Which means every black American who identifies as Christian is the ultimate Uncle Tom.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%206%3A5-9&version=NIV
If there’s no God, why is slavery wrong?
>>18390573Christards have always been pro slavery, you just can’t enslave other Christians. Otherwise, the slave trade was very much alive and well in the Middle Ages.
>>18390581In muslim countries
>>18390582Also in Europehttps://www.medievalists.net/2025/02/history-slavery-middle-ages/
>>18390575See Kant's Categorical Imperative
>>18390573Muslims slaves:18 million for 1,300 yearsChristian slavery:12 million for 400 years.Both are bad. Why are you ignoring the muslims?
>>18390593Why does the categorical imperative have moral authority?
>>18390601Because he hates Christ and this is just an excuse for it
>>18390602Because it's based upon principles of logic and reason
>>18390601Muslims don't pretend they're champions for the oppressed
>>18390610I'd argue utilitarianism is the more logical secular moral system cause you can actually measure happiness but that's besides the point.
The only reason people hate slavery is it made their pet blacks do something useful before receiving welfare.
>>18390573Don't you think black people like Frederick Douglass thought deeply about the Bible?
>>18390610So what? Why am I bound to “principles of logic and reason”?
>>18390639Why are you bound to a semitic fairy tale? Existential fear? How is that a more compelling justification to believe in something compared to reason/logic?
>>18390641>my argument is that I called God a fairy tale and mumbled something incoherent about the Jews, I am very rational
>>18390612>the rapist who is proud of his rape is better than the rapist who is ashamed and trying to change.
>>18390648Are you saying your ashamed of the New Testament? >>18390645I accept your concession
>>18390656You’re a manchild.
>>18390663If you're unable to come up with a real argument, that should say something
>>18390656Im saying both religions have a history of slavery, but Islam is worse, and OP should talk islam if he really cares about the issue.So far we have established the following:1. Muslims have a longer and more extreme history of it.2. Muslims are not interested in changing, or being champions of the oppressed, but they instead have a prophet that condones and encourages slavery. Other facts we have not discussed yet are as follows:Several of the top 10 countries where modern slavery is prevalent are Muslim-majority.Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Türkiye, United Arab Emirates, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Tajikistan.Many of the lowest-prevalence countries globally are Christian-majority (northern/western Europe: Switzerland, Norway, Germany, Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium) these countries all have strong government responses and anti-slavery enforcement.
>>18390669Classic whataboutism to distract from the topic at hand since the Christians ITT seem unable to defend their own theology
>>18390673I'm just against slavery, and I can see that the Christian egregore is trying to self correct, and reduce slavery, so I dont need to worry about it much. However, the Islam egregore is proud of it's ability to manipulate and control others, and it is actively trying to expand its control.
>>18390669It’s hilarious how western muzzies have this heightened sense of what they perceive of as human rights yet still remain Muslim. Like legitimately one of the largest slaveholding civilizations to ever exist, and not once before the 20th century did any Muslim, cleric or sultan, bother to question the prevalence of slavery or its importance in Islamic society. That’s because it was usually seen as a tool of subjugation, but now that Muslims definitely lost the subjugation struggle to western powers, they’ve had no choice but to pivot. And westernized ones drive me up a wall because they legitimately believe slavery is wrong and are such social soapboxers, yet continue to participate in a religion that was happy with wanton enslavement and just cope by trying to retroactively frame Islam and actually compatible with their newer form of thinking.
>>18390610So what makes truth objective?
>>18390666You mean like seething about how I don’t like God or Jews? A real argument like that?
>>18390683>retroactivelyYes. We all make mistakes. If we were to stop participating in the dialogue, we would have to repeat those mistakes in order to learn our lesson again. I dont want to repeat the mistakes of past generations, so I am going to participate in the religion that remembers and acknowledges the mistakes of the past, and has decided to repent of them.They are like a dream when one awakes; when you arise, Lord, you will despise them as fantasies.
>>18390673There is nothing wrong with owning slaves. There, easy to defend
>>18390696>the system of though that implicates a certain truth was so off the mark here, but no biggie, we’ll do better next time uwu>real life and the suffering past mistakes made are just like bad dreams lmaoPeople like you actually make me root for Israel jfc…
>>18390691I'm attacking Christianity specifically in this case, keep up
>>18390706>IsraelIsrael is off the market, by definition. It is a name that "wrestles with God and Man.". This is conceptually the idea of going back and forth to find the mark. In terms of bad dreams. Yes. If you touch a stove, it will burn you. But when you learn your lesson, it becomes a fantasy, because you never touch the stove again. You simply remember it as something you despise.
>>18390713A memory =/= a fantasy and stating that Christians owe no explanation for their holy book condoning slavery is as intellectually lazy as it is morally bankrupt
>>18390708And you’re an irrational manchild. Facts don’t care about your feelings, kiddo
>>18390713>comparing touching a stove to literally millennia of warfare and enslavementSure, whatever lets you sleep at night Abdul.
>>18390716Still not hearing any argument from you as to why the NT condoning slavery is acceptable
>>18390706>off the markPure liberalism (unbridled freedom), is not the answer either at the moment. You cant do anything you want. We are all slaves to the laws of reality. So there is more nuance to this concept of slavery than just, "free good, slave bad".
>>18390719Because there’s no other standard of morality but the law of God.
>>18390723>The law of a schizo Rabbi with a God complexFTFY*
>>18390725noooooooo not the heckin niggerinoooooooooos
>>18390721No one said about doing anything you want. But any religious system that professes an absolute truth to itself, that can justify such an action that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny, especially if it’s something that has been as core to its social structure as Islam and slavery is clearly not something worth putting additional effort in. Same thing with Mormons and their racial structure, it’ was something fundamental to the religion and when it broke, the cat was out today the bad and now they had to change their outlook, which makes you go “then why the fuck am I even bother professing this religion if they don’t even know what the fuck they want”
>>18390719Because I think slavery is acceptable
>>18390729>>18390731It makes more sense when you realize Christians view themselves as Brides of Christ and hence see their relationship with God as that of an abused spouse with no intrinsic dignity or value outside of their relationship
>>18390734Negros are not able to maintain any sort of civilization on their own beyond that of gorillas. We don’t want them to live in squalor, so we’re going to be their keeper anyway you slice it. Might as well get some light domestic and agricultural labor out of them.
>>18390725Ok, you don’t want a conversation
>>18390756You're the one refusing to even try to justify your position
>>18390601>Christian slavery:>12 million for 400 years.Uhh, no. Christians enslaved each other during the medieval era
>>18390730>why the fuck am I even bother professing this religion if they don’t even know what the fuck they wantIt is important to maintain the fidelity of code, so that we do not forget the lessons of previous generations.I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.Ignoring religion is like saying that we dont need to understand our DNA anymore, because our DNA is not perfect.
>>18390719>Paul giving advice to slaves is somehow the same as him condoning it.Why do atheists have notoriously bad reading comprehension skills?
>>18390896>Slaves obey your mastersIs explicitly condoning slavery no matter what headcanon you might employ
>>18390575There's nothing objectively wrong about it. I might find it subjectively wrong because I emphasize with the slaves or because I enjoy the self-perception of myself as someone who doesn't support slavery
>>18390981See>>18390593
>>18390968Its just advice. You are the one wanting to see something that is not there due to your anti-christian bias.
>>18390968>scientists, obey the laws of physicsWhether or not a scientist "condones" the laws of physics, they exist, and must be obeyed. However, just because someone tells you that you are a scientist, that doesn't make them one. Only those who have the scientific method as their master are scientists. This is why Christ is King, and the truth will set you free.
>>18390996Advice that legitimizes slavery through a religious framework
>>18391001And? I think all NEETs should be enslaved, for their own good.
>>18391001I think you are just missing the context. The whole letter to the Ephesians is about duty. Read the rest of it. There are instructions to mothers, fathers, sons, wives, husbands. And yes, slaves and their masters as well. It was just the reality of the time. And the way I see it, Paul was giving instructions to slaves, to rethink their service as serving the Lord instead of their masters as some sort of cope due to said slavery. Why would Paul add that other passage about reframing slavery like that, if he supposedly saw nothing wrong with it, hm? Its right there in the same screenshot you posted, Ephesians 6:7-8.
>>18390715>memory =/= a fantasyThey are "like" a dream when one awakes; when you arise, Lord, you will despise them "as" fantasies.If you don't like a memory, dont repeat it.
>>18390717If you dont like war and enslavement, stop doing it, but you can't make a choice without the fidelity of the memory.Enough is enough. what is written is reaching its fulfillment
>>18391001>legitimizesAccording to the Gospels, the "teachers of the law" might hold a recognized position of authority in society, but the Gospels present this authority as limited, flawed, and ultimately subordinate to Jesus' own divine authority.I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be masters with authority, though they are not, but are liars, I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.
>>18391024>DUDE I know you're upset that I killed your ancenstors and enslaved your family but have you ever considered that GOD willed it that way?Ok kike>Why would PaulBecause he wants infinity goyslaves>>18391053>"teachers of the law" might hold a recognized position of authority in society, but the Gospels present this authority as limited, flawed, and ultimately subordinate to Jesus' owndon't tell this to saul and kikelick church
>>18391024>>18391053So you're saying the Bible isn't the word of God? Good to know.
>>18391078The Bible is the inspired word of God, written by men. Islam, however, to your point, does worship their book as if it is some kind of a magical being, and they will cut off your head if you disagree.If righteousness or justification could be achieved by keeping the law, then Christ’s death was unnecessary and in vainThe simple believe anything, but the prudent give thought to their stepsAll the Law and the Prophets hang on two commandments. Love your neighbor as yourself. I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.
>>18391097>The Bible is the inspired word of God, written by men.So why should anyone take the Bible seriously if it's written by corrupt men who condone institutions such as slavery?
>>18391077seethe more, tranny
>>18391102>So why should anyone take books seriously if they are written by imperfect men who condone inventions that depend on the laws of physics?Because even though an understanding of atomic energy can cause great harm, it can also be used for good. If we don't have a fidelity of code, and a record of our findings, we would just be animals living in a cave.Now that wr have a record of how awful atomic bombs are, we are motivated not to set another one off, and instead, use our evolving code to produce more desired effects.
>>18391102And why should anyone take you seriously if you are not interested in truth at all? You seem to be more interested in slandering christianity by cherrypicking out of context verses instead of refuting the points that we have been raising to you. You just keep going "Nuh Uh" and stubbornly cling to your own points despite being shown other perspectives. You should focus instead on a meaningful rebuttal and not dish out intellectually lazy responses that you think make you look smart. You can do better than that.
>>18390573>If a man strikes his slave with a rod and the slave dies, he shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be punished, for the slave is his money -ExodusA blatant case of human commodification. Jesus as part of the trinity, is also the author of the old Testament. Even the new testament fails to explicitly abolish slavery.
>>18390601Manumission was more common in the Middle East.
>>18391150>atheism led us to me schizoposting about healthcare being satanicYour problem.
>>18391102>condone institutions such as slaveryI dont think it does this. It seems to have another meaning where it says that you should submit to the highest authority, which might not be some person who is claiming to be your master. Also, jesus is not Paul, so no one should be worshiping Paul and his words.
>>18391204If you reject Pauline Christianity you reject a lot of the NT thereby conceding the Bible isn't the word of God
>>18391165Pure projection based on what I said earlier about your posts. Embarrassing.
>>18391251I don't reject humble truth.
1 Timothy 1 condemns "slave traders">Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately; this means understanding that the law is laid down not for the righteous but for the lawless and disobedient, for the godless and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their father or mother, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who engage in illicit sex, slave traders, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I was entrusted.However, Ephesians 6 addresses Christian slave owners and does not condemn owning slaves, but rather merely tells them to be nice to their slaves>And, masters, do the same to them. Stop threatening them, for you know that both of you have the same Lord in heaven, and with him there is no partiality.
>>18391252Sure buddy, try harder next time.
Christianity in its early days was very popular with slaves, so it had to be circumspect about what it told the slaves lest it bring the wrath of the Roman authorities down on the movement for encouraging a slave revolt. Same reason Jesus told people to pay their taxes. The logic behind a lot of stuff in Christianity assumes the faithful are an underground movement without much political power.
>>18391354Again I accept your concession
>>18390981So if there’s nothing wrong about it, there also is no objection to it.
