So if they're all half or more "Celtic" ancestrally, what is Celtic about their cultures?
>>18398471Absolutely nothing outside of Breizh and the British Isles
>celticEthnoLARP
>>18398471>druidic autism>(some) old rocks>cute redheads>also very unattractive redheads >flannel>words like bard, wizard, etc
>>18398677Wizard is a Germanic word for goþi or siðr
>>18398471>So if they're all half or more "Celtic" ancestrallyThere is no such thing as Celtic ancestry, genetically speaking.
>>18398612What's this chart about?
>>18398471The bagpipe was an instrument in Germany for many centuries before it died during Middle Ages. It was used in parts of the original carmina buranahttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VXXLgleWB80
>>18398711Which means what?>>18398798Interesting.
There's no Celtic ethnicity, there's only a (proposed) Celtic culture group derived from the existence of a (largely extant) Celtic language family. Trying to map culture and language onto race is the most retarded of all follies.
>>18399114Priest or shaman respectively>>18399119Celtic ethnicity is real. Racially all Northwest Europeans are the same. Except for red hair gene which seems to be a Welsh and Gaelic thing
>>18398677>stone circlesnothing celtic about them>red hairNot cecltic>flannelnot celtic>bard, wizardWizard is an anglo saxon word>>18398798There's nothing celtic about bagpipes>>18399129>Celtic ethnicity is realNo it isn't lmaoNorthwestern Europeans are not celtic, they are Germanics in every single way. They descend from proto-germanic bell beakers
>>18399141Checks out.
>>18398612>>celtic>EthnoLARPThis is what I've been thinking more and more lately. Any good sources that are skeptical about "Celtic" as an ethnicity or genetic grouping? What about "Germanic" and "Romance" -- is trying to distinguish people genetically based on those language groups LESS arbitrary than doing so via "Celtic"?
>>18399129>Celtic ethnicity is real.Except for the fact that it has never been isolated. All supposed Celtic countries show the same genetic similarity to ancient samples as the Germanic countries. The Celtic ethnicity is a meme.Look how far from each other are England, Wales and Scotland.
>>18399129These maps are neat, but they seem quite unreliable. What sources are they based on? >>18399141This map looks more reliable at a glance. How closely related were ancient/Iron Age celtic speakers to Iron Age Scandis? I assume not very distant genetically in the first place, so the subsequent mixing of Scandis in places like Britain, Germany, Holland, etc., wasn't a huge change. Or is that way off? It was a huge change?
>>18399170Damn, Wurttemburgers are swarthed up. That's actually shocking to me.
>>18398711>>18399141I won't argue against my own premise that only some of the rocks are of Celtic craftsmanship. But note how neither of these faggoted "rebuttals" attempted to resolve our autism or give it an alternative origin. They accept it as fact accordingly. We wuz druids whether you like it or not NIGGERS.
>>18399180>>18399141Then why not just say NW Europeans? Why say Germanic? I don’t think it makes sense to call Medieval Gaels Germanic.
>>18399251>Then why not just say NW Europeans? Why say Germanic?Because NW implies north of France, and they have a lot of Germanic admiture as well.
>>18399283>NW implies north of Francenta, but not to me. I'd definitely think of Northern France in "NW European." The low countries too. People do actually use "NW Euro" enough to make it a real term. Anyway, how distinct were the Brit Isles, Low countries, Germany, North France, before Scandinavians migrated there? Probably not much?"Germanic" still might be fine to use synonymously though.
>>18399283I don’t think so. I think people consider Northern France and the low countries part of Northern Europe, and they fall in the same genetic cluster.
>>18399395>NorthernMeant to say northwestern europe*
>>18399251Because they are delusional nazi incels
>>18399184Those maps are idiotic, the Irish only cluster close to Germanics beause they have high steppe, not because they are the ''same people'', the guy peddling this bs is a retarded nazicel
>>18399300>>18399395If people want to include France, they'll just say Western Europe, plain and simple. And if NW were to include them, it loses its meaning. >before Scandinavians migrated thereHow do you know they came from Scandinavia? What if the same people who spread the Germanic admixture in Western Europe (including the Scandis) came from somewhere else?
>>18399184>How closely related were ancient/Iron Age celtic speakers to Iron Age ScandisIron age Celtic Speakers in France, Italy, Spain weren't at all genetically SimilarIron age Celtic Speakers in the British Isles were genetically almost indistiguishable from ScandisDistance to: England_Saxon0.02887849 Bell_Beaker_England0.03267707 Bell_Beaker_Scotland0.04011080 Bell_Beaker_England_EBA>>18399251They clustered with and descended from Proto-Germanics. Now they all speak germanic languages anway. Ergo they are Germanic>>18399209There's nothing celtic about rocks erected by EEF peoples, spastic>>18399426>>18399440CopeThe people who the Irish descend from were a Bell Beaker offshoot of the Corded ware and were incredibly genetically close to GermanicsYou are Germanic. Enough with the coping.If i were a "nazi" i wouldn''t be stating the obvious fact that the Germans are some of the least Germanic people out there.
>>18398735is Celtic just a word for non-Germanic-western-European?
>>18399170very questionable
>>18400028Northwestern Germany is the most Germanic region on earth. Scandis are a bit mongolized and slavicized.
>>18399984It would lose its meaning if you include all of France. It doesn’t when you only include northern France, those parts that genetically cluster with England, the Netherlands, etc.
>>18400028But what would you call a person on the British Isles that spoke Gaelic? What would they be 200 years ago?
>>18399141>They descend from proto-germanic bell beakersNo, proto Germanics are descended from the bell beakers and the "Celts" of Britain and Ireland too but they're not Germanic just descended from the bell beakers like the Germanics but two separate things.
>>18399440>the guy peddling this bs is a retarded nazicelHe's Tom Roswell the unlikeable faggot.
>>18400143Isn’t Gaelic and Welsh closer to Italic languages? How did their branch of the Bell Beakers pick up a different language? Or would it have been the Germanics that did it somehow?
>>18400028>Now they all speak germanic languages anway. Ergo they are GermanicSo do niggers in England like your beloved football wog Ian Wright and he even has an Anglo-Saxon surname. Is he Germanic too?
>>18400148No idea but I seen on YouTube before of a guy speaking proto-Gaelic or something and it did sound kinda like Latin and Greek from around that time.
>>18400137>It would lose its meaning if you include all of France. It doesn’t when you only include northern France, those parts that genetically cluster with England, the Netherlands, etc.We're splitting hairs at this point. It also adds confusion, since not many people split countries in parts, when they aggregate them into those western/NW regions.
>>18400148>Isn’t Gaelic and Welsh closer to Italic languages?Not really.
>>18400147Tom Roswell?Never heard of him.Must be some Alien buff.Tom Rowsell on the other hand, knows more about history, anthropology, and material and cultural archaeology, than you or the people vandalizing the history of Europeans ever will.You worthless communist freak.
>>18400241France is as commonly split between north and south as Italy is. I can only imagine an American never hearing of the north/south split in France. This is in no way some esoteric knowledge or splitting hairs over nothing. This has been a common division in that country for over a thousand years.
>>18399184>How closely related were ancient/Iron Age celtic speakers to Iron Age Scandis?Very different. Proto-Germanics were Scandi-like, Proto-Celts were basically Southern/Central French-like. The similarity between modern Insular Celts and modern Scandis on a very basic PCA is mostly just due to high steppe ancestry.
>>18400028>They clustered with and descended from Proto-GermanicsNo, you cuck. Irish people don't descend from Proto-Germanics. Neither did the Insular Celts. They were Bell Beaker people who got conquered over and over again and switched languages. First by Hallstatt Celts, then by Romans (both Urnfield descendants), then by Anglo-Saxon (Nordic Bronze Age descendants), then by Vikings (Nordic Bronze Age descendants), and finally by Normans. And then again by Pakistanis.
>>18400302Are those conquests why insular celts and Gaels have higher prevalence of swarthiness? Genuine question.
>>18400304That's probably from the original Bell Beakers of the Isles or just lack of selection for lighter traits.
>>18400140A Germanic person who speaks a non Germanic LanguageJust like how a peruvian who speaks spanish does not become genetically an iberian spaniard.>>18400143>>18400302The Bell Beakers were proto Germanics and clustered with Germanic peoplesErgo they were Germanic.If Bell Beakers become "celtic" because they adopted celtic languages then why don't you consider those same "celts" as Germanic because they all speak english nowadays?Because you're a hypocritical ethnoLARPing taig spastic.>>18400150They don't cluster with Germanic peoples ergo they are not Germanic.
>>18398471The French haven't been Celtic since before the Revolution, now they're all brown Spaniards.
>>18400292Believe me, I know more about European ethno-genetic regions than most people on /his. And no, the French genetic divide is not so well known as you might think.
>>18400708>The Bell Beakers were proto GermanicsNo, they weren't. Proto-Germanic was spoken in the Iron Age, and Paleo-Germanic (the ancestral language of Proto-Germanic) was spoken in the Nordic Bronze Age.
That Irish cuck who desperately wants to be Germanic is one of the funniest and most pathetic posters here.
>>18400785>>18400787Taig Cope
>>18400794These are just shitty G25 distances. With outdated references too.I don't know what a taig is, I'm an actual Germanic person living in the Proto-Germanic homeland. You are some kind of conquered mystery meat bong who's larping as my ancestors. The Irish have an artificial affinity towards Scandinavians due to high shared steppe ancestry. That's where the resemblance ends. You are a delusional slave.
>>18400803COPE TAIG"""celts""" from glasgow cluster with Scandinavians more than they do with muh """celts""" of europe >>18400028Irish people are genetically closer to Swedes than North Germans are to South Germans
>>18400818You keep posting shitty PCAs. It doesn't matter. The ancestry trajectory of the Irish and the Scottish is VASTLY different than that of Scandinavians. There's the old shared layer of steppe ancestry, and then there is shared ancestry from the Viking Age, when we took your people as slaves. As cattle. This does not make you Germanic by blood. You can model the Irish with 5-10% Germanic ancestry, mainly from late Anglo-Saxon contacts and Vikings. Tell me your ethnicity. I want to keep you in a lab.
>>18400825The Bell Beakers who settled the British Isles were genetically almost identitical to Scandinavians.Stop coping>David Reich's laboratory found that 90% of Britain's Neolithic gene pool was overturned by a population from North Continental Europe characterised by the Bell Beaker culture around 2450 BC who carried a large amount of Corded Ware steppe ancestry, including the R1b Haplogroup. This population lacked genetic affinity to other Bell Beaker populations, such as the Iberian Bell Beakers, but appeared to be an offshoot of the Corded Ware single grave people. It is currently unknown whether these Beaker peoples went on to develop Celtic languages in the British Isles, or whether later Celtic migrations introduced Celtic languages to Britain>The close genetic affinity of these Beaker people to Continental North Europeans due Corded Ware means that British and Irish populations cluster genetically very closely with other Northwest European populations, regardless of how much Anglo-Saxon and Viking ancestry was introduced during the 1st century
>>18400843They were similar due to shared high steppe ancestry, as I've already said. Your reading comprehension is incredibly poor. You have almost no blood from Proto-Germanics, so stop larping. You're a conquered slave, 4 or 5 times conquered, that's you. You have 5-10% Germanic ancestry at most. Don't talk about population genetics when you don't understand them beyond the most surface level. And keep dodging the question of your ethnicity, coward slave.
>>18400290>Tom Rowsell on the other hand, knows more about history, anthropology, and material and cultural archaeology, than you or the people vandalizing the history of Europeans ever will.>You worthless communist freak.Shut the fuck up Tom. You're nothing but a faggy insufferable wanker. You have a very punchable face and just are a really obnoxious unlikeable prick.
>>18400845Stop CopingJust accept that it's over for you, Taig
>>18401453That anon is from Germany and a Germanic. You're just just some non Germanic mutt from Lancashire. You ever even done a dna test yourself or do you just keep lying to yourself every day that you're an "Anglo-Saxon" and Germanic?
>>18401610>>18398471>England and Scotland are the most similar to the same historical sample (in Wales it's 3rd, and 6th in Ireland)>the distance to Middle Iron Age England is almost the exact same in Scotland and EnglandCan the Celto-LARP finally die?
>>18401642Stop larping as Anglo Saxon Germanic. You're just a Brythonic Britain and none of the Celt shit matters a fuck because at the end of the day your neither a Saxon or a Germanic you're just some bell beaker descended Briton.
>>18401453Does this map and some of the other maps suggest Brits are closer to Scandis than Germs, and thus more "germanic" than germs?>>18401610That anon happens to be right about Bell Beakers, who replaced 90% of the Bronze Age British population -- they were already very close genetically to contemporary Scandinavians, and brought high rates of light hair/eyes to Britain millennia before Anglo Saxons showed up, which were just more Scandi admixture added to the Bell Beakers. Why are you so mad about this? They weren't "Celtic" genetically -- they happened to speak Celtic languages (maybe brought over by migrating Belgae et al.?)Also it's doubtful the normans made that much genetic impact as shown in your pic, but I haven't read about that, so I could be wrong, but the left "Celtic" graphic is definitely wrong, as I explained. It's Bell Beakers *speaking Celtic* languages. And the "French" pic raises another question: How "Germanic" were the Normans who invaded/settled in Britain. Obviously they were part Gaulic/Celtic speaking, but were Gauls in Northern France 1000 years ago particularly distinct from Germanic speakers 1000 years ago? Or were the Normans basically indistinguishable from their contemporaries in Holland, Northern Germany, Denmark, etc., merely speaking a different language than their contemporaries a little ways east?With all this in mind, it seems like natives of Britain, Northern France, Low Countries, and Northern Germany are just a robust mixture of Scandinavians (germanics) and closely related Bell Beakers from NW Europe and Britain, who happened to speak languages that were not Germanic. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>>18401610Yep, the pic on the right is ridiculous. There were around 10K Normans who settled in England post Hastings. They largely replaced the ruling class, but did not, in any way, significantly intermarry with the 1.5ish million "native" Britons. Not only are the areas marked """French""" completely, 100% Bell Beaker/Anglo Saxon, NOT FRENCH, if the Norman conquerors HAD interfucked significantly or replaced many of the commoners, they'd be adding broadly Northwestern European genes to England, consisting of Bell Beaker/Franks/a few other Germanic speaking peoples, WHICH IS THE SAME FUCKING ADMIXTURE THAT ALREADY EXISTED THERE.So if your right-hand pic is 99.999999999999999% wrong, why would we care about any of your assmad posts or pics?It might be time for you to admit and accept the big L and stop posting and log off.
>>18401925the pic says "french" means gauls
>>18401610>>18401797Taig CopeYou're a non celtic mutt from Ireland who clusters with Germanics and speaks a Germanic languageActual celts from France and Germany consider you beneath them
>>18401925The study that’s based on stated that this “French” dna came at some point after the Anglo-Saxon migration. That contribution didn’t come only from the Norman Conquest. A major contributor was probably the Huguenots.
>>18401902dude, northern germans are the definition of Germanic. angloids are mixed as hell
daily reminder that English inherited not a single thing from Celtic languages
>>18398471Celtic is a word retarded people use for Aryans
>>18401902>Does this map and some of the other maps suggest Brits are closer to Scandis than Germs, and thus more "germanic" than germs?NTA, but that's correct. While the Scandis and Anglos stayed relatively unmixed, Germany has a lot of Slavic and Italic admixture, depending on he region. Look here:>>18399170
good thread lads
>>18400290Is that really you STJ? I don't agree with your premise here but I always enjoyed your particular brand of autism. Cheers.
>>18402330>northern germans are the definition of GermanicLOL
>>18402336If you're British you're DNA is most "Celtic" Brythonic. If you're gloating about Anglo Saxons conquering your own ancestors then you're a massive cuck because there's not a chance you have high Anglo Saxon dna or could be considered one and the same as them or Germanic.
>If you're British you're DNA is most "Celtic" Brythonic. If you're gloating about Anglo Saxons conquering your own ancestors then you're a massive cuck because there's not a chance you have high Anglo Saxon dna or could be considered one and the same as them or Germanic.
>>18398601>the British Isles
>>18400028>the British Isles
>>18400140>the British Isles
>>18402909lightbulb
>>18400307>the Isles
>>18400843>the British Isles
>>18402904>>18402909>>18402911>>18402914>>18402918I don’t understand
>>18402592They are. Who else would be? england has mr bean and norway has haaland, which should tell you everything
>>18402556That map is false and still it proves that Northwestern Germany is peak Germanic, more than all other nations. Swedes are more Slavic than the average German btw
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>>18398471French count in a funny way, and that's pretty much it
>>18401238>>18402583As if Tom Rowsell would spell "vandalising" like an American
>>18403673>That map is falseHow? It's not overfited in any way.
>>18402777When will the Anglo Saxon larping end.
>>18404787When the Turkish larping stops.
>>18404787This nigga really used AI
>>18404787So the point anons are making is that there's not much difference between Bronze/Iron Age Brittonic (Bell Beaker) and Scandinavian from that same period, and the later A-Saxon migration, which was essentially ancient-early medieval Scandinavian. Thus the distinction between "Celtic" and "Germanic" is mostly meaningless in the case of ancient Britain. These terms may refer to distinct peoples in other places and times, but not to people living in Britain around 4000BC - 500AD, that is.
>>18404689I might have referred to the wrong map. The Germanic ancestry % map of Germany is false, not the cluster
>>18399170So Sachsens are essentially slavs? I've seen them in person, makes sense. Dresden is still quite nice though, despite the war destruction.
>>18404787Missed the part where its like 10% Celtic in the part of England where most people live. Why would you exclude that?
>>18405061the map is exaggerated. there is no way the east/west border is such a big divide. If Niedersachsen is at 95% (the most Germanic place on earth), Thuringia has to be at least 60% o algo. But yeah they're definitely the most Slavic Germanic people (don't forget Sweden also)
>>18405246>the most Germanic place on earthWouldn't that be Denmark or Norway?
>>18399170>southern Deutschland>"Germanic"So are Württembergers and the like noticeably darker haired/eyed than Schleswig-Holsteiners and Lower Saxons? Are OstDeusctchers more slavic looking? Surprised there's that much Ital admixture up there.
>>18405518Would you believe it - in the Bronze and Iron Age, people didn't recognize modern country borders.
>>1840478740% ancestry represents one of the largest population turnovers since the Bronze Age, so I appreciate your change of heart
<<18405733wow what a smart comment. I'm impressed loool.
>>18405518Yes. Luxemburgers and some Saarlanders have French facial features, but that part of western Germany is rather pale/blonde. The black forest has some dark brown phenotypes, but even there and in Switzerland you can find your typical Swede-looking Nord
>>18405313Denmark is basically the same, Norway is slightly mongolized except maybe the most southern part.
>>18405751If you take a crowd of 50 Germans and a crowd of 50 Brits you will easily tell them apart, facial features are different, hair color is also different, Brits tend to have dark hair at a way higher rate, Germans are mostly just blonde
>>18406197Fair enough.
>>18406260???
>>18406782and this crowd of english white trash is blonder
>>18406260Who said that Germans and Englishmen were the same? lol
>>18406892The delusional schizo in this thread
>>18400107More like bell beaker cultural range, many if not most germanics were massively celtic influenced.
>>18406260>If you take a crowd of 50 Germans and a crowd of 50 Brits you will easily tell them apart, facial features are different, hair color is also different, Brits tend to have dark hair at a way higher rate, Germans are mostly just blondeTotal bullshit. I've seen large crowds of Germ and Brit soccer fans -- noticed the vast majority of both groups have "medium brown" hair, with lower numbers of dark and blonde hair. Germs are not particularly blonde, most of the women in that pic probably bleached their hair, and you won't fin any other pics or evidence of germs being particularly blonde. Nice head canon though. Apologies if pic is low quality.
>>18407342Also, you DO realize that girl in the center of your pic (>>18406260) on the guy's shoulder has bleached hair, right? I know tons of 4chaners are not very bright, and women love to bleach their hair, and sometimes, people don't notice when it's bleached, so I have to ask -- do you think that's natural hair color? ... LOL
>>18407342>>18407346Another incorrect statment, besides rates of blond/dark hair, is facial features. They'd mostly be the same too. If we're talking and Irish, it's possible they'd have rounder faces, slightly, than Brits and Germs, or that Slavs would have different face structure, but Germs and Brits wouldn't.
>>18400787He's a sc*t not a mick. Posts a new thread everyday here.
So Hitler was a Celto*d and larp'd as a germanic, and wanted to wipe out his slavic brethren? Is that about right?
