>it was justified because the boots on ground scenario would've been even deadlier o algo>also those kids had it coming, they would've attacked our soldiers with spears n shiet, they were indonctrimunated o algoTrue or muttcope?
>>18388556Allied propaganda. Japan wanted to surrender prior to the atomic bombings. What the US did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki is an unforgivable crime.
>True or muttcope?
>>18388556The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ended World War II.>it was justified because the boots on ground scenario would've been even deadlier o algoTrue. Operation Downfall was projected to result in thousands of Allied casualties, and even ordinary Japanese civillians were going to be mobilized, resulting in many of their deaths too.>also those kids had it coming, they would've attacked our soldiers with spears n shiet, they were indonctrimunated o algoAlso true. The Volunteer Fighting Corps did include teenagers, and they did train with spears.Many say the Soviet invasion of Manchuria and the entry of the Soviet Union fighting against Japan ended the war but that simply isn't true. It was the USA!
>>18388564If you don't anything meaningful to post, get the fuck off this board.
>>18388556The real trvke is that they picked those cities specifically because they had the most christians
>>18388583If it is justified, then it is also justified to use nukes on Iran right now. Iran wants to destabilize the global economic order since they can’t fight the US directly, hence why they’ve attacked everyone around them. A boots on the ground offensive would result in too much manpower and resources being lost compared to a nuke or two being lobbed alongside some carpet bombing offensives. MAD does not apply here as Iran does not have nukes, and the US crippled their nuclear program.
>>18388583Japan wanted to end the war prior to the atomic bombings. There is no justification for slaughtering civilians with nuclear weapons.
>>18388826Go back>>>/pol/
>>18388556White peoples lives will always take precedent in White vs shitskin wars. We don't owe thirdies a fair fight. And they did plenty worse against their fellow asians. Imagine what they would've done if they could get those balloon bombs working and could actually deploy all the bio weapons they had Unit 731 cooking up against White civilians… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb>>18388912They didn't lol. Japs tried to murder their own emperor and the people who were trying to announce the surrender. All Japanese “peace deals” were “You stop killing us and we get to keep all the land we’ve stolen including yours (;”
>>18388971>I'm le epic Nietzschean sociopathic racist warrior>now let me moralfag about Unit 731 to explain why I bombed random kids
>>18388556Fuck the nips. Should have slaughtered all the males and kept the women for breeding. All asian women are genetically hardwired to crave BWC anyway so they would gave been ecstatic.
>>18388989>All asian women are genetically hardwired to crave BWCWhy is this so true?
>>18388853The US in 1945 had a monopoly on nuclear weapons. Now many more countries have nuclear weapons, some of which are US rivals. No one wants to be the first to use nukes tactically, because the moment they do so, they set a dangerous precedent. Next you'll see Russia using nukes against Ukraine, or China using nukes against Taiwan.
>>18389002Why would you nuke territory you want to conquer and turn it into a radioactive dump that is of no practical use to you?
>>18388556American war strategy is just to kill as many civilians as possible to blackmail the government into surrendering.This 'worked' for Japan but didn't work in the Korean and Vietnamese wars, because the North Korean and Vietnamese governments didn't care how many of their citizens died.It's only because Japan is a moral society that cares for its people they were forced to surrender to American war crimes
>>18388556Muttcope If the bombs were ready for Germany, they would have been used in Germany with the same justifications that the masses would have fought to the last screaming infant with spears and rocks. And that'd we'd have done them all a favor. Instead Germany surrendered early/the bombs were finished late, and Japan was chosen instead with the justification that the bombs were saving lives.
>>18389006Because nuclear weapons (especially low yield) can destroy military infrastructure far better than any conventional explosive. But the moment they are deployed in this way, they become 'tactical' weapons, and that invites countries to begin using them more often.
>>18388974stay mad, should've been three times
>>18389054Xi owns you lil boi
>>18388556Nobody cares about gooks and they should have nuked them thrice. Hell, I'd support 5 or 6 nukes, preferably with the continued genocide of whatever was left of asians or shitskins on the Hitler's side, with the continued bombings of the concentration camps so kikes would continue dying from typhus and hunger. To the average self-proclaimed pathetic white supremacists with a fetish for bugmen these days, japs may as well be deities. The allies didn't go far enough.
>>18388556Mostly muttcope.Bombing civilians is never an acceptable means to win a war.The mutts themselves understood this moral rationale but waited until the 1970s before changing international law so ban targeting civilians via bombing, so that those who had actually done it would have passed of old age and thus not prosecuted.If anyone would have applied the same logic of bombing civilians because "they all deserve it for the crimes of their government" and "it's an acceptable way to win a war" in 2026, you would instantly be labeled a psychopath by the overwhelming majority of the worlds population.But WW2 has a heavy near-mythological aspect to it, especially among Americans, so this paralel is rarely explored and many times aggressively defended.
>>18389066what shade of brown are you?
>>18389129Brahmin BVLL raping your people out of existence as we speak. Wouldn't make a difference even when I would say that I am I am phenotypically a Nordid, subuman. Anime is shit btw.
>>18388560>>18388556Why didn't the citizens leave when the leaflets were dropped? Why did Japanese authorities punish people for even picking up leaflet warnings? Did they want their citizens to die?
>>18389164Many of the cities that were bombed in Germany and Japan were full of refugees.And picking up leaflets was a death-sentence in the USSR as well. All authoritarian regimes during the war did this.
>>18388971>Japs tried to murder their own emperorNot true. A small amount of officers attempted to prevent the Emperor's surrender broadcast from being played. They never tried to kill the Emperor.>All Japanese “peace deals” were “You stop killing us and we get to keep all the land we’ve stolen including yours (;”First of all, Japan didn't steal any land from the Allies during the war, they liberated Asian countries from western colonialism. Secondly, when Japan wanted to end the war in 1945 they only wanted to preserve their pre-WW2 empire.
>>18389181So authoritarian regimes don't care if their own citizens die. Why should the enemies care then?
>>18388989Seethe, Zhang.
>>18389164>when the leaflets were dropped?Never happened.
>>18389256What right did they have to make these demands?>liberatedTaking a different nations colony and making it your own colony isn't liberation. Intentionally starving POWs and expats is also a crime.
>>18389270>What right did they have to make these demandsWhat right did America have to massacre civilians?>Taking a different nations colony and making it your own colony isn't liberationCounties in the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere where independent under Japanese protection. Only Taiwan and Korea were colonies of Japan.>Intentionally starving POWs and expats is also a crime.Starvation was caused by the Allies targeting Japanese shipping. This affected not only Allied POW's but also Japanese soldiers and civilians.
>>18389293>What right did America have to massacre civilians?Wasn't intentional. US dropped leaflets. The citizens should of known not to leave cities with major industry supporting the war.
>>18389293Again still doesn't answer my question. Japan was in no position to make demands. They lost and should of accepted the terms given but they needlessly prolonged the war which led to more civilians deaths.
>>18388556breeder glaze in 2026 tho?
>>18389293>Counties in the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere where independent under Japanese protectionThen why did they forcibly conscript citizens from Indonesia and Polynesia without consent from those nations leaders? Why did the Japanese force in Indonesia snub Sukkarno and forbid the playing of the Indonesian National Anthem or have any Indonesian flags be shorter than the Japanese flag?
>>18389293>Starvation was caused by the Allies targeting Japanese shippingCan only be arguably true at the end of the war. In the Phillipines the Japanese rounded American expats locking them in a University and denied them supplies from the beginning of the invasion.
>o algo
>>18389256>First of all, Japan didn't steal any land from the Allies during the war, they liberated Asian countries from western colonialismAh great point anon, I almost forgot about japan's noble humanitarian efforts throughout Asia, like the 1937 "Liberation and Restoration of Nanjing" or whatever the name was
>>18388853Iran and Imperial Japan are not equivalent threats. Iran has nothing but geography to leverage. Japan had literal millions of indoctrinated zealots eager to die while taking one with them and an actual capacity for industrial warfare. Using a nuke against Iran would be like killing a fly by dropping a house on it.
The nukes created Godzilla so they were justified in a way.
>>18389256>Secondly, when Japan wanted to end the war in 1945 they only wanted to preserve their pre-WW2 empire.They were 3 years too late for that. If they did that immediately after Midway it might have worked.
>>18388556>muttcopeWe won, retard, we don’t have to “cope” about anything. Learn a few more words in English.
>>18388556The only purpose of the nukes was to have an excuse to kill dozens of thousands of Catholics. Jews and Protestants love that.
>>18388556The sub blockade being absolutely effective and rendering Japan completely incapable of waging war or even feeding its own people, and (hindsight being 20/20, completely negating both a land invasion and the A bombings) should be stickied. Unironically, it should be the first thing people read when they visit this board
>>18390276On the jews and their lies should be stickied and the first thing people read when they come to this board.
>>18390060The US could've scrounged up an excuse to nuke Manila or even Hanoi and killed more Azn Catholics than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined
>o algored flag that op is a midwit
>>18388556it was a show of power demonstrating to the world their new toy. 100k+ killed to show stalin but he already knew about the bombs. the manhattan project was deeply infiltrated by soviet spies. only a few more years untill the russians had their own versionnothing about morality or lack thereoff imo, just cynical geopolitics
>>18389372>we have a magical superweapon that obliterates cities, this leaf says so>civilians better move somewhere else because if it's not the blast, radiation will end you (censored in the media, not to be faced with the horrors of your own doing)>"we're the good guys btw"YEAH KILL'EM is not a good strategy
>>18388974Being antiwhite rots the soul anon.Improve yourself.
Who needs it justified to them
>>18390406Why didn't they leave? America also dropped the leaflets for regular bombs too.
>>18388556America made two mistakes after WW2...1) allowing Israel to exist (contradicts cristianity)2) allowing any other nation to have nukes (compromises national security and global dominion)
>>18390406>giving warnings actually makes you EVILRetard.
>>18390060Never understood this argument. So you are saying they deliberately chose the targets to kill Japanese Catholics? Do you have a source for that?
>>18390513if i dropped leaflets saying that i'm going to create a black hole where you live, would you believe me and abandon your home (you were warned)? guess empathy and perspective for some is too spiceyi sometimes try to put myself in other shoes, i can't help it. and no, mass killing civilians is not a good look, and rationalising mass civilian murder is psycho-tiernot that nips have clean hands but an eye for an eye makes the world blind
>>18390660So you would rather have a ground invasion of Japan?>if i dropped leaflets saying that i'm going to create a black hole where you live, would you believe me and abandon your home (you were warned)?Yes I would, especially if you just got done doing it to the house over.
>>18390660You have 2 options. Use the atomic bombs to end the war or a ground invasion which one will you choose?>just Treaty of Versailles JapanNot on the table. Your only two options are the first ones. Japan is no way getting out of unconditional surrender and their homding in mainland asia and other islands are going to be taken away. Which one do you choose?
>>18388556>japan refuse to surrender without keeping their emperor>gets nuked>japan surrender and get to keep their emperorYeah it was entirely unnecessary and just a flex at the soviets.
>>18390837Just shows how benevolent the Americans were. They could of easily stopped all the death sooner if they agreed to the unconditional surrender even before the bombs dropped.
>>18388913Not wrong>>18388974>>18388971Who are these posts directed at?Or are you always vaguely angry?
>>18388556Who are we even trying to justify the use of this weapon to?It's not to the US people. Those governed by the US will not revoke their consent to be governed because of war crimes.It's not to international courts. The US is immune from international prosecution due to its economic and veto power.It's not to japan. A breakdown in agreements between the US and Japan is impossible because it would hurt the japanese people.The involvement of noncombatants at this scale is unambiguously a war crime- global politics are only structured right now so that there cannot be any justice for this crime. This may be changing though in the rising multipolar world we find ourselves in; as US power continues to decay, the US state may actually have to begin to pay for its crimes if it wishes to continue its existence.
>>18391059>the US state may actually have to begin to pay for its crimes if it wishes to continue its existenceNever going to happen because we have nukes. We will burn the world before we ever bend the knee to thirdies.
>>18391059>the US state may actually have to begin to pay for its crimesNo such thing occurred as the US has done nothing wrong.
>>18391059>This may be changing though in the rising multipolar world we find ourselves inHaving a good laugh rn
>>18391033Shown me proof America deliberately picked those cities to specifically kill the Christian population then
>>18388853What a dumbass idea. Iran would absolutely retaliate if we nuked them.
>>18389066The idea that following your instincts is not NPC behavior is laughable. Those are quite literally your biological programming. If anything it's by building meaning through symbols and culture that you escape that condition and the Japanese are some of the best at doing that.
>>18391059LmaoHows that cardboard ayatollah doin
>>18389372>US dropped leaflets. False, you're lying.
>>18389375America caused civilian deaths by dropping the atomic bombs when they didn't need to.
>>18389380>Then why did they forcibly conscript citizens from Indonesia and Polynesia without consent from those nations leaders? They chose to fight on the side of Japan.>Why did the Japanese force in Indonesia snub Sukkarno and forbid the playing of the Indonesian National Anthem or have any Indonesian flags be shorter than the Japanese flag?It was the Dutch colonial government that suppressed Indonesia, not Japan.
>>18389384>In the Phillipines the Japanese rounded American expats locking them in a University and denied them supplies from the beginning of the invasion.Source?>>18389589>Believing CCP nanking atrocity propaganda Reminder that it's impossible for 300,000 people to be killed in a city of 250,000.
>>18389259you don't need to "care"just don't pretend to be morally superior when you start killing innocent human beingsthe worst thing about it is the hypocrisy
Japan would have never invented anime if not for those nukes and so they are retroactively not only justified but morally right.
>>18388560No japan didnt you retard. If they did they would have done this cool fucking thing called surrendering. >>18388556You can ignore 100% of potential US casualties and it still saved lives. 10s of thousands of allied asians were done under Jap occupation, and the japanese were rapidly heading for complete famine. So if we literally go ok no nuke, and we go no US land invasion. More japanese and other asians die from famine, and japanese bullets and swords then were killed by the nukes in like the next month, and then twice as many the month after that. Look at weekly casualties leading up to surrender, they were only going up across the theatre. There is no moral ground to stand on when trying to say the Nukes were bad if you value human life. If you dont value human life then arguments could be made.
>>18389026I cant imagine being this fucking stupid. Japan took civilian casualties far beyond anything in korea or vietnam. There has never been a regime in human history that ignored the plight of its civilains more than imperial japan. Except maybe if genocides count, then its burma 1 japan 2.
>>18392667The Allies still are morally superior since they dropped leaflets telling the people to leave. Allies did their best most of the time to prevent civilian casualties. The Axis deliberately targeted civilians. Manilla massacre is just one example of Japanese soldiers murdering Filipinos in their homes before fleeing the islands.
>>18392749>No japan didnt you retard.Yes they did. Japan wanted a negotiated surrender that would guarantee the safety of the Emperor after the war. The US refused to enter into negotiations, instead demanding "unconditional surrender." They used this as an excuse to massacre civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki with atomic bombs.
>>18392701Anime existed since before WW2, idiot.
>>18392856>The Allies still are morally superior since they dropped leaflets telling the people to leaveNo they didn't.>Allies did their best most of the time to prevent civilian casualties. The Axis deliberately targeted civilians. The US deliberately massacred civilians during their bombing of Japan. Japan didn't target civilians.>Manilla massacre is just one example of Japanese soldiers murdering Filipinos in their homes before fleeing the islandsManilla massacre was committed by the US. Philippines should be grateful to Japan since it was Japan that liberated them and gave them independence.
>>18392754>There has never been a regime in human history that ignored the plight of its civilains more than imperial japan.Japan fought to protect it's civilians. Why are you blaming Japan for deaths directly (and deliberately) caused by the US?
>>18388560>military stages a coup to keep the war going AFTER the first bomb
>>18388560>Japan wanted to surrender prior to the atomic bombings.Retards always say this but never continue with what the Japanese surrender terms were. If they had been accepted you would have been whining about that instead.
>>18393109>Japan wanted a negotiated surrender that would guarantee the safety of the Emperor after the war.They also wanted no restrictions on the japanese military post war, no occupation of japanese territory and to conduct their own war crime trials against the japanese military and civilian officials. Do I really need to explain to you why these terms were completely fucking unacceptable?
>>18388556>the boots on ground scenario would've been even deadlier o algoThis is 100% true.>they would've attacked our soldiers with spears n shiet, they were indonctrimunated o algoThis is 100% true.The only question I can think of is if dropping the bombs in less populated places would've gotten the message across, but the US also had to show they can be ruthless to end the war. Also given the time sensitivity, there likely wasn't that much time to properly assess every possible option.
Why do brown people identify with the Japanese more than Americans anyway? Pure resentment?
>>18393123FVCK you, my grandfather was a Filipino Lieutenant-Colonel in the Guerilla Army of the Japanese Occupied American-Philippines. The Japanese often murdered innocent civilians like the American nurses my grandfather tried to protect. The Japanese were shameless and they targeted nurses and teachers even. I am proud Panay-anon, Happy Liberation of Panay from Imperial Japan, day.
>>18393152I don't. My grandfather vividly remembers entire towns here laid waste and strewn full of corpses due to the Japanese. It's sick how Japan was able to get away with so much evil.
>>18393152I think Japan is the bad guy to this day including moder Japan. The nukes were still wrong.
>>18393286That never happened and your grandfather is a damn liar. I'm gonna fly to your island and sire a whole tribe of hapa street urchins who will HATE YOU.
>>18393292Shut up. What I said was real nigga.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxzcjkoL2UMAlso, hahahaha the American landings here in Panay was unopposed by Japan since the Philippine-American Commonwealth Guerillas already control so much of the island.I dare you, to fly to my island, nigga my island is superior than your place it's shaped like a giant heart. Love Conquers All!
Shut up and learn the good manners and gentility of good people, and be "La Muy Leal y Noble Ciudad de Iloilo"(''''MOST''''' Loyal and Noble City of Iloilo -pilled) Our PERPETUAL title was awarded by the Queen of Spain and the Pope.
Stop your arrogant superiority complex, nigger, thinking your damn place and race is superior when the Queen of the entire Spanish Empire awarded us the "PERPETUAL" title of the "MOST Loyal and Noble City of Iloilo, in the ENTIRE Spanish Empire" and the Pope HIMSELF also blessed this. We are also located at the very bottom of the heart, of the heart shaped island of Panay. Literally FROM THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE HEART.
>>18393295NNNNOOOOOOOO!!! I-... I yield, PanayGOD... Please, spare me!
>>18393312Ok since you asked for forgiveness, I forgive UwU.As for our native PanayGod he is Jesus-Mary-AndtheGoldenElephant (the Elephant is the animal symbolizing the Buddha) and Buddhism is the religion of the Srivijaya Empire.Our native Gods still exists in Our Lady of Candles Image in Jaro Cathedral. Showing our undisputed and unbroken lineage back to the Buddhist Srivijaya Empire and even earlier.
Notice the golden Elephant Baby Jesus wears? Our Precolonial god co-exists with God incarnate Jesus!
>>18388556The fact Truman was lying in his speech, explaining Hiroshima was "a military base" and was bombed to prevent civilian deaths is enough to tell you this is just pure muttcope. It just became part of their national mythology.
