>>18394710
Jesus was a Jew and Iran can never win as long as it doesn't renounce it's Shia Islamic religion! Even the nation's greatest leader Nader Shah knew that obvious fact and he was killed by Mossad just like Charlie Kirk

That's why they're Judeo-Christians instead of Christians.

Christianity and Judeo-Christianity are very different religions and worldviews.

Judaism is racist death cult. Judeo-Christians aren't much better.

>>18394710
you know nothing of evangelicals. they all just believe Israel has to exist so Jesus can return to Earth after which all Jews are cast into Hell for denying him.

>>18394726
why do they think that THEY have to prop up Israel thobeit? do they think God is so asleep at the wheel that israel is gonna fall and the end times will never come unless murica waits on them hand and foot? that shit don't compute

>>18394726
>they all just believe Israel has to exist so Jesus can return to Earth
So it's a Zionist doomsday cult pretending to be Christianity, got it

>>18394726
Some believe that. Most believe in a special set of rules specifically for the Jews to circumvent Christ for salvation.

he's right but mostly because only antisemitic brown people say it, it's not actually antisemitic in its own, but its their hispanic dogwhistle

>>18394710
See? That right there. The vibe check of the current day is all about flushing out (((I only cite New Testament verses types))). Of course, Christians are gonna be skeptical if you don't listen to Moses and the Prophets.

All Christians worships jews these ones are just honest about it

>>18394845
>oy vey if you disagree that Jesus is boiling in semen then you are a mexican
nice try moshe

>>18395053
seething sanchez exposed

>>18394723
Hello Pastor Webbon

>>18394710
He graduated from Princeton and Harvard Law School and went on to various positions in politics. Why do you assume he's a retarded Evangelical?

>>18394710
They've literally changed the entire Christian faith because of a quirk of the English biblical translations. They read 'Jew' in the Bible and think it applies like-to-like to modern Jews. They claim to believe in Christ and yet place those who reject him above those who accept him

>>18394710
Jesus was a Jewish messiah for the Jews. Its you who are not a real Messianic Jew.

>>18395141
The Jews entire history in the bible is a history of them fucking up and needing god to restore things. A real Christian wouldn't blindly follow Jews just because they're Jews.

>>18394710
Evangelical Christianity achieves what Christianity is meant to achieve; to make gentiles worship the Jewish War G-d aka the demiurge, and kill every form of their original traditions and replace them with slavery to Jews. Get over it Christians, the Jews along with their demiurge G-d won. It all started when Valentinus lost the title of Pope(Bishop of Rome) to Pius I who was most likely originally Jewish. Thus, began the downward spiral of Christianity

This whole Judeo-Christian idea was created as Cold War propaganda btw. Unite against communism was the goal.

The west has a history of persecution to the max against Judaism not building the west via Christians side by side locked arms with our shared value Jewish brothers.

It also kind of implies Judaism is nothing more than the precursor to Christianity and it’s not a whole separate religion that has continued to evolve long after Christ came and started Christianity.

The religions are pretty diametrically opposed if you ask me. Both cannot be true. And it’s big time bad news bears for the other team if one of the two turns out to be true.

In modern times the evangelicals are pushing this hard for what I think are actually pretty antisemitic reasons. They basically want to use the Jewish people to bring about the second coming of the Christian (NOT Jewish) messiah. Who would then forcibly convert everyone I guess.

And the Jews are kinda using the evangelicals in the same way. They want to use them to bring about THEIR messiah who would rule over and forcibly convert (edit: just ruled over) everyone I guess.

So you got two sides trying to use each other for a grand scheme to debunk the other ones and usher in their own apocalypse/utopian end all type events. Yeah, totally aligned values and goals and worldviews.

>>18395148
The original christians were non violent vegans. The current christians are something else entirely. Jesus also didn't write the torah but objected to the animal slaughter of jews and thus whipped them. Better question is why did the Romans persecute these peaceful people so heavily, what were they scared of? Pliny the Younger talks about how christians commit crimes, but it is never said what crime they were suspected of.

>>18395418
Early-Christians were literally terrorists who had a tendency to burn down temples and shrines in the name of their religion, they even burnt down Rome (yes, Nero was indeed telling the truth that Christians burnt Rome. There is no evidence he was the one who started the fire, he was in Antium, 35 miles away, when it began). They weren’t persecuted but rather prosecuted for their terrorism.

>>18395418
>vegans
Source on this? They talk about eating fish and meat several times in the New Testament. There's even a part where Jesus himself eats fish
>And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. Yet for all their joy they were still disbelieving and wondering, and he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate in their presence.

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>>18394710
Evangelical Dispensationalists are just Christians who read Isaiah.

>antisemites use christ is king as an antisemitic dogwhistle, even though the statement itself is not antisemitic on its face
>people notice and point it out
Not that complicated.

>>18394726
>>18394830
They believe jews will finally accept Jesus at the Second Coming. Gog and Magog speaks about Israel's redemption after all

>>18394710
greatest mossad trick ever. still trying to figure out how they managed to plant the seed of this idea during the 19th century. a hundred years before being founded.
10/10 intelligence agency

>>18395518
>zionism started in the 19th-century
>it involved plenty of engagements in various countries to convince them to support the cause
Do you think 'zionist psyop' always has to be under the banner of the Mossad or something?

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>>18395518
a true mystery

>>18395145
I'vd hear this claim time and time again from anti-jewish christians but for me the parts where yahweh is angry about the jews feel more like justifications why jews lose a war agains their neighbors, why their supposed almighty god didn't let them win that war, why they fail to create an empire. The most horrendous things the jews do in the bible is ordered to them by yahweh like all the genocides they do. In the bible yahweh was angry that the jews didn't genocide an entire tribe including children and cattle. How can a christian justify that? That part makes jews look less evil and yahweh look more evil. Anothee part is yahweh being angry at moses ans trying to kill him because he didn't circumcise his son. How can christians reconcile this part with their refusal of circumcision. I consider circumcisions to be stupid and no better than other forms of tribal mutilations like female genital mutilations or tribe where womem cut off their fingers if one relative dies but for christianity and judaism (and islam in the hadiths) circumcision is a holy ritual in the old testament.

>>18395145
>The Jews entire history in the bible is a history of them fucking up and needing god to restore things
And god affirms them as the chosen people still, and most crucially gentiles are still expected to look after Israel's well-being to be considered "the good ones", even when Israel are misbehaving. Do you realize this literally validates Dispensationalism right?

>>18395535
Evangelicals expose christianity by following it thoroughly, that's why tradcaths, other traditionalist christians and christians who know the bad parts about jews are so angry about evangelicals. They took off the mask of their religion.

>>18394710
>(((Cruz)))
converso surname btw

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>>18395438
The earliest non-religious written source about christians, pliny the younger, writes that temples from which sacrificially slaughtered animals were sold, would close as christians moved somewhere. And would open up again as he begain persecuting the christians. He also describes they come together to eat "innocent food", in other words, not flesh from innocent animals/humans.

https://www.vegantheology.net/post/early-christians-persecuted-for-harmless-food-pliny-s-testimony-by-dr-chapman-chen

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>>18394710
Christians worship a Jew as God. They believe Israel is the Holy Land. They believe the Jews are God's chosen people. They allowed the Jews to live in their lands for more than two millennia without ever exterminating them. The American ones even mutilate the genitals of their own children to imitate the Jews. Christianity is Judaism for the Goyim.

>>18394710
They are basically a Zionist death cult of fucktarded goyim. I would call them Satanic, but they're just way too fucktarded for that.

Israel could rape, torture and murder 5 yo children (which btw the IDF and jew settlers have repeatedly done with impunity) and these evangelical """"Christians"""" would literally and unironically still be worshipping them and believing themselves going to Heaven with Jesus, because some lines in the Bible or something.

>>18396551
Thoughts on European settler-colonialism throughout history?

>>18395978
>implying argentina knew about milei's conversion prior to election
>implying the mexican bitch was democratically elected / not extremely unpopular
>implying catholics didn't historically believe that their church has succeeded the jews as the chosen people.

>>18395518
It wasn't the Mossad, it was Leo Pinsker

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>>18394710
>How in fuck are Evangelical Dispensationalists even considered "Christian"

dispensationalism is a rejection of the new covenant, and rebellion against God. The heresy of dispensationalism was invented in the 1820s, probably by jews, and no dispensationalist is a christian

>>18395532
You should read the Acts of the Apostles before you comment on Christianity and circumcision

>>18395546
You didn't address Jesus Himself literally eating fish.

>>18395515
11And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
12But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

>>18395528
And God was truly with them and they rejected and killed him, like they have killed the prophets which God has sent them beforehand:
9 Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time.
10 And at the season he sent a servant to the husbandmen, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard: but the husbandmen beat him, and sent him away empty.
11 And again he sent another servant: and they beat him also, and entreated him shamefully, and sent him away empty.
12 And again he sent a third: and they wounded him also, and cast him out.
13 Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him.
14 But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.
15 So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them?
16 He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid.

>>18395535
Israel does not exist without a temple. This is the reason why the exiles were so fatal to the Israelites. Let's see what the good Lord says about the temple:
13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
>the Jews have in fact destroyed the temple themselves. It became a house of merchandise
>the new temple of Israel is the body of Christ, who is rejected by the Jews
>thus the Jews are not Israelites at all

>>18394712
They are okay with being martyred

>>18394726
The evangelicals i met all told me that the jews are God's chosen people and every single one of them have a guaranteed place in heaven just for being jews since birth

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>>18395532
Yes I always saw it as cope. Strong empires around them strong gods. They had to make up some excuse for getting BTFO so they made up yhwh who is incredibly jewish. Chrtians here like to singe about the Talmud but the Old Testament is incredibly jewish if you read it without blinders.

>>18394710
Christ is king is antisemitic in certain contests. It is anti all non Christian religions when told to a person of another religion who is minding his own business as christcucks do. But it is bad only when it is done against the jews.

>>18394710
In the 1960s, the Catholic Church flipped on this issue. They went from saying the "Jew's rejected Jesus's convenant and thus they were damned," to "the Jewish people are God's chosen people."

I reckon most Protestants flipped to this notion sometime after WW2 to the 1960s.

But nowadays, EVERY Christian seems to really put Jews on a pedestal. It's why they support Israel. They somehow think if they suck enough Jew cock that it makes Jesus come (cum?) quicker.

The Jews really Jedi mindtricked the Western World into subservience by introducing Christianity. The latest forms of Christianity are **particularly** Jew-centric.

>>18395141
Jews will never accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah, even though the Hebrew Bible literally prophesizes his coming. They're just too stubborn.

I'm Jewish and I will openly admit Christcucks are faggots and slaves lol. They're the most pathetic cucks on this Earth. I don't think anyone respects them. You guys might hate us but we can all agree we can hate Christcucks even more. They are the pajeets of the spiritual world.
>>18398541
And you Christfags can seethe until you die about it.

>>18398070
Some people believe it's a mistranslation in a story about food multiplication. 5 loaves of bread and two fish cannot feed 5000 people. Some also say the greek word opsarion refers to seaweed (fishweed) instead of fish.

>>18398602
Why do you hate Christcucks?

>>18394710
>AAAAA WHy do these guys who follow a jew worshipping religion worship jews? They should be considered fake jew worshippers.

>>18399861
Because that is what is the main attribute of the Jew.

>>18395500
The right-wing is always shocked that other people use the internet and see what they do.

>>18395500
>antisemites use christ is king as an antisemitic dogwhistle, even though the statement itself is not antisemitic on its face
"Christ is King" is the Antithesis of Judaism. Judaism's core is nothing other than the rejection of this statement.

>>18395438
Like many early Christian groups, the Ebionites used a gospel of their own that was more in agreement with their views, though we don't have it now except in fragments preserved by the heresiologist Epiphanius https://www.gospelsofjesus.com/2017/01/gospel-of-ebionites.html?m=1

But, in their favor, that vegetarians existed among the early Christians is I think discernable from Paul, Romans 14:1-3
>Welcome those who are weak in faith but not for the purpose of quarreling over opinions. Some believe in eating anything, while the weak eat only vegetables. Those who eat must not despise those who abstain, and those who abstain must not pass judgment on those who eat, for God has welcomed them.

>>18400149
(cont.) IIRC the Marcionites are often cited as vegetarians or near-vegetarian pescetarians, though I'm not sure what the source is for that. But justification for it could be found from Romans 14:21,
>it is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that makes your brother or sister stumble.
And I do know they were said to only drink water for their eucharists, so if they were vegetarian this might be where they got it, from Paul saying it's good even though it isn't required, similar to how he treats celibacy, which the Marcionites are also said to have made into a requirement rather than just a favoured option.

>>18395418
Christian persecution in Rome is bullshit with zero historical reality outside of maybe a few Christians being killed alongside many more pagan Romans.

>>18400163
14:15 might even be understood as an command to be vegetarian/vegan, at least as long as you're eating with someone who is vegetarian/vegan on the basis of their own conscience.
>If your brother or sister is distressed by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love. Do not let what you eat cause the ruin of one for whom Christ died.

It would be weird for there to be firm vegetarians among the earliest Christians if Jesus were definitely not vegetarian.

>>18398602
>an honest jew
what is this, opposite day?

>>18400170
The source that describes the persecution is not religious or christian in nature. Also not in rome but in random villages and towns. The ancient world was more than Rome retard

>>18394726
>we have to kiss jewish feet so jews can be cast into hell
what sort if bizarre circular logic shit is this

>>18400365
It's called christianity.

>>18400440
>>18400365
its the retarded heresy of dispensationalism which was invented by jews in the early 1800s, it is not "Christianity"

>>18400556
>>18395479
Dilate.

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>>18400578
I would call you a liar, but I know jews only take that as a compliment

>>18400585
>To goyim are so KO'd they accuse you of being jewish if you don't affirm a jewish text about subjugating all the non jews

>>18394723
>Judaism is racist death cult.
I've been saying for years that Judaism is the /pol/ religion but they never get it and would rather LARP as Christians.

>>18400170
>Most claims of Christian “persecution” under the Romans are heavily exaggerated. With the sole exception of Diocletian’s edicts, there was never an official sustained targeted persecution of Christians by the Imperial Roman government and what little persecution of Christians that did occur during that 300-year timespan was mostly localized, sporadic, and caused by local tensions rather than official decrees. Most stories of martyrdom are also pure fiction.
>By the time Constantine died, Christians only made up less than 10% of the empire’s population and were at best a loud minority. Christianity didn’t become the majority religion until emperor Theodosius made an explicit effort to eradicate traditional pagan religions by forcibly closing down pagan temples and disbanding pagan priesthoods. Even then, pagan beliefs still heavily persisted among rural populations well into the early Middle Ages (where do you think the term “pagan” came from).
>Many claims that were made by pagan critics of Christianity like Porphyry of Tyre have been independently verified by modern Biblical scholarship, e.g. the Book of Daniel NOT being written during the Babylonian exile by “Daniel,” but rather during the 2nd century BC under the reign of Seleucid king Antiochus IV Epiphanes, long after it events it was “predicting.”
Why do these facts make Christians seethe so much? The vast majority of scholars agree on all this, it is generally accepted that the Christian narrative of "persecution" under the Romans is propaganda.

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>>18398233
>>18398236

>>18398236
>Israel does not exist without a temple
Ok then you should have no problem with Zionists building the third temple then.

>>18400585
>Christcucks didn't read Romans 11 until the 19th century
Grim

>>18400612
One you understand this you will realize there is no way God would ever build his house in Rome.

>>18400745
or... your dispensationalist interpretation of Romans 11 is heretical bullshit which contradicts nearly 2k years of Christian history.

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>>18400888
What's the correct interpretation of pic related?

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>>18400898
I explained it to you last time, the spirit is passed down through the flesh, called by the Son to form the body of Christ to have dominion over the Fathers creation and life eternal. Those who oppose the body of Christ are enemies of God, and or traitors in rebellion against the throne of heaven.

Try and remember this time.

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>>18400947
I remember, you evaded the question the same way last time. You have no problem identifying them as enemies, but what about the "beloved" part? What are those irrevocable gifts and calling? Maybe Christcucks have just been in denial for 2k years?

>>18400975
Christians have always been a bit zionist and dispensationalist. That's why they do shit like feast of the maccabees and issued bulls for the protection of jews.

>>18400975
>evaded the question
I explicitly gave you the answer to the question you just asked. Now you are pretending to be retarded again, and that will not save you, and does not convince me.

>>18401005
Tolerance of Jews =/= Zionism

>>18401020
>Conviniently leaves out that catholics worship the maccabees

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>>18401011
>evades again while pretending to have answered the question
Why do you refuse to address the part where it says they're "beloved"? And why are you so afraid to explain what those irrevocable gifts and calling are?

>>18394726
um actually only 2/3 of jews get cast into hell

>>18400705
Of course the temple exists, but it is a better temple, not made from the hands of men. It is the body of Christ and the Church is Israel.

>>18400722
The temple is already here and it has been here for two thousand years, but the Jews reject it.

>>18401193
>address the part where it says they're "beloved"
That was addressed here >>18400947 by the Son being sent, the salvation in which they are called to join the body of Christ.

So, in other-words, you are still pretending to be retarded, and it is not convincing.

>>18401373
Nope, the third temple is not “mUh BoDY oF cHrIsT,” otherwise Ezekiel wouldn’t have gone into so much detail describing its proportions. There will be an actual physical building where all of the ritualistic components that the Torah commands be implemented, will be administered by Leviim (Levites) and Kohanim (Priests).

>>18401507
So you are telling me that the second temple is not valid either?

>>18401485
>>18401373
>>18401372
>Still no answer for why catholics celebrate the feast of the maccabees

>>18401558
>why catholics
Defending what the catholic church does today is for the jews, because it now serves them. Asking me to defend it is peak irony, and also you are still retarded.

>>18401707
They celebrated the feast of the maccabees from the beginning. Why do latinx catholix not know their own religion?

>>18394710
By itself it’s not. But it’s used by Groyper/Proud Boy types as a dog whistle.

>>18394710
Surely that screencap has been subtly edited to make him look more Jew-y, hasn't it?

>>18401716
You are retarded, the maccabees jews are celebrated because they retained their devotion, knowing that God would deliver them the salvation of Christ.

You are a stupid faggot who rejects that salvation, and has made yourself a tool of a devil, and an enemy of God.

Please refrain from asking further questions, they will only give me opportunities to make you seem even dumber.

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>>18401485
>That was addressed here >>18400947 by the Son being sent, the salvation in which they are called to join the body of Christ.
None of that addresses the verses posted, much less their correct interpretation. Every time you dodge the question you're only showing you're incapable of justifying supersessionism and proving they're still the chosen ones.

>>18401985
>correct interpretation
your "interpretation" is dispensationalism, which is a bullshit heresy only invented in the early 1800s.

>>18401042
>>18401558
Why not bring up Moses and Abraham too? Everything in the Old Testament, which includes the Books of the Maccabees, is celebrated to some extent by Christians, but the New Testament always supersedes it and the New Testament is very clear that Christians are the new Israel.

>>18401988
See >>18400898

>>18398730
The referenced passage wasn't from the miracle of the multiplied fish and loaves. It's from Luke 24 where resurrected Jesus is given fish to eat by the disciples.

>>18401985
Supersessionism is easily justified by the passages OP mentioned, especially Galatians 3:28-29:
>There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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>>18401958
>Jews started not one but atleast two wars over the right to mutilate their clities
>they started mutilating more jews after the maccabean revolt
Literal tranny pedo death cult

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>>18394710
i wanna shoot every protestant in his retarded bird brain in minecraft

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>>18402068
Love your enemies; do good to those who hate you; bless those who curse you; pray for those who mistreat you. If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from anyone who takes away your coat do not withhold even your shirt.

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>>18402039
Read Romans 11.

>>18401958
>Christians in AD 100 worshipped protozionist maccabees
>Christians in AD 2000 worship zionist israel

I'm just seeing consistency even if it makes you incredibly asshurt. Must be Satan granting me supernatural abilities like pattern recognition and rationality.

>>18401988
>Christians didn't bother to read the Bible until early 1800s
I actually agree with you that Christianity as it actually is e.g. in the bible is something alien to the European soul.
>>18402015
Because the maccabees very obviously are proto-zionists and trying to justify how worshiping the maccabees is based and redpilled but worshiping Bibi is heresy makes you look really dumb.

>>18402019
again, your interpretation is the dispensationalist interpretation, which is a bullshit heresy invented in the early 1800s. in addition, you asked for that verse to be explained, and it was completely explained here >>18400947

>>18402099
Anon, who do you think Romans 11 is refering to as "branches" that have been "broken off in unbelief"? Paul is talking about Jews who reject Christ.
And even with your interpretation of Romans 11 you still have to explain Galatians 3 somehow, which you can't.

>>18402039
How does that disapprove dispensationalism? If anything that's precisely what a dispensationalist would say. And besides, this pretense is really dumb, we don't have to show that the bible encourages dispensationalism when every christian IRL believes in it no matter how much you seethe that it's a heresy in your discord.

>>18402108
>and it was completely explained here
Nope, you don't even begin to address the topic. Why does Paul say they're "beloved" enemies whose gifts and calling cannot be revoked? You sidestep because you know the answer destroys supersessionism.

>>18402112
It disproves the belief that Jews are still the chosen people.

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>>18402099
John 15 however

>>18402110
>Anon, who do you think Romans 11 is refering to as "branches" that have been "broken off in unbelief"? Paul is talking about Jews who reject Christ.
Yes. And he also talks about the "remnant of Israel" aka the beloved enemies.
>And even with your interpretation of Romans 11 you still have to explain Galatians 3 somehow, which you can't.
But I don't have to. If Paul contradicts himself in his pilpuling to convert the goyim that's your problem not mine.

>>18402107
Again you can extend this to the entire Old Testament, the coming of Christ is what makes all the difference.
The Maccabees never got a chance to reject Christ, Bibi did and does.

>>18402117
I see your tactic now is to pretend dumb. Disps. believe that there are two covenants so there existing a covenant through jesus doesn't invalidate the jewish covenant. And again, disp. is what every single IRL christian believes.

>>18402125
So... what made the maccabees particularly rightous?

>>18402121
Looks like Jesus would have a lot to debate with Paul.

>>18402131
The thing I don't get about pol-christians/latinx catholix is that why do they insist on following Pauline Christianity when they could sidestep most of these problems by picking a different denomination?

>>18402126
It literally says that Christians are heirs of THE promise, preceded by that they are of Abrahams seed.
Only way to interpret this is that they are the heirs of the promise of Abraham in Genesis which is completely incompatible with there being a still valid covenant for Jews only.
>disp. is what every single IRL christian believes.
Absurd and blatantly false.

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>>18402134
Probably because Paul is like a third of their holy book when you add his letters to Acts of the Apostles.

>>18402142
Point me a single church which isn't disp.
>>18402146
Pretty sure they print gnostic bibles.

>>18402131
Well, my angle on this is that Paul's letters and life story were edited by the proto-orthodox very early in Christian history to make him more Jew-friendly, which is why Christians will forever be trapped in debate about many topics. The proto-orthodox editors were partial to just adding their preferred doctrines on top of the original ideas even if it resulted in internal dissonances, because that way they could claim that any actual originals floating around were the same but had important """clarifying""" parts cut out (like how they accused Marcion of cutting out parts of Paul's letters), making it a little easier for their own versions to overtake the originals than if they tried to sell entirely forged letters in opposition to the originals.

>>18402113
>Nope,
you are as retarded as someone who denies that 2+2=4. Your question >>18400898 is fully answered here >>18400947 and pretending it isn't doesn't won't ever mean it isn't.

Also, in response to this >>18402105 it was fully answered here >>18401958 and your claim that my explanation was incorrect are stupid, mostly because you seem to not know the timeline: The main phase of the revolt lasted from 167 to 160 BCE and ended with the Seleucids in control of Judea, but conflict between the Maccabees, Hellenized Jews, and the Seleucids continued until 134 BCE, with the Maccabees eventually attaining independence. Which is why this >>18401958 is completely correct.

Also, you are still retarded.

>>18402151
Right. You know what would be a lot simpler explanation? Christianity is a cope religion invented to allow judaism to survive after the destruction of the temple.

>>18402150
>Point me a single church which isn't disp.
Literally any Catholic or Orthodox, none of either takes the heresy of dispensationalism (invented in the early 1800s) seriously.

>>18402159
Nope, couple of years ago the Catholic church released a catechism stating that jews don't need to convert to get to heaven. Aren't you excited to meet every jew who has ever lived!? I don't know about the orthodox since I don't speak much Russian.

>>18402153
>Completely ignores the structural similarity between the maccabees and the zionists
It's really hard to pretend that Christianity isn't zionist when one of the earliest Christian celebrations was about a jewish race nationalism.

>>18402153
>Your question >>18400898 is fully answered here >>18400947
You can repost that as much as you want, anyone can see you're sidestepping because you can't accept what Romans 11:28-29 says.
>and pretending it isn't doesn't won't ever mean it isn't.
lol

>>18402150
It is basically only Catholic and mainline churches who believe that the Jewish covenant is a valid path to salvation, which is apparently how you define dispensationalism.
Even the retards who support Israel to bring about the rapture, the topic of this thread, still tend to believe that Jews will burn in hell for rejecting Christ.

>>18402124
>Yes.
So you agree that there is no contradiction, retard.
>aka the beloved enemies.
Beloved enemies are still enemies.

>>18402169
>It's only 99.999999999999999999% of Christians!!!!!!!
Actually show me a single English speaking church which explicitly states that jews will go to hell.

>>18394726
Not sure they would admit to believing that, but yeah. I think the state of Israel was prophecized as something that would happen before the return of Jesus Christ, so it makes sense in a way.
If I remember correctly, and it's been a while, I believe the Left Behind novels also touch on Israel during the end times too.

>>18402169
>Catholic and mainline churches who believe that the Jewish covenant is a valid path to salvation

lol, no, basically only evangelical protestants believe that. Well, and the Jews who post here trying to convince everyone that dispensationalism is Christianity.

>>18402170
>So you agree that there is no contradiction, retard.
No? "There is no Chosenite nor Goy" vs "there is and there will always be a remnant of Chosenites" is contradictory.
>Beloved enemies are still enemies.
Finally got you to accept they're beloved. Now all you have to do is accept that the gifts and calling are irrevocable. That is, they're still the chosen ones.

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>>18402171
stupid lying jew

>>18402178
>chatGPT screenshot
>If you aren't a zionist you're a jew

>>18402171
Almost all evangelical churches explicitly state that Christ is the ONLY path to salvation, just choose one at random and they will probably believe it.

>>18402171
Every single member of NAPARC

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>>18402180
getting proved wrong by google search should make you feel ashamed of yourself for lying, but you are a stupid jew that thinks lying brings you closer to God and so you are correct, because your God is your father, a devil.

>>18402177
>There is no chosenite nor goy
Clearly rhetorical and meant to just apply to the covenant via jesus. That is unless you think Paul means that there literally doesn't exist heterosexual reproduction with the no male or female line.
>>18402174
Again with the truth inversion. Dispensationalism isn't christianity, christianity is dispensationalism.

>>18402168
>what Romans 11:28-29 says.
that was fully explained here >>18400947
Not liking the answer doesn't mean it is not the answer.

>>18402187
>Clearly rhetorical
So there are Jews and they're still the chosen ones.

>>18402187
>christianity is dispensationalism
lying is retarded because it makes you unrighteous and you were proven incorrect here >>18402178

>>18402189
>that was fully explained here >>18400947
That doesn't even begin to address the topic.

>>18402181
So if that's so common surely you can find one which explicitly states that jews go to hell.
>>18402184
I don't know what to say to someone so foolish they externalize their thinking to an llm and insists that everyone who isn't a zionist is jewish.

>>18402187
It's that they are all one and the same in their Christian faith, not that they do not exist as separate groups.

>>18402194
It completely answers the question, but clearly not with the resolution you desired, and so you reject the truth and live in your own delusional false reality, or push the narrative of that false reality on the fools who will believe your lies. In either case, you are a detestable specimen, completely devoid of any righteousness, worthy of only contempt.

>>18402191
If you actually read the bible then obviously. Why do you think once literacy proliferated dispensationalism started spreading immediately?

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>>18402199
>It completely answers the question
lol no

>>18402182
What publication of NAPARC states that jews go to hell?

>>18402200
That's a good point.

>>18402198
Right, so it can't be used to dismiss the jewish covenant.

>>18402196
>I don't know what to say to someone so foolish they externalize their thinking to an llm and insists that everyone who isn't a zionist is jewish.
Claiming that dispensationalist interpretations of scripture (which were conceived of in the early 1800s) represent the views of all Christians, and have always represented the view of all Christians is such a stupid and obvious lie that you need to go tell your handlers you are embarrassing your team by trying to promulgate it anywhere.

>>18402203
>pope nigger toe kisser
yeah, take your zionist puppet back and shove it up your ass

>>18402211
Lmao yeah imagine getting exegetically BTFO by pope nigger toe kisser

>>18402209
>have always represented the view of all Christians
Point exactly where I did that and quote the post or admit you're a liar.

>>18402207
If Christian faith is what makes the Jewish covenant apply then it is no longer a Jewish covenant.

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>>18402213
My personal opinion is that the official Catholic Church broke faith with God by denying the light of God in Christ represent the one true living God. That led to the protest of the protestants, denying their bread to ensoul the uncalled for a place in heaven, resulting in the continuous splintering and revivals of the truth down through the centuries since the so called enlightenment. Expecting me to take the current pope seriously is a hilarious mistake.

>>18402217
>the current pope
Anon...

>>18402204
Publication?

>>18402214
>>18402187
>christianity is dispensationalism.

>>18402218
yes, the current pope is just as bad, and the last one is rotting in the earth, food for the worms.

>>18402221
But Francis was at least able to address Romans 11:28-29. I don't think you can even copy paste those verses here.

>>18402225
Your request to have those verses explained was fulfilled here >>18400947
but your disingenuous character prevents you from accepting a non dispensationalist interpretation, even though dispensationalism was invented in the early 1800s, and are as you say, complete gibberish.

pretending to be retarded, will not save you and will not convince me.

>>18402196
Why they do they have to? Explicitly stating that faith in Christ leads you to salvation and rejection of Christ leads you to damnation is all that you need.
Some have actually called out the Jews directly though, like the infamous Pastor Steven Anderson, leader of the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement, but generally Christians focus on spreading their own message rather than on shitting on other religions.

>>18402230
>can't post the verses
Called it.

>>18402235
You are a dumbass, and I will continue to do as I please.

>>18402220
Ah, the mistake you make is assume that every person who is described as Christian follows Christianity to its logical conclusion.
>>18402232
Because if they don't explicitly state it they might A) be inconsistent, or B) just do a bunch of mental gymnastics. But yes, Steven Anderson counts. I yield that one, you found the one church. Although, I'm not sure it still exists.
>>18402216
Reading comprehension.
>>18402219
Website, newsletter, magazine, some platform on which they would have explicitly stated that jews go to hell.

>>18402243
>Website, newsletter, magazine, some platform on which they would have explicitly stated that jews go to hell.
Sure, the Belgic Confession (1561), Heidelberg Catechism (1563), Canons of Dort (1618), Westminster Confession of Faith (1646), Larger Catechism (1646) and Shorter Catechism (1646).

>>18402243
AND IF YE BE CHRIST'S, THEN ARE YE ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.
You're the one who lacks reading comprehension.

>>18402242
Lol just post the verses, anon. Aren't you a Christian? Why is it so hard for you to post a couple of bible verses?

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>>18402252
>posts a different verse
Lmao I accept you concession

>>18402246
>Can't find anything after 1646
Well that's a way to concede in style.
>>18402252
Why are you so assblasted about us goyim not wanting to participate in a jewish race religion?

fuck Zionist Christians fuck Zionist Jews
fuck Israel fuck Iran fuck Germany fuck the CIA fuck ISIS fuck evangelicals fuck Ted Cruz fuck the government
die

>>18402099
100% heresy. Christ is not created, thus his body is not a creature.

Why are they gay?