
Don't suddenly retreat from eastern Europe, just try to improve relations and be a good neighbor.
Crush any actual revolt but be sure not to be antagonistic to the states in my sphere.

>>18386377
This.

>>18386151
>also, increase russification and relocation of non-russian minorities to prevent ethnic nationalism
USSR never really did "Russification". It's a butthurt cope narrative by Balts and Ukrainians and such for what was really, just learning Russian language in school and the fact Russian was the lingua franca of the USSR. "Russification" was really just a natural process of people wanting to learn Russian because it was super useful. Volodymyr Ishchenko has talked a lot about how the Russicification narrative in the USSR is bullshit and was just the same how Europeans now want to learn English, and the dude is a Maidan protest leader Liberal Ukrainian Nationalist. Soviets went out of their way to not put "Russ" or "Russian" on anything because they despised the Russian empire.
For all the crying about "Russification" the real mistake the USSR made was allowing Nationalist Republics to fester as actual nations in the USSR, similar to how the EU functions today, rather than how the US functions where you are a SOVIET. Lithuanians in the USSR still called themselves Lithuanians, Russians still called themselves Russians, Ukrainians still called themselves Ukrainians. Where a new National Soviet identity should have been created and the National Republics broken up into smaller geographic states.
The EU will eventually fail for the same reason as the USSR btw.

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>>18384981
Your plan failed at stage 1, when the western world stops selling food. And you are basically doing the same as Brezh and Chern were doing with the idological stuff; it did not work for them.

The stage 2 is repeating one of the big mistakes of Gorby, but on steroids.

About stage 3: You are doing Perestroika, but on steroids; there's no money; the soviets already tried to create a soviet identity (and failed hard). China was a country full of energy that only needed to be redirected (from the country to the city), meanwhile soviet society was already urbanized and all the energy was already being exploited, in a deficient way. The lenininst did not allow a meaningful reform to correct it.

Personally, I recommend Vladislav M. Zubok and Dmitri Volkogonov to understand the failings of your plan.

As for me, no glasnot; controlled perestroika; abandoning all the leeches (so called communist allies that only want sweet money from the SU); negotiating a retreat from Eastern Europe, independence to the baltics and nuclear disarmament in exchange of western money an cooperation; and generally, admitting the jig is up, communism doesn't work and trying to salvage as much as I can. Then selling resources to the West, becoming their partner, fighting corruption and trying to build a functioning ecomomy.

Just imagine a Russia that made a more controlled transition to market economy, has less corruption, managed to kept Ukraine and Belarus, and focused in building infraestructure and modernizing the economy instead of playing too much Modern Warfare 2. Would it be perfect? No. Would it be better than what happened? Probably

>>18386472
>14 billion deficit
Lmao I love how tiny these numbers actually are when you look at the post-financialization West.

>>18384864
This. Gorbachev was a libtard
I would implement Glushkov's planned computerization of the economy so that every aspect of the planned economy is measurable and we can establish an effective economic model to fulfill the economic needs of the Soviet people. Automate electronics manufacturing. Computerized supply chain will cut down on corruption and waste. The Soviet Union was unique because it had such a wide range of resources at home it could be truly autarkic

>>18386472
>And you are basically doing the same as Brezh and Chern were doing with the idological stuff; it did not work for them.
Marxist thought by Brezhnev era was nothing more than formalisation, you sang the internationale, you praised Lenin, that's about it. My version has very real consequences if you fail Marxist testing, also it would be a requirement for even entering the party apparatus to begin with to have an indepth knowledge of Marx where as again, the vast majority of people entering the CPSU by the late 1970s were not even Socialist.
Another would be to bring back in line the Military who basically at this point were controlled by Russian Nationalists. In China it's unthinkable the PLA would dare overthrow the CPC because it's run by ideological hardline Maoists, but in the USSR, the military sided with Yeltsin and overthrowing Communism.
>The stage 2 is repeating one of the big mistakes of Gorby, but on steroids.
The mistake of Gorby was purging the Communist hardliners, while allowing the new generation of western anti-marxist shitliberals take over. This is the point of stage 1. No Liberals would be part of the CPSU at all, there would be stringent testing to kick them out, along with far more KGB (who were far more ideologically Communist) oversight of the party.
>Stage 3: You are doing Perestroika, but on steroids
No. Perestroika went far, FAR beyond what I'm doing. I would never, ever delegitimize the party or state. Perestroika quite literally handed over all Soviet media and messaging apparatus to quite literally rampant anti-Communists. It got so absurd people started joking "Lenin was a Mushroom". You had Gorbachev literally forging documents and handing over to the media and West "proving" how evil the USSR actually was. None of this would occur in my system of Cultural Revolution. The point of my Cultural Revolution would be to bring about a new Soviet identity.
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>>18386562
The point of funding so much into arts and culture is precisely to bring about a new Soviet identity. I've always believed it was a massive mistake that the USSR simply lagged 5 years behind the culture of the West. When the West was in 1970, Soviets dressed like Westerners in 1965 and listened to music that sounded like 1965 Western music, when the West was in 1980, the USSR dressed like Westerners when it was 1975 and listened to 1975 music.
The Soviet Union should have had it's own culture, arts, music, genres, cultural movements that weren't just LARPing as Westerners. Imagine if the USSR had invented DnB in 1975. Why not? DnB is quite literally a genre built from people sampling old music and using stock sounds and amen drum loops, it actually plays into how Soviet music was shared through copying and edits and bootlegs. Yet this never occured because the USSR did not push cultural innovation or for wider fandom cultures at all which could break down the nationalist barriers.
The USSR needed it's own unique mass and popular culture to compete with the west. Trying to copy Western trends will always have your people just chasing after the West.
>Your plan failed at stage 1, when the western world stops selling food.
Economic reforms would take place, but honestly if I have modern hindsight, it's pretty easy to fix the Soviet economy without even liberalization. Just invest shitloads into Cybernetics and realign to working with China. Instead of buying food from the US/Europe, go for other foodbowls like Australia/NZ and even China at the time. Australia for example kept on selling food to the USSR even post embargo.
Oil revenues are a big issue to be sure, but we have modern hindsight and what does the USSR have absolute fuckloads of? Palladium, Platinum, Titanium and Rare Earth Minerals. Spend this time developing these industries and just wait out till the 2000s when suddenly the world is begging at your feet.

>>18386562
You have an ossified society and ideology, with even the hardliners asking for reforms and rejecting a return to stalinism (nobody wants to get purged and killed, along with their famuly).
After 60 years of six months to reach full communism, and constantlip service, people are jaded and desensitized. They've already live one cultural revolution and seen their fruits: stagnation. Just look at how pathetic were the hardliners during the coup d'etat. The party and the state (KGB included) were full of midwits, just paying lip service. Stalin and Brezhnev made damn sure they were. Signing decrets telling the people to be even more communistier would not work, they have been doing that for decades and look at the result. Autopsy for an Empire, by Volkogonov, touches this topic; especially the chapter for Chernenko, which I recommend.

The SU tried to make their own culture, but made the fatal mistake of eliminating and/or alienating anybody with talent, leaving the cultural production to state sanctioned unions who followed the orders of the state. The result being a sterile production, for decades (as much as I love Bondarchuk PBUH). And you can't solve it in a few years just by signing decreets telling people to do it. Also, there's the lack of money.

The whole trading with China opens a can of worms, as China was decollectivizing the agriculture. Ideologically, by doing this, you are raising the question of why not do the same instead (and that's a very valid question). Then, there's the fact China was exporting to the West instead, their preferent partner, in detriment of the SU. Regarding Straya and NZ, if the SU goes back to hardline communism, no doubt they would end the exportations.

>Spend this time developing these industries and just wait out till the 2000s when suddenly the world is begging at your feet.
The problem is surviving those 15 years, with all the problems the SU had, and with how much can the West(+China) choke them in the meanwhile.

>>18384857
Go full Deng mode, but allow some states like the Baltics and Georgia to go independent

>>18386642
>You have an ossified society and ideology, with even the hardliners asking for reforms and rejecting a return to stalinism
Sure but it could be fixed. Mao realised this as well which is why the Cultural Revolution was launched. The cultural revolution turned into a walking disaster, but it did successfully create a new dialectic within the party that made the CPC far, FAR more dynamic than the CPSU, which had huge impact in particular Xi Jinping
Know linking Reddit, but a phenomenal post about it
https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/1rm1swq/the_dialectics_of_history_mao_zedong_the_cultural/
>The party and the state (KGB included) were full of midwits, just paying lip service.
Yes which is why massive party reforms needed to take place to make the CPSU far more dynamic, while keeping it's Socialist character, the Party also needed to re-energize and provide a new vision.
>And you can't solve it in a few years just by signing decreets telling people to do it. Also, there's the lack of money.
True, but i'm playing on the bet that the USSR doesn't implode by the early 1990s.
>The problem is surviving those 15 years
If North Korea and Cuba can do it, then the USSR could have as well. The USSR was not even in that dire straits economically especailly if the Andropov reforms were just continued. Lets be real here, there was no real material reason the USSR was dismantled, it was entirely a collapse of ideology and shame among the party elite and Gorby being a fucking retard while being puppeted by Nationalists like Shevernadze and CIA assets like Yakovlev.

>>18386655
The cultural revolution started 17 years after the end of the civil war, in a dynamic society, transforming from rural to urban. 1985 was 68 years after 1917, in an ossified and already urbanized society. The forces SU could have used were already used decades ago. It's a very different situation, as Vladislav M. Zubok explains in Collapse. And as I said (and I'm just repeating what Volkogonov said) signing decrets does not mean results. The structures of the party were rotten with inertia, born out of the reaping Stalin did and grown by the stagnation of late Brezhnev.

>If North Korea and Cuba can do it, then the USSR could have as well
Small, homogenous countries with barely geopolitical importance. One of them allowed to exist due to internal US politics, and the other due to chinese backing and having so much artillery pointing to Seoul. A very diferent situation from the SU.

>The USSR was not even in that dire straits economically especailly if the Andropov reforms were just continued. Lets be real here, there was no real material reason the USSR was dismantled, it was entirely a collapse of ideology
It was built in a shaky foundation, but could have been reformed towards a market economy, while keeping all but the Baltics (and maybe the ex-SU caucasus countries). By the end of the reforms, it would have been socialist in name only. A social-democracy, maybe. Certainly better than what it has turned out to be.

>Gorby being a fucking retard
Fully agreed. Gorby belongs in the Top 10 historical retards

>>18384857
>How do you keep the Soviet Union from being dismantled?
Chinese reforms:
Send all Stalinists like Gorbachev to Gulag.
Gradually dissolve kholhozes and introduce market pricing for food first with two tier system.
Transition industry to capitalism starting with small production, leave infrastructure in State's hands (oil, energy, rail, roads).
Quetely cancel all Marxist mumbo jumbo regarding ownership and wages.
Continue to blast propaganda that we build gommunism. Anybody complains it's not a real gommunism send them to Gulag.

>>18386151
>Chinese style reforms would have never worked in the soviet union.
First successful stage of Chinese reforms was dissolving kholhozes and Introducing (eventually) market prices for bread and meat. American investment don't matter here at all.

>>18386151
>Alot of food that could have been sold, ended up rotting in
You are so stupid and barely literate to understand how Marxist ideology (labor theory of value) directly correlated with this wastage. Marxism doesn't assigns value to distribution. It's inherit failure of Marxist theory.

>>18386562
>Marxist thought by Brezhnev era was nothing more than formalisation, you sang the internationale, you praised Lenin, that's about it.
Ban of family farms was an economic reality. And it came directly form Soveit Stalinist version of Marxist theory. It was literally illegal to have land (own or rent from state) to grow grain on it in USSR.
Bread is a State monopoly, state monopolies aren't effective and that's collapsed USSR. "No food" commies curse catched with them In the end.

>>18384857
I became the General Secretary? Good, I'll dismantle the Prison of the Nations already in 1985.
>>18386151
This. USSR missed his chance for succefull reforms. They should be carry out in the 1960s, because:
1. Majority of population still lived in villages and urbanization may be controlled.
2. CPSU still consits from capable politicians who remembered Stalin and weren't afraid to use force.
3. Villagers, unlike townspeople, have the basic knowledge of market economy.
>>18386464
Holy cope.
>butthurt cope narrative by Balts and Ukrainians
I wonder, why they create these cope narratives? Maybe they, you know, WERE OCCUPIED by fucking commie russians (combo of shitties things in Europe)?
>"Russification" was really just a natural process of people wanting to learn Russian because it was super useful
When Stalin stopped ukrainization and carried out Holodomor (what was mix of mortal incompetency and consious measures to reduce ukrainian population) it was "natural process"? Or when Stalin repressed all non-slavic people across USSR, from Crimean Tartars to Koreans from Far East?
> Lithuanians in the USSR still called themselves Lithuanians, Russians still called themselves Russians, Ukrainians still called themselves Ukrainians.
Yeah, but their national cultures were reduced to fairy tales and local clubs.

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>>18386579
>Imagine if the USSR had invented DnB in 1975. Why not? DnB is quite literally a genre built from people sampling old music and using stock sounds and amen drum loops, it actually plays into how Soviet music was shared through copying and edits and bootlegs.
You are sooooooooo far away from Soveit realities. First of all Soviet citizens didn't have access to audIo recording and mixing systems. Having any tape recorder was Godsend, people with dual deck recorders were Gods (because they could copy Beatles records).
There is reason that indigenous Soveit music culture in 90s was solo songs accompanied by guitar. It's all music instruments average Soviet could get access to. Everything else was
Too expensive
Monopolized by State who had absolute allergy for anything novel (post menopause foids in charge of the culture).

>>18386700
Gulags were long gone by the 1980s, the last was shut down in 1960.
This is what makes For All Mankind's representation of the USSR so hilarious. Gulags, people getting shot in the head for misspeaking during a speech, all poor people lined up and executed. The show takes place in 1990s/2000s yet presents the USSR as basically a parody of the Stalin era.

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Fun fact: first (and only one) digital sampler appeared in USSR in 1986.
There was literally one guy having one imported sampler (prophet 2000) until 1991, and this sampler was loaned to different rock bands to make mixed tracks.
How do you expect culture to develop in such misery?

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>>18386749
>Gulags were long gone by
Stalinist scum spotted!
Into Gulag your go no objections!

>>18386735
>Maybe they, you know, WERE OCCUPIED by fucking commie russians
Because Russification in the way they claimed never fucking happened, it was a natural process that had already been occuring in the region since the 19th century, Ukrainian Nationalists from the 19th century literally promoted Russian language use because it was seen as a lingua franca and more "educated". Also how was Ukraine "Occupied"? It was a foundational state of the USSR. It's like claiming Virginia is occupied by America or Scotland is "occupied" by England.
>When Stalin stopped ukrainization and carried out Holodomor
Literally never happened.
> Or when Stalin repressed all non-slavic people across USSR, from Crimean Tartars to Koreans from Far East?
Still not Russification. Stalin wasn't even Russian and most of the top brass of the CPSU were Ukrainian.
>Yeah, but their national cultures were reduced to fairy tales and local clubs.
You mean just like most sub-states in Europe today. What's the difference with Wales and Scotland and Northern Ireland? Are they "Occupied" by the English? Are they "subjugated" because they speak English?

>>18386755
>Literally never happened.
Where you are from?

>>18386669
the USSR for contrast was 17 years old in 1935 during the height of Stalinism when there was still tons of enthusiasm and people believed socialism was achievable.

>>18384857
I remember seeing some video about how a big issue was that the soviets never quite accepted making an universal computer system everyone could tap into like the Americans, which meant they were still stuck with using paper for their ridiculously big bureaucracy, with a bunch of independent computer systems that couldn't really connect to each other.

That seems like something that could have been fixed.

>>18384857
Keep current on modern technology.

The Soviets fell way behind from not taking the computer seriously as a major cultural innovation.

The Soviets actually did a very good overhauling their basic infrastructure, agriculture, energy infrastructure, and food distribution (despite what some people like to say); in the late days of the Union. The system of providing basic necessities was running like a top in the 70s and 80s.

However, failing to adapt the computer into manufacturing and engineering, made them fall far behind in the 80s and early 90s. And by the time the Union fell, their economy and technology was way behind developed Western nations.


Empires fall from failure to adapt to new technology quick enough. Britain thought steam and textiles would keep them on top forever.

>>18386464
t. ruskie

Imaginationland

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>>18386777
The Holodomor never happened dude. It's a butthurt narrative of Ukrainian Fascists who want to play the victim card for losing WW2 so spent their years in exile (then post-Soviet years) screeching about an event they completely made up in their heads.
There is no evidence in the Soviet archives that the Holodomor was planned or man made or that the USSR and Stalin didn't take the famine and wheat rust very seriously. Even Kotkin and Conquest admitted the Holodomor is a bunk narrative.
The Holodomor is nonsense. It literally never happened. A famine across the USSR happened, Kazakhstan and Ukraine were hid hard, but the reason they were hit was not planned for, or taken advantage of by the Soviets. It's just both were rural-undeveloped regions so when the wheat rust hit, due to being food bowls were prioritized slightly less than urban areas which were more important during the industrialization occurring.
Ukrainian nationalists love to screech about it as well, but also hide the fact they were the ones burning food stores, kolkhoz and attacking aid distribution networks.

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>>18386504
Based cybersocialist

>>18386735
>I wonder, why they create these cope narratives?
To create a foundation block for their national identity, since they barely have any otherwise.

>>18387783
Holodomor literally happened because of food confiscation from prior harvest. Your opinion is invalid.

>>18386504
Even in 2026 nobody is able to do what you're describing. SAP is the closest thing and it still falls short.

>>18384857
Cars
Meat
Clothes
Holidays
Gadgets
That's it. That's all that the retarded swine want. They don't give a shit about freedom or ideology or democracy or nation and they only pretend they do because they don't have these things. If the shitty wastelands of Siberia were used to raise cows instead of fucking corn like Khruschev mandated and the economy was liberalised to provide things that people actually wanted then the Soviet Union wouldn't have fallen apart.

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Yes Glushkov proposed a national computer network (OGAS) like ARPA in the 60s ten years before ARPA but it never got funded. Then they switched from indigenous computer design to copying IBM which kept them permanently 5 years behind. A network called Akademset was made in the 80s but it wasn't ambitious like OGAS and only covered certain universities
>>18386855
Yes people don't realize how much of an innovation computer modelling was in engineering. For example the Soviet systematized apartment buildings had huge design defects that can now be caught because of advanced architectural computer modelling. But the Soviets did it all by hand so they missed those mistakes
>>18388035
It's significantly easier to streamline a planned economy since there's less conflict of interes and things don't change instantly and without warning. Companies don't have to keep trade secrets for example, or compete. The thing is the Soviet economy degenerated into under the table deals, lying about production, stealing product, and embezzling funds, which was widespread and significant. This is why greater oversight/tracking was needed. A computerized supply chain would be able to tell if enough products in a factory were produced for the amount of material, energy, and labor used. That will prevent misuse of state property.

>>18387783
I'll repeat me question - where are you from?

>>18386173
It's not seething. The US in the 90's fully believed it was the "End of History" and racistly believed that asians like the Chinese would never be able to do anything about it, so they didn't bother trying to strangle and cut off China like they did the USSR. Meaning the US greedily offshored all their production there for short term profit. This allowed China to build up its industrial base on its own terms for its own benefit under its own control. And this still required a great deal of skill on Chinas part, as they had to simultaneously not spook the West to badly with their rapidly modernizing economy, but also prevent an idealogical takeover by the newly empowered Chines national bourgeois and maintain party discipline and unified ideology to prevent the rise of a Chinese Gorbachev from ruining it all. So the US may have allowed it, but the Chines were competent enough to take advantage of it where many others would have failed.

>>18386151
Go to bed, Zhang

>>18384857
Overall the trick to allow more flexibility and dynamism into the system is by triangulating to a new set of challenges, in light of which the old challenges are merely obsolete.
1. Pull out of Afghanistan immediately and cry crocodile tears about American imperialists trying to kick off WW3.
2. Act as a big weepy bleeding heart would. Formally and publicly reduce the size of the army and the nuclear arsenal by like 50%. Challenge the US on the international stage to meet the challenge. In all reality disband potempkin forces and arms. Use the security state to keep the generals' balls in a vice.
3. For that matter, conduct some Islamic-themed false flags in the ethnic enclaves AND in mother Russia. Act embarrassed about the Afghan pullout. Crank up the internal security state and absorb some of the furloughed military in the process. The real goal here is to harass and degrade ethnic separatist movements while making the state appear to be the cop on the beat.
4. Make a big hairy deal about winning the argument against superstitious conservatives. Formally work on international forums and debates. Try to use diplomacy to get random western figures like Billy Graham to debate atheism.
5. Introduce more options for "internal exit." Provide subsidies for people who want to move out of their home cities, change careers, etc. Generally the goal is to improve the internal pressure release valve for the average Soviet citizen.
6. Get serious about fusing eco concerns with space race stuff. Use eco grievances as a way to triangulate with non-aligned nations and international institutions. For instance, pick a flight with Japan about whaling. Fund a whole swathe of Biosphere-styoe projects to experiment with ecological concepts with an eye towards a moon base. Invite international collaboration. Change the frame for the remote wilderness: it's not a shit hole, it's a launching ground for experiments that might liberate humanity.

>>18388982
>Pull out of Afghanistan immediately
Good idea
>cry crocodile tears about American imperialists trying to kick off WW3
Absurd when in conjuction with the other idea. The soviet quagmire in A-stan started because soviet tomfoolery

>Act as a big weepy bleeding heart would. Formally and publicly reduce the size of the army and the nuclear arsenal by like 50%. Challenge the US on the international stage to meet the challenge.
Good idea. But not far off from what Gorby did, and the Soviet policy since Brehznev

>Use the security state to keep the generals' balls in a vice.
No need for this, as the 1991 coup showed.

>>18388982
>For that matter, conduct some Islamic-themed false flags in the ethnic enclaves AND in mother Russia. Act embarrassed about the Afghan pullout. Crank up the internal security state and absorb some of the furloughed military in the process. The real goal here is to harass and degrade ethnic separatist movements while making the state appear to be the cop on the beat.
Not really needed. Muslims in the SU are mostly loyal. ie: muslim republics sent more people (per capita) to A-stan than other ethnies and had no problem about it. (Source: Afgantsy, by Rodric Braithwaite)

>Make a big hairy deal about winning the argument against superstitious conservatives. Formally work on international forums and debates. Try to use diplomacy to get random western figures like Billy Graham to debate atheism.
The Su already had problems at home with the likes of Solzhenitsyn, and the intellectual level of late SU was remarkably low. It¡s starting an unneeded battle that the SU can only lose.

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>Get serious about fusing eco concerns with space race stuff. Use eco grievances as a way to triangulate with non-aligned nations and international institutions. For instance, pick a flight with Japan about whaling. Fund a whole swathe of Biosphere-styoe projects to experiment with ecological concepts with an eye towards a moon base. Invite international collaboration. Change the frame for the remote wilderness: it's not a shit hole, it's a launching ground for experiments that might liberate humanity.
The SU record towards ecological conservation was fucking atrocious. 70's US was peak cleaness in comparision. And it was a shit bucket, I'm no trying to minimize. But SU was unreal in this aspect. Like the whole atheism debate proposition, this is starting an unneeded battle that the SU can only lose.

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>>18389142
I think I should explain. I don't think that the USSR had significant object -level problems with any of the stuff I named: US aggression, Muslim extremism, etc. I also don't think the Soviets had much to offer in the form of eco solutions. The REAL reason to do this stuff is to put the soviet state at the middle of reforms -- as opposed to putting the state in the cuck chair while markets, oligarchs, nationalists, and the CIA act like they have the solutions.

My point in all of this is that Gorby was correct in his diagnoses and yet he lacked the credibility to solve it with a direct approach. Yes, the Chinese example indicated that the USSR could find a way out of stagnation, but the oligarchs emerged from Soviet liberalization. My suggestion is to demilitarize to shift industry to other applications... but that can't be done directly without appearing as a concession to liberalism.

Liberalizing the USSR is a speed run to the end, so that why I want to maintain the pretense of resolve while also preparing for a sort of anti-glasnost. Policy changes signal a loss of confidence. An aggressive security state is supposed to counter-signal commitment.

I think the shift to War on Terror shit is just a pretense to develop the security state and mostly weapons it against nationalist movements. The most immediate angle of dissolution is nationalists. Likewise the "internal exit" stuff is supposed to serve in equal parts as market liberalization and as a solvent to break down community ties within nations. Make the social contract more organized between the individual and the state, not between the family and the nation.

The eco stuff is, like the defense stuff, reverse psychology. The USSR is an environmental basket case and Chernobyl is not guaranteed to be solvable. So something must be done eventually, and eco stuff also positions the state to play dominant over internal audiences.

>>18389250
Last point about the "debate atheism" idea. The goal here is to provide an intellectual pretense for getting aggressive against Islam. I don't really think Islam was on the march but the real rationale for a War on Terror -- break nationalism -- is too grim to be acknowledged. So there needs to be a cover story.

The eco futurist stuff is a cover story to get serious about fixing heavy industry, starting with nuclear power.

The crybaby peacenik stuff is a cover story to draw down heavy industry and shift to a consumer economy.

The interior security state expansion is to facilitate the consumer economy by raising the cost of black market shenanigans (more bribes if my security services are corrupt, more shock troops to harass oligarchs if my security services are honest).

In each case there are solutions needed -- more consumer goods, fewer black market crooks, less war, no Chernobyl -- but the state needs to live by lies if it's going to be opening those solutions. The state has ZERO credibility to address things directly and ZERO trust in the other forces that might take the lead on these solutions. So we make cover stories.

>>18388479
That's a whole lotta ChatGPT.

>>18384857
Invest in high speed internet like South Korea. Start chip fabrication. Buy bitcoin. Build data centers. Develop AI models.

Countries have the winning playbook, not sure why nobody actually exercises it.

>>18389997
>Start chip fabrication
The Eastern Bloc did have that, they made reverse engineered Intel and whatnot chips.

>>18390004
based

>>18390004
but still bottlenecked by the usual problems with the communist planned economy

>>18388127
>It's significantly easier to streamline a planned economy since there's less conflict of interes and things don't change instantly and without warning
Holodomor wants to have a word with you.

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>>18386504
>implement OGAS
It partially solves the information problem but not the incentives and corruption issues

>>18386579
>>18386655
>it's pretty easy to fix the Soviet economy without even liberalization
topkek it's literally the core of the problem. As for the soviet distinct identity, it can only work once you've actually fixed the issue at core here : the growing divide between the conditions of a soviet worker and that of a westerner.

>If North Korea and Cuba can do it
NK became a despotic monarchy and Cuba only survived because Franco was/is a very popular and charismatic figure.

>there was no real material reason the USSR was dismantled
What do you think prompted andropov and gorby to attempt reforms ? What do you think the kosygin reforms were ?

>>18386700
>Stalinists like Gorbachev to Gulag.
Oh no you're that retarded faggot that thinks stalinism = not immediatly liberalizing peasant.

>>18388031
Every food was confiscated dumbass

>>18384857
>Push discipline in the party like Andropov did
>Copy Hungary's NEM reforms like Andropov seemed to desire
>Create actual russification for the republics
>Create an EU-like federation to englobe eastern europe to avoid having them leave

This is fixes the economy whilst staying true planning, fixes corruption (less black market because the economy is fixed and more party discipline), this prevents the rise of nationalist tensions.
The reality is that the USSR fell because of its economic stagnation, which broke the social contract that soviet citizens had with the state to accept repression. Once the economy is fixed and once the state is homogenized (russified), there's simply no reason for it to be dismantled.

>inb4 cybernetics
There's no point in them when you can both solve the incentive and information problem by adopting limited market mechanisms. It's true that it would be more VGH to have some form of centralized automatized economy but you'd require more solutions to fix the other incentives

>>18390552
>stalinism = not immediatly liberalizing peasant.
Forced collectivisation is greatest Stalin's achievement according to Stalinists. Ask any Stalinists should've USSR keep family farms? Deng Xiaoping canceled Stalinism with a single stroke and put into Gulag every Stalinists who continued to mumble "but muh kholhozes but muh commune!" This is how you save communists from themselves.

as anon said, the PRC had existed only 30 years when Deng reform era started. USSR was nearly 70 years old when Gorbachev arrive and socially and politically far more stagnant and apathetic.

>>18390552
>>Copy Hungary's NEM reforms
BTW are you aware that Hungarian agricultural sector was massively less collectivised than Soveit?
Fun fact you don't know: after collectivisation peasant family only were allowed to have 0.06 hectare per family in Russia, """"liberal"""" Khrushchev reduced it's size to 0.04 ha. Soveit Stalinists acts against peasants were not just some ideology or mistakes, they acted cartoonishly evil.

In Hungary family plot size was 0.5ha, 10 size more than Soveit plots (just), not enough for grain but you can grow substantial amount of potatoes whith such land.

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>>18390643
BTW in US government give people for free 40-50 hectares land plots for personal use.
Words can't describe how cartoonishly evil Soviet commies were regarding their own people.

>>18390614
>schizo meltdown initiated
I've genuinely never heard a stalinist talk about collectivized agriculture as Stalin's greatest accomplishments. I'm genuinely interested in learning how one could possibly espouse such erroneous worldviews.

>>18390643
>are you aware that Hungarian agricultural sector was massively less collectivised than Soveit?
Yes and it's not really important to the NEM frankly

>>18386504
>Implying that the Soviets had any edge regarding computing and informatics beyond a few academic papers

>>18390735
>I'm genuinely interested in learning how one could possibly espouse such erroneous worldviews.
Again ask any Stalinists themselves, what do they think about Stalin's collectivisation and effective ban of family farms in Soveit Russia.

>Yes and it's not really important to the NEM frankly
>ability of Hungarian peasants to be calories independent using their family land plot is "irrelevant" to goulash socialism
Oh, and talking about another primary ingredient of goulash, meat, animal farming was never full collectivised like in Russia too. Formally animal farming was assembled into farmers cooperatives but in practice, physically animals stayed on farmers land plots, in their private barns under famers families care. In USSR animals and barns were nationalized into kholhozes property, and personal animal farming was chocked by outrages taxes, Soviet peasants were taxed with natural tax (eggs, milk, meat etc) from each animal they omwed. Funny meme thing in 70-80s goats were popular in Soveit Russia peasants farms. Why? Because goats had smallest tax burden.

Problem with you commies types you head is high in clouds
>muh cybernetics!
When actual Soviet problems where very down to Earth and mud.
>where do I get potatoes and meat for my goulash pot?
Hungarians had food for goulash and this was because commies lessened choke on their peasantry and allowed them to grew food for themselves.

>>18390781
topkek the schizo rant continues

>ask any Stalinists themselves
topkek anon genuinely WHO is out there saying that compared to winning ww2 or industrialization, collectivizing farms is the greatest and defining trait of Stalin lol

>le goulash farms
Okay ?? Can you do about Romania's farms next ?

>because commies lessened choke on their peasantry and allowed them to grew food for themselves
You're going to be shocked when you discover that this occurred through market mechanisms

The fact remains that unless you give people real motivation they will never innovate out of their own will unless they're some mega-autist who'd do it even at a cost because they enjoy it. SU was never going to catch up to the west.

>>18390801
>topkek anon genuinely WHO is out there saying that compared to winning ww2 or industrialization, collectivizing farms is the greatest and defining trait of Stalin lol
Again ask above questions to some stalinists

>You're going to be shocked when you discover that this occurred through market mechanisms
Government regulation aren't market mechanisms dummy.

>>18390912
>Government regulation aren't market mechanisms dummy
The NEM's success was primarily due to the introduction of market mechanisms such as profit retention, free choice of supplier, market price responsiveness etc.
In fact, the opposite is true. By 1980, <1% of the total population were individual private farmers in contrast to 45% 1949. Despite this, agricultural production had not only increased, but also created the largest consumer market in the eastern block. It is almost entirely through market mechanisms that the NEM enabled greater consoooooming.

Also you didn't answer my question : where did you get this retarded idea ? I'm genuinely curious. Was it off a twitter thread ?

>>18390989
>By 1980, <1% of the total population were individual private farmers in contrast to 45% 1949.
You are really dumb commie boi
>>18390643
Non critically chugging commie propaganda.
Yeah all Hungarian rural population was forced to join some sort of cooperation so official stats doesn't count them as "individual private farmers". But there whole world of difference between Hungarian and soviet kolkhoznik regarding their individual production for personal consumption and petite bourgeois market trade.

>>18384857
>How do you keep the Soviet Union from being dismantled?
Market reforms, turn all separatist elements into fertilizer, strict party control. Basically what China does.

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NEM is code word for de-kolkhoziation, aka anti-Stalinism. If Stalin was alive he would've put all this petite bourgeois scum against the wall.

>>18391002
>all Hungarian rural population was forced to join some sort of cooperation
Topkek just admit that market mechanisms matter more than collectivized/individualized

>Also you didn't answer my question : where did you get this retarded idea ? I'm genuinely curious. Was it off a twitter thread ?
You didn't answer the question, what's up with that ?

>>18391010
anti-stalinism by your own logic would've been to decollectivize agriculture, not introduce market mechanisms. If you can't make the difference between a collectivization/plannification I don't know what to tell you

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>>18391016
>decollectivize agriculture,
>>18391010

>>18391028
Let's take this slow for you : if 1 individual has a farm but is forced to produce 5 tons of potato a year, is his farm collectivized ?
Similarly, if 5 individuals are forced to farm together in a co-op, but are free to produce what they want, is the farm individualizd ?
Take your time anon, and feel free to answer to the question I've asked thrice :)

>>18391029
>Let's take this slow for you : if 1 individual has a farm but is forced to produce 5 tons of potato a year, is his farm collectivized ?
>Similarly, if 5 individuals are forced to farm together in a co-op, but are free to produce what they want, is the farm individualizd ?
None of this was in the case of the USSR. So try again with examples of teh real Stalinist collectivization.

>>18391038
But it was in Kadar's NEM. So what is it ? Did markets bring about more productive agriculture ? Or was the success resting on the 0.6% of farmers which had refused socialisation of their farms ?

>>18391064
>So what is it ?
Thing that didn't exist in USSR.