Nimrod should be remembered as humanity's ultimate hero, not an arrogant villain
My understanding of the narrative is that he is simply a hubristic figure.He cannot be a "Villain" because the story has no hero to be his counterpoint, and he cannot be a hero, because he achieves nothing, and saves no-one.He is simply a flawed protagonist in a morality play.Your projects fall apart and your people scatter, when you fail to observe the laws that govern the universe.It is a warning against leaders who promise you impossible things for another.
>>18399503Story like his really make me sympathize with the "evil OT God" theory, because it posits that God only divided and antagonized the humans against each other out of spite for human ambition.
>>18400377*Stories
>>18399503His name is "Nimrod". He sounds pretty stupid Anon. Im not going to argue with what the living spirit is telling me about him.
>>18400422"Nimrod" is only an insult because people inherited the biased moral lesson from the biblical story as it's taught. You're not so retarded that you think Nimrod was named that because Nimrod means stupid, are you?
>>18400377Remove your straw man argument about God being a magic sky daddy, and you will see that it is a story about hubris.Hubris itself is what scatters people. Hubris leads to nemesis. Making a name for yourself is the concept of postmodernism, where you think you can just create your own reality, rather then discovering it with others. We need to name/define reality properly, based on fundamental realities that we are discovering, rather than making up names/definitions/logic for an individual ego. You will also notice that we are instructed to not make graven images (idols) for ourself. Its about selfishness, not the making of the graven image. You can make names and idols and graven images to record reality, but you just can't do it for yourself alone.Love your neighbor. That is what all these laws hang on.
>>18400441>Hubris itself is what scatters people.Yes. God's hubris to be more specific.
>>18400441>Love your neighbor. That is what all these laws hang on.I'm afraid not. "Your neighbor" in the Bible explicitly means other Israelites and no one else. You are free to make slaves of the goyim around you. YHWH is a real entity and not a metaphor or whatever gay shit you are positing.
>>18400446this
>>18400432No. He tried to make himself strong. He thought that he was so powerful that he could just create and invent reality, and define himself as the hreo. He tried to make a meta narrative for himself. However, over time, the meta narrative evolved to describe his actions as rebellious and stupid, because the meta narratives are discovered, and note created by strong people. Hubris leads to nemesis. That is the lesson here. Love your neighbor, or be scattered.
>>18400432>Nimrod" is only an insult because people inherited the biased moral lesson from the biblical story as it's taught.A majority of boomers learned it through Bugs Bunny who sarcastically called Elmer Fud "nimrod" as a joke because Nimrod was described as a mighty hunter in the Bible. The joke flew over people's head and they just associated Nimrod with a dunce because of the nature of Elmer Fudds character.
>>18400451>No. He tried to make himself strong. He thought that he was so powerful that he could just create and invent reality, and define himself as the hreoAnd he was on track to do exactly that before YHWH and the elohim had to stop him to protect themselves. YHWH stopped him because in his hubris and narcissism only he can be powerful and everyone else must be inferior.
>>18400451>Love your neighbor, or be scattered.>>18400447Gentiles really need to realize that the Bible was not written for them.
>>18400446Obliterated.
>>18400377I don't think of God as being a character, as such as the sum total of the forces of nature.You cannot bargain with God, and you cannot bargain with the forces of nature; they arbitrate what is good, because God is the condition of the universe itself; we are suspension within God, in that sense.Are you not also, a locus of universal awareness?
>>18400474>I don't think of God as being a character, as such as the sum total of the forces of nature.That's correct, that's also how I see God. The issue is YHWH is not actually God. He just tells people he is and you rubes believe him.
>>18400446Hubris is putting the idol of the 'self' before God. It is impossible for God to be hubristic because 'hubris' is just a value statement about the relationship of the individual in relation to God.
>>18400377That would be Enlil.
>>18400496>EnlilCrosstrannies don't know who that is.
>>18400487I'm not even conventionally religious.I worship my ancestors, and venerate forces of nature and cultural forces, and mighty ancestors, because they are the approachable avenues to particular elements of the universal, which is made particular."God" is in everything.It is ineluctable.The universe itself is sacred, and everything a person does is meaningful.We are eyes and hands and ears and minds manifest of the universal stuff, to observe and to enact.The idea of God is insufficient to encapture the nature of the thing it is attempting to point to.I am just a mortal man.I might even be a hylic; I would not know, being unlearned.But I think mankind has a plant-like tendency to grow towards the light of a secret sun.
>>18400491>It's different when the magic Jew does it because... IT JUST IS OKAY!!!
>>18400506>But I think mankind has a plant-like tendency to grow towards the light of a secret sun.Lucifer.
>>18400474This. The straw man argument that makes people talk about God as a "sky daddy", is the same false narrative that makes people think they can even build a tower to heaven in the first place. They have created a narrative for themselves about a sky daddy and a physical garden floating in the clouds. Nimrod believed this false narrative.They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. The meanings of the words were misunderstood, and they were building with sub par materials.This is why they think thst God can even exhibit Hubris. They are operating under a meta narrative that he is a sky daddy, rather than the very essence of the correct narative that need to be discovered.You can't just reabel against reality. It doesnt matter how strong or heroic you think you are. If you literally believe that heaven is just some place in the clouds, and you keep defining the argument this way, you are not going to be building the proper framework. You're just building something that is going to fall over.>>18400467>GentilesThey had one language/interpretation, and did not keep their ears open for homophones, homonyms, figurative language, idioms, etc,. Rambam would be frustrated in this city. He would probably leave before its collapse.
>>18400509Nah.What is that but the spirit of unbound ego?It is a byname for the universal solvent.A tool for men who wish to wipe a slate clean and enact their own will.Men call this force "Satan", because it is ultimately the enemy of all complex systems.
>>18400512The Torah (Hebrew Bible/OT) and the New Testament are YHWH and Jesus speaking to Jews primarily. Not you.
>>18400513YHWH has the most unchecked, disgustingly large ego in existence. As usual you attribute his many atrocities and moral failings to Lucifer.
>>18400523You are personifying the impersonal.The names that we call these things, and the terms in which we speak of them, bely their nature.God is the field, and we are the grass, and the devil is a man with a mower.
>>18399503>>18400377>NOOOOOOO THE HECKIN' WHITE CHRISTIAN GOD DESTROYED OUR HECKIN' DIVERSE MELTING POT AND SCATTERED THE RACESseethe
>>18400491This. They won't addres your argument. They are holding on to their one interpretation/language of this word "God" just being a word that describes some "magical sky daddy". Thats why they post the weird image with green text. They are appealing to a strawman with emotion, rather than engaging with what you actually said.
>>18400530"the races" didn't exist before God scattered them. Read your Bible christnigger
>>18400441>>18400451The last time humanity was in its natural state was ancient Rome. The good was that which was strong (nobles), the bad was that which was weak (plebs). Slaves were a natural class of society because they were incapable of governing themselves and too weak to do anything about it. Power was simply assumed.>the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they mustMen who were proud puffed their chest out and got pussy, lots of it. They were leaders, orators, artists, poets. Men who were meek got no pussy, and rightfully so. They were farmers, construction workers, slaves, followers, the uneducated. They knew their place.Then the Abrahamic religions were introduced to the world. They were attractive to plebs because it gave them power over their masters. Suddenly what had been deemed as bad was now good, and what had been deemed as good was now evil. It created the concept of equality which, to Romans and all societies before them, was unnatural to the cosmic order. The power between classes flipped. The introduction of these slave religions slowly destroyed the natural state of man. Now man is told pride is a sin. He is shamed for fucking multiple women. He is evil for engaging in revenge. He is evil if he does not turn the other cheek or have mercy on those beneath him. This new "truth" is a haze that rules the masses, and now the priest class are leaders when in Rome they would've been low.This world today is unnatural. You're not going to allow the system today to control your instincts...are you?
>>18400509Lucifer/Jesus is the morning star. They are not the villian.Satan, who is the privation, or opposite of lucifer, is the villain. Satanbis the fallen state. Satan is the inverse of the sons of God. He tags along as a privation, not as the actual thing being selected/praised/annointed.
>>18400542>Jesus, who commands submission to YHWH and the law, is Lucifer, who famously does the opposite
>>18400520I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also.Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?
>>18400565Why do Christians love to refer to themselves as farm animals? they also like to call themselves fish and crops to be harvested (wheat). Creepy.
>>18400523>LuciferNot lucifer, but Satan.Satan is the fallen state, or privation, of the light.I love the morning star, and I despise its privation as fantasy.
>>18400574>Satan is the fallen state, or privation, of the light.In your head canon.
>>18400536You just described hubris leading to nemesis. All those powerful people focused on puffing their chests and getting their dicks wet, and this created a nemesis for them in the form of a world wide egregore. This sounds pretty stupid Elmer. If they are so strong, and world famous, why did the plebs turn on them?Some advice. If you are ever in a position of power, stop casually telling all the plebs around you to eat cake, while you prance around indulging in foppish delights.
>>18400589Pride didn't kill Alexander but nice try. He literally died of disease, possibly poisoned.
>>18399503Jews seethed at Mesopotamian civilization so fucking much they made up the Arch-babylonian and then had their god smite him into ashes. Nebuchadnezzar being amde into an animal and the slaughter wasn't enough. Next level haters.
>>18400600Really the Jews harbor a lot of deep hatred towards the old established cultures of the middle east. Which then trickled down to Christians and finally muslims.Giving us that attempt by some vizzier to destroy the pyramids because Pagan demons.
>>18400602Honestly the jews poisoned mesopotamia history for like 1800 years, thanks to the aryan archeologists we rediscovered the real history or else all we would have is biblical propaganda.
>>18400546The word lucifer only occurs in one place, in the KJV of the bible. Isaiah 14:12 Im not going to let tjis obscure apocrapha define the morning star as something evil. There is nothing in this verse that says the angel lucifer is evil. Its the fallen state of this messanger, Satan, which is the privation of the Son's of God.Lucifer is not evil before the fall. It is the fallen (privation) of its meaning that pulls it down into darkness.neither the Catholic nor the Orthodox Church has any apocrypha (Deuterocanonical books or broader pseudepigrapha/apocryphal writings) or official Church narrative that specifically uses the name “Lucifer” to define an angel as evil in and of itself.“Lucifer” is not the proper name of the devil. It is simply a Latin word (meaning “light-bearer” or “morning star”)Its tied to so many other good names that it would be a mistake to create a mental framwork around denouncing or hating it.love, beauty, and fertility = aphrodite = Venus = phosphorus = light bringer = lucifer =morning star =Jesus.Lucifer is an amazing angel. I'm not going to define him, nor his female counterparts, based on their privation, which is Satan.
>>18400377The OT God only administered his wrath unto humans when they deserved it. He only punished those deserving of punishment.
>>18400546If you're defining lucifer as the creation of a meta narrative, and Jesus as the discovery of the meta narrative, in that lucifer is a false light bringer, then I would be one board with that kind of understanding. Again though. The name "light bringer" should not be demonized unless it is prefaced with "false". So this would be a "false lucifer", not "lucifer", which still maintains lucifer as a good messanger/word/angel.
>>18400625>catholic tranime slopSorry, I only discuss religion with serious people.
>>18400628I just posted it to show that its called "LUCE".This character (animation slop) is related to lucifer. Like the gospel of luke.
>>18399503>t. nimrod
>>18400377there is no "evil" without God, you self refuting moron
