If your crime was so bad your sentence is going to be decades you should just be killed. I do believe in death row, stays of execution, and appeals incase you're truly innocent but if you rot in prison for 60 years for something you didn't do what kind of world is it that you're even going back out to? Why should taxpayers pay to keep people alive for the rest of their life?
>>18388882Living your entire life in prison seems like a worse fate than death. It seems like day-in-day-out torture. In that way, you could consider a life sentence to be the harsher punishment.
>>18388882>Why should taxpayers pay to keep people alive for the rest of their life?Because every year we have dozens of guys released from prison after having been falsely convicted because the cops fucked up, the CSI guys fucked up, the prosecutor fucked up, the judge fucked up, witnesses fucked up, etc.Capital punishment isn't a moral issue, everybody will agree that some people are legitimately evil and need to be killed, the problem is the legal system cannot be expected to get it right _100% of the time_ and that must be the only standard that can be applied to capital punishment.
>>18389021we should go by statistics here. How much time does it take on average to discover a false conviction? How much time for 90% of cases? At some point I think a small number of false executions is acceptable because in the end this isn't about the individual but the well being of the nation as a whole
>>18389140> a small number of false executions is acceptableLet’s see how you feel when you’re the one getting executed
>>18389140Utilitarianism is retarded. By that logic it is fine even if the percentage of wrongly convicted is 49% because technically the majority is still benefiting
>>18389140>At some point I think a small number of false executions is acceptable You are a retard.>because in the end this isn't about the individual but the well being of the nation as a wholeThe well being of the nation is addressed by imprisonment, no need to kill someone when you can't be 100% sure they did the crime.
>>18389140Hope you get falsely accused of rape one day like many people are so you realise what a giant retard you are.
>>18388882The economics actually means it ends up being cheaper to just keep them alive. All the measures to make sure you aren't killing an innocent person are very expensive.
>>18389683Except the people are not done with the individual as they are not paying taxes to keep him sheltered, clothed, and fed. Why not just hang the serial killer and get it done with? What point is there is just having him locked in a room for decades? There is no rehabilitation being done, he is a burden upon everyone, morally he just languishing away he is not truly living merely existing.
>>18389149Probably shitty, but would you or anyone else care? No, you would go on with your life and not give it a second thought. You will keep paying your taxes and watching your slop television and other media with little moments of impotent outrage on some cause or issue to let everyone know what a good and moral boy you are before going back to the same routine.
>>18389140>At some point I think a small number of false executions is acceptableUntil it's you but then it's too late. Fucking idiot.
>>18390199If you're killing innocent people in the process just so you can save money then you're basically as bad as the serial killer.
>>18390201>You will keep paying your taxes and watching your slop television and other media with little moments of impotent outrage on some cause or issue to let everyone know what a good and moral boy you are before going back to the same routine.>you don't want to be potentially executed for a crime you didn't commit? Wow virtue signalling muchEither a child or an adult with a brain as developed as a child, either way tragically retarded.
Why don't we make people drink hemlock anymore? It seems like a good alternative to lethal injection, which isn't reliable.
>>18389140>At some point I think a small number of false executions is acceptable because in the end this isn't about the individual but the well being of the nation as a wholeAt that point we might as well also start just culling children born below the poverty line to statistically lower crime rates.
>>18389140>execute someone>turns out he was falsly blamed>"our bad haha"10/10 jurisdictional systemwe had a case here where a girl was flirting with a student, went to his dorm, had sex, spent the night, morning later he asked if it she was ok. "can't remember anything but i was raped".imagine asking for consent and being branded a rapist anyway. >she was intoxicatedso was he, so quite easy to mirror the rape accusations. he didn't get any charges but he got doxxed and nailed to the cross on social media
>>18389140You deserve to get falsely convicted and raped in prison lol. Oopsie daisy!
>>18389140This. A small sacrifice is acceptable for the satisfaction that no bad people get away with their evilness, and think they're hot shit and that society doesn't have the balls to stop them.>but muh falsely accusedWe're only talking serious and serial crime. You don't get just oopsie falsely convicted of those. And what if there is 100% irrefutable proof? You got caught in 4K slashing an entire maternity ward. Oh well forgive and forget, I'm sure they'll turn a new leaf.
>>18390410>A small sacrificeyes just say our bad when you hang the innocent, that's what happens in a civilised countrywhy not get rid of trials and start lynching people left and right instead, presumably they deserved it, especially when they're black
>>18390331because hemlock is free. lethal injection is designed to be as expensive as possible
>>18388882The government doesn't have the right to take a human life. They should just send them to an island instead
>>18390395if he was using SM then he deserved every bad thing that came to him
>>18388945To you and me yes.However to the average criminal, life in prison is not much different than life outside.They will still be violent, impulsive and do drugs. Same thing they do at home.>>18389021Execute those officials when that is proven, they will get their shit together.>>18390085This is only a problem in US.>>18390502Rights don't exist, there is only power and ability to keep it.
>>18390594>However to the average criminal, life in prison is not much different than life outside.Nah, I think there’s a very good reason they don’t want to be stuck in prison. They say “I ain’t goin back” and risk their lives for a reason.
>>18390583but she approached him, proven by cctv footage. there is no doubt whatsoever about what happened. the whole deal is retarded hence he didn't get any punishment because the judge wasn't full of shit. got branded class justice because he did med school. yes you have to have connections in higher places to go to med school. i'm an engineer and in this case they would have spouted the same garbage while i was on a scholarship with a 12m^2 roomand what kind of rapist spends the night with his victim and asks if she's alright the morning after
>>18390201>Probably shitty, but would you or anyone else care?why the fuck do you think people become defense attorneysit's to prevent shit like this from happening
>>18390199>Why not just hang the serial killer and get it done with?Because you can't be sure he actually is the serial killer.Again; there are dozens of guys getting released from prison every year because they were falsely convicted and there are who knows how many more falsely convicted guys still in prison.>>18390594>Execute those officials when that is proven, they will get their shit together.Except it won't be proven because once the (falsely convicted) guy is executed, nobody is going to bother trying to prove his innocence.
>>18388882OP, I used AI to frame you for killing a woman. You’re going to be executed tommorow so you aren’t a burden on the taxpayers
>>18390785>I do believe in death row, stays of execution, and appeals
>>18388882Death isn't a punishment if the intent is to punish.
>>18390794You equate punishment as something to learn from. It is not
>>18390821My point is that life is zero sum and death is just a reset to 0 from non-existence. A person doesn't experience death so they don't experience a punishment.
>>18390942Yeah they do. Their life is cut short. Because life is a gift and worth treasuring, them missing out on continued life is the punishment.
>>18388882The death penality is wasteful, use the people on death row or lifetime in prison as medical test subjects.
>>18390956>them missing out on continued lifeIsn't the logic here is that they are somehow aware of this in death?
>>18391026I am unaware while asleep but I know before I rest my head on my pillow because of this need I am missing out on things.
>>18391072But do you know it while you are asleep?
>>18388882The death penality is demanded by God.
>>18390452What do you mean?
>>18390410> We're only talking serious and serial crime. You don't get just oopsie falsely convicted of those.Fucking retard
>>18390594*tips fedora*
>>18391075No i don't. No different than if I was dead
>>18388882The solution is obvious: let the inmates on death row pick the time of their execution. Once someone gets a death sentence, and there is no more appeals, they can still ask to postpone the sentence, and if they do that, they get back to prison. And then, in every few years, they will be asked again if they want the execution postponed again.If they are innocent, and still hold some hope that evidence will come up, they will probably ask for postponement, in which case it becomes the same as a life sentence. It's still possible that an innocent gets executed because they cannot take being in prison anymore, but at least they it's their choice to some degree.
