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Why do you deny The Holodomor?
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>>18391359
I not only not deny it I endorse it.
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>>18391359
I don't
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>>18391359
Hohols are so insufferable and whiny that I refuse to believe or care about it out of spite.
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>>18391395
You should.
https://www.villagevoice.com/in-search-of-a-soviet-holocaust/
>The nationalists knew they’d be getting their money’s worth. At the time, faminology was virgin ground. There was little source material available, since the Soviet archives remain sealed. More to the point, most non-émigré historians viewed the 1932-33 famine as an outgrowth of collectivization, not a political phenomenon of itself, much less a stab at genocide. But Conquest was different. In his Terror book, he’d already concluded that more than three million Ukrainians were killed by the famine. Here, clearly, was the right man for the job, a man who once stated: “Truth can thus only percolate in the form of hearsay … basically the best, though not infallible, source is rumor.” And with no one on record to dispute the issue, Conquest’s rumors could rule.
>In The Harvest of Sorrow, Conquest outdoes himself. He weaves his terror-famine from unverifiable (and notoriously biased) émigré accounts. He leans on reportage from ex-Communist converts to the American Way. He cites both “Walker” and Ammende. Black Deeds of the Kremlin, a period piece published by Ukrainian émigrés in 1953, is footnoted no less than 145 times.
>Conquest can be deftly selective when it suits his purpose. He borrows heavily from Lev Kopelev’s The Education of a True Believer, but ignores Kopelev when the latter recalls Ukrainian villages that were relatively untouched by famine, or relief efforts by a Communist village council.
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>>18391359
only retarded tankies/vatniks deny it, and only because their daddy in the Kremlin tells them to
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>>18391359
any genocide or famine in the soviet union or china is justified when you see the economic growth, industrialization and massive rise in living standards, people still don't realize the massive change marxism leninism and maoism did on those countries.

what took place in the USSR and maoist china is nothing short of a miracle, the death toll is nothing compared to the live toll, all the problems that planned economy caused are just growing pains in the development of a new society and economic model (under constant attack by reactionary forces and the USA btw).

to make an omelette you gotta crack a few reactionary eggs
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>>18391502

So how do you explain all of the other countries that didn’t need famines and genocides to progress?
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>>18391359
Because Ukrainians don't control the media so I'm free to deny it.
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>>18391502
Scum bag Judeo-Bolshevik swine
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>>18391559
name one country that progressed on the speed and scale as USSR or china.
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>>18391502
>>18391570
> the Number must grow!
Enjoy your ethnic replacement in the name of elections, boomers' smugface and GDP growth

Also Time, the ultimate judge, shows that the most of ex-USSR countries and contemporary China are inhumane shitholes falling into extinction.
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>>18391570
Maoism crippled China for most of the 20th century, not even the Chinese dispute this really. The successes of the Soviets, meanwhile, were largely a continuation of policies from the tsarist regime, and it still killed way more than it needed to because collectivizing agriculture is a retarded idea.
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>>18391502
>any genocide or famine in the soviet union or china is justified when you see the economic growth, industrialization and massive rise in living standards,
In the end USSR collapsed because no food and they run out of oil money to buy grain.



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