>>18391173
Is this the one that ripped people's hearts out for the big bird, or was that the Aztecs or the Mayans. Or did all three do that. RIP to all those innocent men. Lol.

>>18391173
You farmed potatoes/corn/guinea pigs/llamas and occasionally got drafted to work on huge state engineering projects and military campaigns of expansion and then the rulers threw parties to keep you happy

the crazy thing about the inca empire and its corvee labor/labor tax system is that it only existed for like a single century yet it left a disproportionate amount of engineering so impressive a significant portion of the human race refuses to believe it wasn't made by the hands of aliens/atlantis. it's unironically the single biggest VGH WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN in history in my opinion

>>18391177
No incas had no human sacrifice, if they met the Aztecs they'd probably be disgusted and declare a holy war

>>18391173
They’re ass in age of empires holy fuck talk about a fall from greatness. They went from spamming one unit to needing 3 types of combined arms just to fend off a basic euro army.

>>18391173
Better than any Germanic cities

>>18391225
The Inca did absolutely practice human sacrifice. It was just more similar to the way some Old World cultures practiced human sacrifice, i.e in times of desperation the village elder may command a girl to be sacrificed or the Emperor may order the sacrifice of all his closest servants in case he dies. It wasn't quite as institutionalized or integrated into warfare as it was in Mesoamerica, but they did have it.

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>>18391225
>No incas had no human sacrifice
Please sit down anon.

>>18391225
>No incas had no human sacrifice, if they met the Aztecs they'd probably be disgusted and declare a holy war
I doubt it. Only the soulless eurofags are pro-NOFUN, Incas would probably think it was badass and cool like anyone else who isn't otherwise mentally defective and incapable of recognizing something awesome.

>>18391173
The funniest thing about the Incas is their boomers continued to own all their properties after death as mummy landlords instead of leaving inheritance for their children. As the generations passed, mummy estates became a heavy burden on the economy.

>>18391217
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbQjHb8iaMc

>>18391274
Are you implying europeans had no human sacrifice, cause in that case you're absolutely fucking retarded.

>>18391173
This would be alright for someone not well-versed in the Inca Empire, but it has many inaccuracies and omissions.

For example Machu Picchu is at the edge of the Amazon, the main crops cultivated on its terraces were coca leaves and maize, the same as in the yunga altitudinal ecological zone elsewhere.

Potatoes on the other hand are a crop from the harsh cold climate of the puna altitudinal ecological zone, which generally consists of plateau areas.

>>18391173
The main plaza, which is in the background, was turned into a green pasture in modern times.

In Inca times it was covered with a layer of clay and compacted granite sand, so that when it rained it wouldn’t turn into mud and would instead channel water into the drainage system.

And at the center of the plaza there was a wanka, ie a large roughly rectangular natural-looking monolith, it was buried in 1978 so a helicopter could land.

>>18391173
The floors of the houses’ interiors (though they cannot be seen in the image) were also compacted, made with sand, clay, and lime, the latter helping retain heat.

I heard they didn’t have currency and their society was labour exchange based, which is neat. People always bring it up as some sort of Porto-communism, but I think that’s quite reductive, I always wondered what it would have been like if they were around for a few more decades.

>>18391173
The walls of the houses made of rough stone or pirca (the majority of buildings), were plastered with a layer of clay and painted, at least in yellow and red.

The earliest reports also mention other colors like orange and white.

Probably, as was typical in Inca fashion and evidenced at other sites, most of this painted decoration was purposely simple, consisting of long horizontal bands of solid color.

But even in higher-quality walls there is evidence of paint, especially on the upper sections.

>>18391173
Some doorways had specific architectural features for "door" mechanisms, like the main gate or the entrance to the emperor’s palace, also seen in many other Inca sites.

Colonial writings recorded these as well. Serra de Leguizamon, describing those used in residential areas in Cusco, said they were light and fragile, made of thin reeds, and that they were only barred at night, taken down in the mornings, and for that reason he didn't even consider them doors.

Meanwhile, Juan de Velasco, who visited many old Inca fortifications around Quito, described a very fine pucara where Huayna Capac had resided, noting that the doorway had brass sockets set into the structure for the door posts.

>>18391810
Btw, around Quito is where the latest defensive innovations were developed, which is probably why he noted that some of them reminded him a lot of those in Europe, especially those with moats and the like.

>>18391173
The thatch of Inca roofs in Machu Picchu and elsewhere was typically really thick.

For example, the massive thatch roofs in Chinchero burned for over a week:

>"So thick was the thatch that it took eight days or more for it to be entirely burned, or, I should say, before the wooden framework fell"

In Machu Picchu, this is inferred because, for water to run off one of the roofs into a drainage channel beside the building, the supporting thatch must have been substantially thicker than the reconstructions seen on site today.

They were also finely combed. And Garcilaso mentioned that the surviving examples he saw during his childhood in Cusco had almost inconceivable precision.

>>18391813
By the way, Inca roofs generally made up about two-thirds of a building’s total height, since they were steep and their ceilings were remarkable, at least in important structures.

The ceiling of the last Inca thatch roof that survived into the 19th century was literally compared in beauty and design to the cella of the Temple of Venus in Rome by Squier, who himself noted people would probably not believe him and think he was full of shit:

"The dome of the Sondor-huasi is perfect, and is formed of a series of bamboos of equal size and taper, their larger ends resting on the top of the walls; bent evenly to a central point, over a series of hoops of the same material and of graduated sizes. At the points where the vertical and horizontal supports cross each other, they are bound together by fine cords of delicately braided grass, which cross and recross each other with admirable skill and taste. Over this skeleton dome is a fine mat of the braided epidermis of the bamboo or rattan, which, as it exposes no seams, almost induces the belief that it was braided on the spot. However that may be, it was worked in different colors, and in panellings conforming in size with the diminishing spaces between the framework, that framework itself being also painted.

"I shall probably shock my classical readers, and be accounted presumptuous, when I venture a comparison of the Azangaro dome, in style and effect, with that of the cella of the Temple of Venus, facing the Coliseum, in the Eternal City."

>>18391816
>The ceiling of the last Inca thatch roof that survived into the 19th century

However, the exterior (the thatched roof) was severely damaged by then, but since it had not completely collapsed, the ceiling was preserved.

It is not included in this reconstruction, but I saw it in another one, though very poorly made, with incorrect proportions, but more importantly a fire inside the house, as far as is known, the Incas did not build indoor fires (they were typically made outside).

I could go on with the textiles, maybe later.

>dude roads lmao

>>18391387
They were filthy fucking casuals about it. Barely C-student tier in every regard

>>18391811
which sites are you talking about? I'll be visiting Ecuador soon

>>18391225
"Less in numbers and less brutal than the Tecs" doesn't mean they dindu nuffin. They absolutely did summin. With kids. Chosen among the elite because they looked better. And so on.

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>>18392009
Euros not only killed way more people for religious reasons than the Americans, they even killed way more AMERICANS for religious reasons than the americans did

>>18392009
They're still doing it today, see epstein
>inb4 le kikes aren't white poltranny cope
No.

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>>18391819
Thanks for the info friend, I always felt that Machu Picchu seemed oddly plain considering how sophisticated the Andeans were

>>18392207
The building in the top left doesn't look like from the time of the Inca, it looks newer.

>>18392228
Its a Spanish construction on top of old Inca walls

>>18391225
Callate perucho que sí sacrificaban a niños que apenas cumplieron los 10 años

>>18392253
>oh my kike in the sky !!! they hecking killed six gorillion babies every day !!!!!
Perunaos mog moor rapebaby jeetniards btw

>>18392253
Pero eran extremadamente raros y ni de lejos fueron tan depravados como los de tus antepasados, pocho de mierda

>>18392256
Es un mejisimio ardido

>>18391173
they all had to wear the same clothes, like a drab brown, apparently. Not sure if I believe that one. They apparently were all property of the emperor as well, and they practiced a kind of proto communism. Also they kept mummies and brought them out to join in at parties, which is kinda based

>>18391277
administered by the emperor or?

>>18392028
not really, think about what you are saying logically.
>The 12 white people who conquered Mesoamerica were MORE brutal than the Indian rulers they overthrow with the help of the people the Indian rulers were brutal too
doesn't pass the smell test.

>>18392207
how did they make those walls though?

>>18392028
this retard >>18392328 isn't >>18392009 by the way
I'm pro human sacrifice if it's the based Aztec variety

>>18391173
why would you like something you know very little about

>>18391235
literally every culture had human sacrifice at one time or another. the logic of
>bad thing happen
>give precious thing to god so bad thing doesn't happen
>human life most precious thing
is universal, I'm sure most amerindians would've grown out of it if they made it far enough. east euro pagans practiced human sacrifice into the fourteenth century, it's really not that shocking

>>18392328
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>>18392028
The idea that Cortes (who had way more then 12 troops, more like 2000-3000, since in addition to the ~500 he started with he got reinforcements) got allies against the Mexica of the Aztec capital because they were brutal rulers is mostly a misconception

Sacrifice was a pan-mesoamerican practice that everybody in the region did, and like other big Mesoamerican powers, the Aztec Empire's political system was (mostly, obviously this is generalizing some) that of a hands-off hegemony, not a oppressive imperialist power, as seen in pic related from Hassig. It was that hands-off, loose political system that enabled opportunistic side switching, since subject states retained their own sense of political identity, agency, and interests, which left them with both the ability and motive to defect.

In particular, it was common in Mesoamerica for subjects to pledge themselves to another state (since subjects mostly kept their independence anyways, they weren't losing much by doing so) to help them take out their their collective capital(s) or rivals, so that state which pledged themselves would gain or retain their political status in the new kingdom or empire they helped prop up. That's pretty much what happened with Cortes.

For more info see pastebin.com/h18M28BR and arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/640670498/#640679139 and desuarchive.org/his/thread/16781148/#16781964 and desuarchive.org/k/thread/64935126/#64961571 and desuarchive.org/k/thread/64434397/#64469714 + the other posts I link to within that /k/ post and the two posts of mine directly preceding that one

>>18392578
Pajeets practice human sacrifice *today*

>>18392788
ahem, I said *human* sacrifice

>>18392322
no, the lands were administered by all the relatives of the deceased mummy (their "paraca") EXCEPT the new emperor, he had to acquire his new lands and after dying the cycle repeated
by the time the spaniards came, the incas were in a civil war partly because one of the two emperors wanted to reform this system because he understood it wasnt sustainable

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>>18392012
Juan de Velasco, for example, mentions this about one Inca fortress or pucara in the territory of the bellicose Caranqui people, located near the Mira River in northern Ecuador, close to the border with Colombia:

"Among the many remains [of pukaras] I have seen in various places, I was particularly struck by those of a fortress in the province of Caranqui, situated along the royal road on the ascent of the Mira River. Cieza de León, who saw it in a better state, speaks of it as something very remarkable (Chron., ch. 37), and rightly so, because it appears to be a unique work of European-style art, with well-laid walls and a regular surrounding moat. Long sections remain, along with an inn for travelers that has been built upon the same ruins."

However, this wasn’t the one he said was the best-constructed in Ecuador, but rather the one mentioned earlier with the metal door sockets, located in southern Ecuador, in the territory of the likewise bellicose Cañari people, but he didn't say it looked European.

Returning to this one in northern Ecuador, it seems to have greatly suffered the passage of time, as did many other pucaras there and elsewhere, many of which are in poor condition or unrestored and not suitable for tourism.

But in that part of the country, the Incas built at least 106 pucaras that served to face the Caranqui.

Given the circumstances, it is natural that some are relatively well maintained, such as some of those in the Pambamarca complex (Pambamarca, Quitoloma, etc.). This was a chain of 14 out of those 106 built in the territory of the Caranqui-Cayambe confederation, the alliance formed to stop the Inca advance in Ecuador’s north.

>>18393369
>paraca
Panaca

>>18391173
The weirdest thing is they didn't have writing. They kept records using knotted, colored cords (Quipus).

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>>18393378
Pucaras were such a common sight in this region that the pic related was drawn to show "C: Perspective Idea of the Pucaras, which are found on the mountains of this province [of Cambaye, northern Ecuador]"

Juan de Velasco also talks about this:

"The fortresses called pucará were so numerous that it is commonly said they covered the empire... Those of the Kingdom of Quito [Ecuador] were ordinary, but so numerous that there was no province, large or small, that did not have some, as is shown by the ruins and remains still found at every turn."

>But in that part of the country, the Incas built at least 106 pucaras that served to face the Caranqui.

An additional 27 pucaras are known in southern Ecuador as well. In the past, the numbers were probably higher in both regions. For example, Ruy Díaz de Guzman recorded that Yasca, one of Huayna Capac’s generals, built and rebuilt 48 pucaras along the Guarani frontier on the southeastern border of the empire, although fewer are catalogued there today.

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>>18392259
Who cares, you pussy. Human sacrifice is based. Only a eurosissy faggot would think this isn't a cool way to die.

>>18394012
>zesty panchito glamorizes being a human sacrifice bottom

>>18392228
>The building in the top left doesn't look like from the time of the Inca
None of those are from the time of the Inca. The Inca themselves didn't know who made them.

>>18392329
>how did they make those walls though?
Whatever the exact method might have been, it certainly involved casting stones, since there is no other way to explain the interlocking features.

>>18394029
You know, considering how much these kinds of topics and threads anger you, it would seem that you would stop visiting them all the time.

>>18394127
>"I'm not mad bro, you're mad!"
>pretends being a human sacrifice victim was fun to save face for his ooga booga jungle tribe
oh come on, surely you can admit to see why it's entertaining to prod you. tbqh I'm not even sure what "panchito" means (I'm not that spanish-speaking poster from earlier) but it sounds funny and gets a rise, case in point

>>18394049
Nah, both the writings of the Spanish and Inca nobility casually talk about Inca architectural projects being ordered by Inca Emperors. Go read actual history one day instead of your retard echochambers.

>>18394049
The Inca did claim they were the ones who built all those cool Inca buildings though
You can say claim they were liars if you want, but this weird schizo myth that goes
>bro the Inca themselves say that they weren't the ones who built all that stuff bro in their own myths they say it THEMSELVES that it was all built by ancient nordic atlantean giants bro!!!!
Is just objectively not true in the slightest, as the guy said above said we have tons of records from the time and both the Spaniards and converted Inca nobility said all those buildings were state projects comissioned by Inca emperors

>>18394181
>casually talk about Inca architectural projects being ordered by Inca Emperors.
>>18394193
>The Inca did claim they were the ones who built all those cool Inca buildings though
You mean those shown in the photos?
Sources, please?

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>>18394176
Yeah, whatever makes you feel better Spaniard pal

>>18394216
Just two examples: about the Coricancha, the specific building on the top left the guy asked about, the conquistador and chronicler Pedro Cieza de Leon described it as being as old as Cuzco (i.e of Inca design as the conquistadors were well aware that Cuzco wss founded by the Inca), but only taken to the splendor witnessed by the Spaniards by Pachacuti Inca in the 1400s AD:

>It is a received fact among the Indians that this temple is as ancient as the city of Cuzco itself. But the Inca Yupanqui, son of Viracocha Inca, increased its riches to the extent in which it was found when the Christians arrived in Peru. Most of the treasure was brought to Caxamarca for the ransom of Atahualpa, as we shall relate in its place. The Orejones say that after the doubtful war between the inhabitants of Cuzco and the Chancas, who are now chiefs of the province of Andahuaylas, the Inca Yupanqui found himself very rich and powerful, and people came to serve him from all parts, bringing presents; and the provinces contributed great service in gold and silver. For in those days there were very rich mines and veins of the precious metals. Finding himself so rich and powerful, the Inca resolved to ennoble the house of the Sun, which in their language is called Inti-hitasi, and also Curi-cancha, meaning " the place of gold", and to increase its wealth.

>>18394216
>>18394337
And about the Sacsayhuaman, the fortress pseudoarchaeology enthusiasts cream themselves over, he explicitly described it as being built by the Inca and commissioned by one of the emperors, complete with the whole process behind it.
>The Inca ordered that the provinces should provide 20,000 men and that the villages should send the necessary provisions. If any fell sick, another labourer was to supply his place, and he was to return to his home. But these Indians were not kept constantly at a work in progress. They laboured for a limited time, and were then relieved by others, so that they did not feel the demand on their services. There were 4,000 labourers whose duty it was to quarry and get out the stones; 6,000 conveyed them by means of great cables of leather and of cabuya to the works. The rest opened the ground and prepared the foundations, some being told off to cut the posts and beams for the wood-work. For their greater convenience, these labourers made their dwelling-huts, each lineage apart, near the place where the works were progressing. To this day most of the walls of these lodgings may be seen. Overseers were stationed to superintend, and there were great masters of the art of building who had been well instructed. Thus on the highest part of a hill to the north of the city, and little more than an arquebus-shot from it, this fortress was built which the natives called the House of the Sun, but which we named the Fortress.

>>18394337
>>18394341
cont'd
>The living rock was excavated for the foundation, which was prepared with such solidity that it will endure as long as the world itself. The work had, according to my estimate, a length of 330 paces,[203] and a width of 200. Its walls were so strong that there is no artillery which could breach them. The principal entrance was a thing worthy of contemplation, to see how well it was built, and how the walls were arranged so that one commanded the other. And in these walls there were stones so large and mighty that it tired the judgment to conceive how they could have been conveyed and placed, and who could have had sufficient power to shape them, seeing that among these people there are so few tools. Some of these stones are of a width of twelve feet and more than twenty long, others are thicker than a bullock.[204] All the stones are laid and joined with such delicacy that a rial could not be put in between two of them.

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And this is the Casa de Las Sierpes, an earlt colonial building commissioned by Spaniards made partially with Inca techniques that clearly demonstrates none of it was some long lost ancient technique. Note the european wyverns on the big stone block.

>>18394049
>None of those are from the time of the Inca. The Inca themselves didn't know who made them.
Why lie? Genuinely, why? Whats the point of making this shit up?

>>18391225
https://youtu.be/E6yXwxRip6A?si=umpyVDV_08dNCgcU

>>18394409
This implies that there's a light truth to child sacrifice that can be found in some other civilizatoin

>>18394551
maybe it really did bring rain and prosperity sometimes

>>18391206
This is literally the gameplay of Dwarf Fortress

>>18394341
>complete with the whole process behind it.
Where? Just going "hurr they just quarried and trained it with ropes or something" is not "the whole process".

>whose duty it was to quarry and get out the stones;
How did they do that, considering they "were so strong that there is no artillery which could breach them."?

>6,000 conveyed them by means of great cables of leather and of cabuya to the works.
Do you have any idea how fucking retarded that sounds? Where would they even put so many people pulling such massive boulders across the mountains?
Why would they even remotely think about doing something so stupid instead of just using smaller rocks (like in *actual* Inca architecture)?

>And in these walls there were stones so large and mighty that it tired the judgment to conceive how they could have been conveyed and placed, and who could have had sufficient power to shape them, seeing that among these people there are so few tools.
Great, so your own sources admit the story is not credible.

>All the stones are laid and joined with such delicacy that a rial could not be put in between two of them.
Where is the "whole process" describing how they achieved this feat?

>>18396007
>Just going "hurr they just quarried and trained it with ropes or something" is not "the whole process".
It more or less was.
>How did they do that, considering they "were so strong that there is no artillery which could breach them."
By finding a suitable stone. They weren't cutting them off from the solid rock faces of mountains, if that's what you implying.
>Where would they even put so many people pulling such massive boulders across the mountains?
On the ground. Aided by the road system they inherited and developed. We know this happened because there literally are Inca building stones that never made it to their destinations strewn between the quarries (which are very easily identifiable as man-made quarries) and sites.
>Why would they even remotely think about doing something so stupid instead of just using smaller rocks
Because the building in question was the crown jewel of their capital city, and because they could, being a sophisticated empire that put a lot of effort into harnessing its available manpower and all.
>(like in *actual* Inca architecture)?
So NOW that's Inca architecture? You seemed confident earlier that Inca buildings made with perfectly reasonable-sized stones like the Coricancha must be of some alien origin. Unless you're implying that the less sophisticated construction techniques the Inca used for less important buildings is the "actual" Inca architecture like your kind often does, in which case just be aware that a civilization may know more than one building technique at a time.
>Great, so your own sources admit the story is not credible.
No, he's just pointing out that it is a feat so impressive some found it hard to believe at the time too.
>Where is the "whole process" describing how they achieved this feat?
You just read about it. You just don't want to believe it.

Here's a good video on the subject if you have the time and are actually interested in learning about it
https://youtu.be/m7BqcP15auQ?si=AX9CSjyWbgijlmQT

>>18394181
Yeah, Garcilaso even mentions the names of the architects of Sacsayhuaman:

"Four master builders were recognized in the construction of that fortress. The first and foremost, to whom they attribute the design of the work, was Huallpa Rimachi, Inca; and to indicate that he was the principal, they added the title Apu, which means captain or superior in any office; and thus he is called Apu Huallpa Rimachi. His successor was called Inca Maricanchi. The third was Acahuana Inca; to him they attribute a large part of the great buildings of Tiahuanacu, which we have mentioned earlier. The fourth and last of the masters was named Calla Cunchuy."

>>18391225
retard

>>18392808
pooman sacrifice is abominable too. especially the smell.

>>18397273
Yeah, the myth that "even the inca admitted they didn't make those structures" comes from schizo retards being racist generalists who think that just because the Aymara say they didn't build Tiwanaku it means every other andean society ever does the same

>>18393391
I did a field school with some of the archeologists who excavated these! They're super cool structures. What do you know about that cylindrical tower in the image?

Another thread ruined by mesofaggot

>>18399561
How did he ruin the thread?

>>18399561
He's not even here retard

>>18391206
Excellent summary, only thing I would add is that the State actually took care of you and provided anything you needed. Not to be misunderstood as free gibs, Andean society was built upon the Ayni concept.
Once the Inca subjugated a primitive skill-less tribe that was ordered to pay their taxes in fleas in exchange for their public works and education.

>>18395875
It is the gameplay of all human civilization until the last 500 or so years (or even shorter depending on location). Just switch out the names of the crops and livestock as appropriate.

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>>18391173
It was almost completely dependant on terrace farming since much of the geography in which it was located was too mountainous, they kept records of the produce of each terrace (among other things) using the quipu system

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>>18400256
hah, I love the llama figures in the second image

could these terraces still be used without destroying them? in fact, I'm pretty curious now why the indigenous people aren't still using the ones I've seen.

pic related is southeast asia

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>>18400278
>in fact, I'm pretty curious now why the indigenous people aren't still using the ones I've seen.
some of them are still used

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>>18400286
also pretty sure that the reason why most of them aren't used extensively today is because now these are touristic archeological sites in which no one lives anymore, back then the farmers that tended these terraces used to live in the ruins of the houses in these sites

>>18391217
Realistically speaking they were fucked, no way to get up the skill tree and get through bronze and iron to steel. They'd have had to domesticate llamas, and that shit would take millenia.

>>18400305
>They'd have had to domesticate llamas, and that shit would take millenia.
Ah yes, the Incas famously didn't have domesticated llamas, you're fucking retarded.

>>18399561
This seething paranoid schizophrenia over a guy who just posts infographics and cited sources really baffles me. Hes a pretty inoffensive guy and hes incredibly easy to spot, mistaking someone else for him is sub 90iq behavior

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Does anyone have good artistic reconstructions of Andean settlements/buildings? They're much harder to find for the Andes, especially for non Incas, and they're often missing things like paint, paving, farms, etc

>>18392328
>The 12 white people who conquered Mesoamerica
Iberians are nonwhite moor rapebabies with negroid blood, they would be considered black in the USA just a century ago

>>18392253
>spic/latinx days without seething about peru: 0

>>18394012
What are you talking about, Inquisition and witch hunts burnings WERE human sacrifices, you killed someone to please God. How is that not human sacrifice.

The incas answer the question of what would happen if you threw some people into some planet with very hard geography, the answer is, you will still get a prosperous human civilization, basically it shows no matter where you place humans, they will eventually kickstart civilization in its myriad forms.

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>>18392320
Actually, vicuña textiles were often left light brown or white (see image), their natural colors, as is still the case today due to the fine fiber’s fragility, and were very sought-after among the upper class.

At least among the (actual) Incas, wearing fully brown clothing was associated with mourning, analogous to the use of black today.

There seem to have been were both explicit and implicit restrictions on clothing in the empire. For example, certain pigments, such as vermilion red from cochineal, were highly prestigious, hard to obtain, and virtually restricted to the nobility.

People were also expected to dress according to their ethnic group. Guaman Poma complained that after Spanish rule many began mixing styles and abandoning the traditional dresses characteristic of each nation. During the Inca period, this was probably especially enforced for the mitma, so they could be better identified from the locals, since these were people moved from their ancestral homelands to other places.

There was a law that gave capital punishment to anyone who disguised themselves to pass as an Inca in Cusco.

>>18391173
Anyone have the research on the Ancient Sea-Faring Whites who travelled to South America? Maybe some good written works that cite the depictions of South Americans gods as fair feautured? Or the Maori connection found through genetic testing?

>>18401253
Though vicuña wool was sometimes dyed, it could also be mixed with alpaca and other animal fibers.

The first chroniclers often called vicuña textiles “silk” since they had a similar quality and they didn’t know what it actually was.

>>18401253
Also, many of us use terms like “noble” or “commoner” for convenience, to give some understanding to people not well versed in the Incas, but these terms aren’t exactly what many assume.

The Incas, and many of the peoples they conquered (though not all, as the empire became very large), organized their societies very communally, in close family clans or ayllus, likely due to the harsh climate they lived in. Living in isolation and more independently was often not viable, unlike in more favorable regions like the Colombian Andes.

So what did it mean to be “noble”? It could largely be reduced to being part of the core of these families, often as one of their leaders. However, even this varied: leadership wasn’t necessarily hereditary from father to son. It could pass from older brother to younger brother, and so on, depending on family traditions and circumstances, such as whether they were in times of war or peace.

In summary, being “noble” meant being an influential member of your family with many connections, "commoners” were the rest, and the “poor” were those who didn’t belong to these family clans, often orphaned individuals. As such, they lacked access to communal lands and resources produced by the ayllus for subsistence, exchange, and taxation. This can be seen in Spanish-Quechua translations, where huaccha (wakcha) meant orphan or poor, and “huaccha inca” referred to poor ethnic Incas. Though there were nuances, and some powerful individuals existed outside the ayllu system, they were rarely imposed by the Incas after local ethnic lords rebelled.

>>18401285
Colonial Spaniards often used the tactic of discrediting indigenous nobles, arguing they weren’t “true” nobles, in order to appropriate their lands, since these positions during the Inca Empire were different from those in Europe with all those nuances mentioned above.

Much of the empire’s “nobility” was relatively recent, still developing, and not a fixed class in many regions, especially in what we might consider the Inca core, the highland Andes of Peru.

Many of the peoples the Incas conquered in the region where most of the main Inca cities were located had previously not been highly urbanized. After the dramatic fall of the Wari, many inhabitants of its former empire retreated to fortified small settlements on slopes and mountaintops.

There were exceptions of course, the Incas being a major one, but many groups organized into even smaller chiefdoms with hamlets under the authority of chiefs from these family clans, who were either left in place or replaced following their conquest by the Incas.

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>>18391173
The Inca's had an interesting method of integration into the empire. Your cultural identity was enforced in a few ways - you were legally required to wear the clothing of your culture, for example, which was especially important if you served in the army. Army units were organized by cultural groups. This was all integrated into the mit'a system of corvee labor and military drafting - and of course into the mitma, which was their method of moving population around.

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>>18392028
>they even killed way more AMERICANS for religious reasons than the americans did

lol, no

>>18401562
>"In the first century after Spanish contact, the population of Mexico fell from an estimated 25 million to roughly 1-2 million."
>"The population of the former Inca Empire fell from 10-12 million to 1.3-1.5 million."

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>>18401568
Noice sources cited.
Forgot the mention the main cause thou.

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https://mikejackson1948.wordpress.com/2012/02/18/potatoes-the-real-treasure-of-the-incas/

>>18401574
>spread the disease intentionally to destabilize the Aztecs
>after gaining power disrupt the supply of food and medicine by forcing farmers to grow cash crops, micromanage their diets to save money leading to even more malnourishment and weakness, herd hundreds of thousands into slave camps and ship them around the colonies causing the diseases to spread further
You probably unironically say shit like "achtually most of the holocaust deaths were from typhus" too. Spanish mines were so brutal and lethal that natives thought they were portals to hell. Notice how I'm just saying natives, not even specific natives. Multiple native groups came to this same conclusion independently because their treatment was so universally shitty.

>>18401614
NTA, I only partially disagree. The Phrase "Going South" I believe arose in reference to how brutal southern slavery was in comparison to Northern slavery, though to be fair to the spaniards, they were fighting against some brutality in many places. However, I don't think that disease was intentionally spread in many instances, I honestly don't think people back then, the Spanish included, really had a deep understanding of how disease worked, nor just how strong the Europeans immune system was compared to other biogeographical groups.
And for every instance of poor treatment from the colonists, which were many to be sure, there was also quite a lot of brutality from the natives as well. In North America, so many of our conflicts started with the American Indians because of the larger warrior clans, who scalped, raped, took prisoners, you name it. Much of the colonists brutality was simply a response to hostile enemies, that was simply the environment back then, but people get mad and blame whites today because we Won that brutal conflict. If the roles were reversed, I doubt anyone would give a shit.

>>18401633
>and blame whites
spaniards are nonwhite moor mutts

>>18401562
Objectively, they did. Even if the false pseudohistorical narrative that's popular these days that paints the conquest of the aztecs as some sort of righteous peasant's revolt of the good indians and their Spanish allies against the evil indians (which you evidently believe in) were true, it would still stand that the Conquest of the Aztec Empire was not the same thing as the Conquest of Mexico. The Spaniards and their allies still spent the next decades militarily subjugating every other Mesoamerican state outside the Valley of Mexico and Tlaxcala, the Spanish Empire did not suddenly dominate the entire region the second Tenochtitlan fell.

>>18401645
Relatively more pure lines back then, but yes. Still people conflate the two and use it as a reason to blame Whites.

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>>18401614
>>spread the disease intentionally
lol
>to destabilize the Aztecs
yeah sure, allied native nations didn't suffer from epidemics, just find some sources to back up this bold claim or you can just made one up as usual
>You probably unironically say shit like "achtually most of the holocaust deaths were from typhus" too. Spanish mines were so brutal and lethal that natives thought they were portals to hell. Notice how I'm just saying natives, not even specific natives. Multiple native groups came to this same conclusion independently because their treatment was so universally shitty.
tldr

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>>18401771
>Even if the false pseudohistorical narrative that's popular these days that paints the conquest of the aztecs as some sort of righteous peasant's revolt of the good indians and their Spanish allies against the evil indians

Holy strawman, Batman! The Aztec will always say what Spaniards and Tlaxcalans did to him but never why.

>>18402572
>yeah sure, allied native nations didn't suffer from epidemics
When did I ever say that? Ive literally been saying the opposite, that they all got sick from one original mega epidemic that the Spanish made far worse than it should have been