Japan and Korea would still be mudhut-dwellers without the Chinese bringing civilization to them, similar to how Northern Europe was civilized by Greco-Romans and Christianity.Yet nowadays China, Greece, and Italy are treated like joke countries. What happened?
>>18400259It's called "cultural exchange".
even the mangas
>>18400259Most influenced by the Tang, yeah.But the Tang were a long time ago.There is not one "China" extending throughout all of history.That is part of the Wumao narrative.There have been many Chinas.Sometimes multiple at the same time.They have split, and reformed, and split and reformed, under different dynasties and dominant ethnic groups.Manchu =/= Han for instance
>>18400259>Yet nowadays China, Greece, and Italy are treated like joke countries. What happened?China abolished their 4000-year old imperial monarchy in favor of a republic (aka a western style of governance). Italy and Greece and embraced Christianity instead of continuing to follow Hellenism (Greco-Roman paganism).
>>18400259>abandon your culture and destroy as much of it as you possibly can because muh gomminism>still claim ownership of it
>>18400281(1) majority of population has always been yellow river neolithic farmers (han), unlike other populations in the world that are a mutt mix of steppe and neolithic populations(2) same writing script and language, such that average chinese high school graduates can easily read the works of confucius and mencius in their original(3) continuous single dominant culture that is considered so superior even invaders willingly sinicize themselves(4) exact same percentage breakdown of y-haplogroups as neolithic yellow river populations(5) same continuous institutional memory wrt political theory (mandate of heaven) and its practical implementation (e.g. the bureaucracy, taxation, irrigation, census-taking, and justice), state sponsored record keeping (china has some of the most superior historical record keeping, writing everything down, such that even origins of peoples like turks are only known via ancient chinese sources)now back to the projection of whatever muttified shithole you crawled out of
>>18400298>Chinese talking about muttification Lol
>>18400298>average chinese high school graduates can easily read the works of confucius and mencius in their originalNot exactly. Languages evolve over time and older forms of most languages tend to not be mutually intelligible with modern speakers. The difference between Classical Chinese and modern Chinese is as big as the difference between Classical Latin and modern Italian.
>>18400298Your historical narratives are not coherent enough to believe, which means they are impossible to take pride in without decreasing your honour and reputability.You are your own worst enemy, Wumao.You must apply more stringent thought, and rigorous self-analysis, in order to construct a national legend that is both truthful, and a source of strength.The best way to do that, is to ground yourself as honest in the here and now.Not to retreat into these idiotic tautologies, and insincere definitional games.Your people wounded themselves greatly, when the reds burnt the glory of your ancestors.Making stuff up to fill the void will not heal that wound.
>>18400314lol you don't know what you're talking about, classical chinese idioms are frequently used in everyday speech, even more so for more formal writing and speaking, chinese students read and learn foundational chinese texts in school in their originalthe fact that they can do so is my whole point, how many people in the west can still read ancient greek and latin, can read socrates and plato in their original words?>>18400309which mutt shithole are you crawling out of?>Unlike either modern Europeans, the scions of wave after wave of Middle Eastern and steppe migrants, or contemporary Indian peasants, who embody the fusion of invading Indo-Aryan pastoralists from Central Asia plus indigenous farmers, the modern Chinese are mostly the direct genetic descendants of people who already inhabited the very lands of their nation tens of millennia prior, from the Yellow River in the north to the Pearl River in the south. The oldest modern human bones found in China, secreted away in isolated caves, are those of their ancestors. We now know that the Han, 95% of the citizens of today’s People’s Republic of China, are scions of hunters and foragers who roamed the Yellow and Yangzi river valleys at the end of the last Ice Age, 12,000 years ago. Today’s Chinese carry DNA startlingly similar to an individual buried in Tianyun Cave, near modern Beijing, 40,000 years ago. China might not have the oldest continuous recorded history (Mesopotamia owns this distinction). But it comes close, and on the far more astonishing scale of tens of thousands of years, the Chinese people’s biological continuity knows no parallel.https://www.razibkhan.com/p/genetic-history-with-chinese-characteristics
>>18400322wordcels really think a few years of chimpout is enough to erase all of chinese historyany healthy operating system uses reboots to clear system debris, same with a civilization, discard the old, what doesn't work, and in with what doesthe fact that it's self reflective, self critical, and ultimately, self strengthening is the whole pointwhile china can fall and rise again, others like rome go into the dustbin of history never to rise again, or the software (culture) and hardware (genetics) are overturned so thoroughly (mesopotamia) that you can scarcely call it the same civilizationthat is the difference between the west and the east, the latter thinks in terms of civilizational terms, the former for short term benefitsyou'll do well to learn from the latter
>>18400259China and Korea would still be rice-paddy peasants without the Japanese bringing modern civilization to them.It's funny how people always talk about how traditional Japanese culture is borrowed from China (and it was) but not about how modern Japan was essentially the France/Britain of East Asia and directly influenced everything from military organization to theological jargon in the past 2 centuries.
>>18400259Italy is the 2nd largest industry in Europe, and has some of wealthiest most developed regions on Earth. It's a joke country only insofar as other European countries are also joke countries.China is the future global hegemon. Neither are jokes.Greece is a country of 10,000,000.
>>18400298>continuous institutional memory wrt political theory (mandate of heaven) Really? The CCP claims the mandate of heaven?
>>18400341A system that plays fast and loose with the truth, is built on sand.Truth is ineluctable.But the knowledge of the truth can be burnt and buried, and until it's remains are excavated, then the ashes will blacken your face.Know Thyself; that is the first maxim.>wordcelI'd fight you if you were in arms reach; but as you are not, discourse must be honoured.
>>18400362japan would not be the modern civilization had it not been for the portuguese jesuits and the americans forcing the japanese to open borders
>>18400378implicitly yes, that's why they are so concerned with living raising standardschina is more democratic than the goycattle west
>>18400391more wordcelismI'll beat your ass irl we have a long history of genociding wordcels> and until it's remains are excavatedit's "its" not "it's" which is a contraction you dumbass
>>18400477"The wild God of the world is sometimes merciful to thoseThat ask mercy, not often to the arrogant.You do not know him, you communal people, or you have forgotten him;Intemperate and savage, the hawk remembers him;Beautiful and wild, the hawks, and men that are dying, remember him."You call me a wordcel, then pick at punctuation.Silly prideful man.
>>18400259I would be living in a mud hut in the wilderness today in the USA if I could get away with it, no plumbing no electric other than a solarpanels, why would I want to pay a 20/30/40 years mortgage on a wood frame house plus insurance, that place would own me I wouldn't own it don't want to be a wageslaves to that
op is a chinese leaf
>>18400298kek zhang
>>18400269it's called the people of Japan migrating from the Korean peninsula long after Chinese culture was fully established
>>18400259But japanese argument is that they are the purest and real descendants of the han chinese while modern ""chinese"" are just mongol and manchurian rape babies
>>18401649lol retard they call themselves the yamato people, not han chinese> mongol and manchurian rape babiesprojection from the mutt shithole you came out of, yamnaya rapebabysee >>18400323
>>18401665Yamatos are descendants of han settlers
>>18400298>china has some of the most superior historical record keeping, writing everything downand the either destroying it cause the emperor didn't like it or storing it at the palace library where it burned to ashes when the next dynasty toppled the former one. It's sad to see the amount of work Chinese scholars have put into compiling gigantic history encyclopedias (and i give you that, those were impressive collections of knowledge) over time only to have them going up in flames during the next civil war.>>18400323>China might not have the oldest continuous recorded history (Mesopotamia owns this distinction)It probably did help that they used clay and stone, while the ancient Chinese favoured bamboo, wood or even silk.
>>18400462Primarily it was the Meii Tenno realizing that he needed to seriously industrialize and modernize the country.
>>18400259>Yet nowadays China, Greece, and Italy are treated like joke countries. What happened?Greece was never very wealthy or powerful. It had some centuries of brilliant cultural production. Italy fell off due to centuries of war and disunion and ultimately the center of the Mediterranean being less strategic a location than the northwest of the continent.And China is not a joke. After a century of humiliation and fucking up super hard under Mao, it's ascendant in power. However, China seals itself off from the rest of the world with the Great Firewall and its cultural products are less adapted to appealing to non-Chinese audiences. Even with that, it's catching up to Japan and South Korea.
>>18400281>There have been many Chinas.That's like saying there have been many Germanies.
>>18401773>Primarily it was the Meii Tenno realizing that he needed to seriously industrialize and modernize the country.The last Tokugawa Shogun was headed towards that anyway. Japan's modernization was inevitable.
>>18400298>(1) majority of population has always been yellow river neolithic farmers (han),Any Han outside Northern China is mutted with rice farmers. >>18401649>But japanese argument is that they are the purest and real descendants of the han chineseJapanese never claimed they are the biological descendants of ancient Chinese only that they are the true inheritors of classical Chinese cilivization. Same thing with Koreans and Vietnamese during the Qing. >while modern ""chinese"" are just mongol and manchurian rape babiesDoesn't make any sense from a genetic standpoint.
If that's the case why was China so poor and underdeveloped?
>>18400259>China>Treated as a jokeBy whom? They're the number 2 superpower
>>18402756Confucianism promoted keeping the status quo except when you fucked up so royally majority of the peasants started to starve. They never had the mindset to develop new things and build anything other than the usual things beneficial to the state. Any Chinese inventions are simply due to the huge bulk of population, same as with India.
Ramen is considered Chinese food in Japan
>>18400259>OP picThe nips quit larping as chinks a thousand years ago.
>>18402787>Ramen is considered Chinese food in Japanit's literally Lo Mein with Japanese pronunciation.
>>18400259let me blow your mind:human beings live in japanhuman beings live in chinait can take some time to absorb this deep hidden truth. give yourself a break. but think about it
