When studying Anatolian mythology, we encounter an almost omnipresent Hurrian syncretism, but beyond the liberal simplifications of multicultural kingdoms living in peace and harmony, there is a somewhat more specific reason: foids. Yes, exactly that, foids. The Hurrianization of the Hittite cult occurred after 1300 BC, due to increasing contact with Kizzuwatna (Cilicia) and northern Syria. But here's the key detail: there was a diplomatic alliance between the Hittite royal family and Kizzuwatna, evidenced by the Hurrian names of the first queens of the New Kingdom (Nikkalmati, Ašmunikkal). And as was customary in Anatolian territory, women always held considerable power and influence. Queens like Puduḫepa (13th century BC), daughter of a priest from Kizzuwatna, and others practically reorganized the Hittite religious system.. This Hurrian influence on Hittite worship is partly due to the semi-matriarchal prestige of these queens and their political-religious role. (Pathetic.)
>>18392217But we shouldn't forget how the Hurrians were influenced in the same way. People like to argue about this as if it were something solely unidirectional, but it's not quite like that there were mutual influences, and many Hurrian gods are Indo-European.
>>18392267Yes, I am aware of that, but this Hurrianization occurred with the Hurrian female elite.
how come pre-islamic near easterners worshipped pussy while post-islamic ones put women in their place?
>>18392288The quality of dancing boys improved so near easterners started fucking them, leaving us with the age old MENA adage that women are for procreation, boys are for recreation
>>18392288>>18392300Off topic schizophrenic
>>18392217Is Tarḫunna Indo-European or Hurrian? Several characteristics seem Indo-European to me, but what about etymologically?
>>18392304In Hurria, Tesup is a god of Hurrian origin. The Greek god Zeus, as well as the Hittite god, is originally descended from this god.
>>18392311>The Greek god Zeus, as well as the Hittite god, is originally descended from this god.What makes you say that? As he rightly said>>18392267 we have to stop this habit of treating the Hurrians as the only influencers. it is plausible that the Hittite storm god and the Greek storm god, who are represented with similar symbols and were revered by geographically close Indo-European peoples, share common cultural roots. However, it is practically impossible to state with certainty that Zeus derived from Teshup/Teshub; there are no etymological parallels.
>>18392311Experts disagree. The storm god of Ḫatti (that is, the most important storm god of the Hittites) appears in Hittite religious texts long before Hurrian elements were incorporated into the Hittite state cult.It is actually possible that the OPPOSITE occurred.>>18392304The name comes from one of his titles, Thunder. It appears as *Tork'* (Armenian), *Tarrḫunda/Tarhunt* (Anatolian), *Thor* (Norse), *Thunor* (<*Thunaraz, Saxon), *Taranis* (Celtic), all from *TorH2nt-, from the PIE *(s)tenH2- (“thunder”). An alternative would be *Torxṇts. The Hittite god is Tarḫunnaš.
>>18392303oh come on, it's more tangentially related to OP than 95% of replies on this board
>>18392316The Hittite religion of the Old Kingdom is based almost exclusively on Hattic religious traditions, and the storm god was known to the Hattics as Taru and, in Hittite/Luwian, as Tarḫunt. It is not "Indo-European," at least not entirely.>>18392332>all from *TorH2ntNo. This etymology was discarded a long, long time ago it's wrong.
>>18392336My sources>Hattian tradition is apparently the most important contituent of the religion of the Old Hittite period. The Hittites, who became the major political force in the new state, took over Hattian religious beliefs, as did the Palaites and to some extent the Luwians too. Indeed, Hattian influence was so considerable that it is difficult to separate the religion of the Hittites themselves from the beliefs they took from the local tradition...>A characteristic feature of the Old Hittite documents is a lack of any traces of the influence of Mesopotamian or Syrian religious concepts.Nothing to do with Indo-Europeans
>>18392336No. Zeus did not come from Tesup. Tarrḫunda and Zeus descend from a PIE god, at least the archetype, as do most of the celestial gods who wielded clubs and hurled lightning bolts, present in various places, from Greece to the Balkans, from Scandinavia to the Germanic cultures of the Urnfield peoples. Incidentally, did their "experts" take into account that the Greeks were already established and possessed their pantheon 2,000 years before the Hittites became a formally known people? Or that Zeus was venerated since the Mycenaean period?
>>18392357Terrible arguments. The Hittite/Habitic influence was omnipresent since the Bronze Age in fact, the Anatolians shaped much of Greek religion. I could cite Apollo, and the debate would end there. There is nothing Indo-European here. The Greeks copied many of these Hurrian-Hittite myths into their own, probably sometime between the 9th and 8th centuries BC. The succession of Anu/Kumarbi/Teššub in the Kumarbi cycle has a clear parallel in the succession myth of Uranus/Cronus/Zeus in the Theogony, and the battle between the Storm God and Illuyanka is reminiscent of the battle between Zeus and Typhon. They are all Hurrian. See>>18392344
>>18392365Hittites were Indo-European
>>18392382You are biased.The name "Hittite" was given by modern historians, based on Egyptian texts, but it is a misconception, since the true "Hittites" are the Hatic peoples (speakers of Hatic, a non-Ie language). The Hittites speak an Anatolian (Ie language), like Luwian and Palaic. The name "Hittite" stuck, like the names of Egyptian dynasties of Manetho. The Hittite Empire was one of the most ethnolinguistically diverse and multiracial empires of the ancient Near East and this is good
>>18392387Stop being so critical. We call them Hattians because their land was called "land of Hatti." Literally, only for that reason. We don't know what their language or religion was like, because nothing can be Indo-European, right? And you accuse me of being biased lol
>>18392401Considering that no argument has been refuted, other than you putting words in my mouth and misinterpreting them, I will take this as a concession.Hittites referred to themselves as the "men/people of the land of Ḫatti," usually written as LÚ.MEŠ KUR URU
>>18392387>You are biased>most ethnolinguistically diverse and multiracial empires of the ancient Near East and this is good
>>18392336The Hattic equivalent of the Hittite Tarhunna is Taru. Tarhunt is the Luwian name of the same deity they shared with many Anatolian groups.Based on the etymology, it is safe to assume that Taru was a borrowing from the Hittites (verb tarh- means [to overcome, to conquer])>discarded a long, long time ago it's wrong.Explain
>>18392303There is a positive correlation between patriarchy and homosexual pederastySee: ancient greece, pre-modern china/japan, afghanistan now etc
