Can you give me historical examples of how giving women rights causes lower birth rates and civilizational decadence? I'm especially interested in Greece and Rome
>>18389932I'm not going to, and you know why? It doesn't matter. Stop trying to appeal to the past, it is dead and gone, its social structure and economic calculus are so alien to the modern world that you do more harm than good by espousing their values. You are better off just saying that women are retarded, you want a bloodline, and therefore they need their rights taken away. No appeals to the past, no appeals to God, that's it. I want to cum in a pussy and be certain that my own flesh and blood comes out of it. That's it. Simple as that.
>>18389945>Board is called /his/>is upset i asked a historical question
>>18389949You are intellectually lazy and a coward. Just admit what you want and damn the costs.
>>18389952nigga nobody said that i didnt want pussy. I asked if the collapse of our society is to be blamed on women or other factors or if its just a sign of decadence. And than you came here talking about rape lol
>>18389932>civilizational decadenceWtf does that even mean? If women rights are inversely proportional to the level of civilization of a society, then the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is the most civilized country on Earth right now
>>18389958I said nothing about rape. Again, you are a coward who needs to justify his inclinations with "tradition" and "empirical evidence." Just admit what you want and shut the fuck up. We can discuss why older civilizations controlled women, and their opinions on it, but it's a historical discussion on the cultural mindset of the ancients, not a justification for contemporary politics.
>>18389963it is a strong society though.they fought the us and ussr and won and they have a very good birth rate. The west was had also similar unequal laws when it was rising and when it was in its peak
>>18389967If my inclinations lead to the decline of our civilization they are degenerate. This is why i asked if it is historically beneficial to a society to give women rights
Decadence and women's rights are both consequences of increased prosperity. After the industrial revolution much of the population rose from the masses of peasants to a lower-middle and middle class, women had more opportunities to earn above subsistence wages since many jobs no longer involved hard labor or the security of being a man in that time. Women had more negotiating power in society, further men hoped to enlist women to vote for the same causes.Fertility rates had started to fall by the 1890s, before women had the vote. So the vote was more a consequence of social changes that had already taken place. Though women were a fraction more likely to vote for "progressives" and socialists and so influence social changes later.
>>18389968>a military success>birth rateTwo barely relevant metrics among thousands means it's a "strong society?" Agenda-pushing behavior.
>>18389993Women have always wanted to not be treated as second class. No one actually appreciates having no rights and being treated as inherently inferior. However for 99% of human existence there was no real way for women to form or codify any kind of actual "movement" or "ideology". So it never advanced beyond isolated instances of individual women attempting to achieve something or more rarely women temporarily uniting under a particular immediate political cause.It was the advent of Industrialization that created what we today would call "Feminism". Industrialization achieved two very important things. First it concentrated women into a small area both geographically (as in they all moved into the cities) and locally (They were now all placed together in factories and businesses in large numbers). This allowed them to communicate, share ideas, and organize on a scale that was never before possible, both among themselves personally and through mass media such as newspapers. The second was that by making them a part of a single interchangeable "Labor Force" Women now had a means of actually exercising power, that is by collectively bargaining with their labor. Just like Trade Unions in general could extract concessions from society through their collective actions, whether through strikes or other means, Women in particular could now use their new source of leverage to extract concessions from society such as the right to Vote.
>>18389967How does wanting sexual intercourse and basic human affection make someone a coward?
>>18389932Women are inherently neurotic and unstable.When women arent pushing for equal rights without equal obligations, you will catch them lamenting about their own biology. They will admit that they are slaves to their hormone cycles, they will admit that they are aware they are being irrational but are incapable of resisting, they will admit that they will suddenly become tearful or angry over insignificant things at certain points of their cycles. Add to that that as the smaller, weaker, half of the species, physically designed to jiggle to attract males and evolutionarily adapted to present their holes to spare their lives from conquering hordes, they depend on social acceptance and collectivism over individualism It’s just not a good recipe for a decision-maker and I resent the fact that I had to be born into a world where the consequences of women engaging in politics is at its zenith
>>18390383I’ve never read such commie garbage in my life.You’re right the Industrial Revolution was the turning point, but it’s not about youre commie rhetoric about collectively organizing and trade unions. You're so incapable of thinking outside those bounds.It’s literally just that most forms of labor became less physically demanding. And then two world wars happened, women had to step into a lot of roles that men who went to war would ordinarily do. Even after the wars, hundreds of thousands of men had died and so women continued to work.Then there was a series of concessions that slowly replaced the male role in a woman’s life with the state. >right to divorce>equal pay>right to abortion>welfare stateConsequences were slowly taken away from women. It was possible to fuck around without marriage, if you do Mardu you can divorce, if you get pregnant and don’t want it you can kill a baby, if you keep it either your ex-husband or the government will pay for your child. It has been a sociological disaster on a scale never before seen in human history as women continue to vote for policies that increase dependency on the state. Women will sacrifice any individual liberty, a right to privacy, rights to defend yourself, rights of a people to their own nation, etc etc etc as long as the government promises it will do everything it can to fill the male role in women’s lives
>>18389932I think looking at the demographic data of most Western European countries, especially the under-20 year old cohort and urban areas it’s already over for these places and ethno-cultural replacement is only a question of when and not if.They are like a terminal cancer patient that still feels relatively healthy at the moment, but the radiographs show that all treatments have failed and tumor progression and proliferation have become inevitable. I’m only wondering what other modern (modern defined in the sense of Weber) places will learn from the fate of Europe. Will they blame Christcuck ethics with its universalism and glorification of victimhood that once unfettered from its metaphysical grounding lost its only positive self-affirming trait, namely of Christendom possessing absolute theological truth, liberalism with its hyperindividualism and decrying of collective action and ethno-cultural belonging, industrial capitalism with its short-termism and demand for ever cheaper labor or feminism for its destruction of traditional gender norms. I guess there is sum causal overlap between them, but in any case it will be interesting to see what particular lessons other places-say- China or Japan will draw from this. Maybe the silver lining of the downfall of the West is that it will serve as a cautionary tale and blueprint in how NOT to run a civilization. A worthy sacrifice perhaps.
>>18392106The US is the example of you want to see it. All of the biggest US cities are already majority non-white. And that’s with the standard of “white” being exceptionally lenient (see any of the thousands of examples of criminals who are clearly hispanic or mixed being processed as “white).They learned to accept it. It’s part of their cultural identity. They don’t even blink, in fact they tell Europeans that Europe is further along than the US for replacement
>decadenceSuch strange wording. You mean degeneracy? That's what you wanted to say you? Too overused? Didn't think to use it because the idea of hedonism lends itself to decadence?Really, the real reason for civilization collapse is never really from any civil reasons, but from the usual suspects of war, famine, and corruption by the elites.
>>18389945> I want to cum in a pussy and be certain that my own flesh and blood comes out of itSo you're a sex addict. You don't care about your career, your relationships, at least not as much as sexual gratification.
>>18389945this. there's enough material from the 20th and 21st centuries to make a case for deemancipation, no need to appeal to muh jeebus fairytale or tradlarping
