How do the dynamics of overlap between marxist and nationalist movements function? For example early zionism was a socialist movement, and so was irish nationalism. Black nationalism is still highly intertwined with marxism. The main thing they will agree on is the need to overthrow the ruling imperial class, but everything else will lead to a series of contradictions
>>18400664I think in post-colonial countries you could see a fusion of Marxism with nationalism because the traditional (conservative) elites had alliances with foreign overlords. So kicking out the foreign imperialists and also waging class struggle against your own native elites (or "compradors" to use a Spanish term) while affecting economic transformation and modernization were bound up together.Think about how Canadian conservatives historically sought closer ties with U.K., while Canadian nationalism became the wheelhouse of the Liberal Party, which translated later into the Liberals being able to make a more robust challenge to the U.S. in Canadian politics:https://youtu.be/eBcRYmk88jwThere are a lot of contradictions though, like you said. Malema adopted a left-wing, Marxist-inspired, Pan-Africanist politics but mixed it with opportunistic populism (imo) and grifting. The EFF has been declining there and many of his top cadres later bolted for the MK party, which is a new personalistic vehicle for Jacob Zuma. Zuma was a senior leader in the ANC during the anti-Apartheid struggle and became president later, but he's corrupt and relies on even more demagoguery than Malema does.So what I think happens is you have a new (native) bourgeoisie emerge from within the revolution. They go into business and politics, and also set their supporters up with no-show union contracts for projects that never get built. In South Africa they call them tenderpreneurs (because they reward their friends "tenders," government contracts for economic projects). They also resort to populsim and nostalgia from the revolutionary period, and blaming the West or the French or the white people (or whatever) for why the country is dysfunctional. They mix in social conservatism as well. Think about Robert Mugabe. It's kind of like Animal Farm:https://youtu.be/2QrhhaWp-0o
>>18400721How is not the same as national socialism? Socialism with a heavy emphasis on racial liberation. Malema: The white man controls all the wealth and has spend centuries subverting the Black nation in their homeland. Hitler: The jew controls all the wealth and has spend centuries subverting the German nation in their homeland.
>>18400882Jewish business success in white countries doesn't come via mountains of foreign capital and a legally enforced caste system that privileges them above everyone else, while white success in colonized countries does
>>18400664>For example early zionism was a socialist movement, and so was irish nationalismIrish Nationalism wasn't socialist but if you're a right wing retard you'll view an attempts by Irish Nationalist to help their own as "Socialism" even though none of them followed that ideology and the actual socialists who were small in number were extremely Nationalistic too.
>>18400664Podcasts arent radio.
>>18400970https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_sovietsNobody lies harder or with more brazenness than the irish.
>>18400664Brown good, white bad
>>18400664Marxism in Asia and Africa was just an ideological tool to get funding from Russia to repel the European powers from their nations, ie PLO rebranding as Islamic not socialist after Soviets fell. Thailand is also a good example to look at. It was already an independent state without any Euro presence so it never developed any socialist parties and is still a monarchy
>>18401810You're the biggest liar on His and you act and argue like a kike. This is another defeat for you.>The Civil War that erupted between those for and against the Anglo-Irish Treaty had seen Munster become a hotbed and base for the Anti-Treaty IRA forces, and thus a battleground to be fought over. The soviets came into conflict with both Anti-Treaty and the Free State National Army. The Tipperary Soviet was involved in a shoot out with the anti-treaty side. The gasworks in Tipperary was destroyed by the retreating anti-treaty forces.[3] Similarly the newly formed National Army also took to dismantling the soviets. Extreme pressure was being placed on the fledgeling Irish Free State by both the British Government and the wider world to maintain a conservative order in Ireland. The soviets were deemed agents of anarchy by both the conservative press and conservative politicians, and thus another element the National Army had to remove. Without a wider political structure or organisation to unify them, nor a fighting force to defend themselves, the soviets were forced to fold and bow out. When Free State forces entered any town that had a soviet, they would arrest the leaders and take down any symbols signalling defiance such as Red Flags.None of that Soviet shit had anything to do with Nationalists, Republican or the IRA. It was them who ended that Soviet nothing burger.
>>18401970Stupid paddy. All those factions mentioned were fighting for irish independence, so all of them were different nationalist factions. The Free state were the only non-nationalist group, because they compromised and allowed Ireland to remain part of the commonwealth with the monarch as head of state until 1949 Irishman trying not to conveniently reframe the definition of words to suit his retarded worldview, challenge impossible.
>>18402049>Without a wider political structure or organisation to unify them, nor a fighting force to defend themselvesThe Soviets weren't fighting anyone and weren't an armed faction but some sort of labour movement. The Free State forces were all Nationalists too even if they did settle for the Anglo-Irish treaty. They knew it was the best they could do at the time and most the country backed them. I don't even know much about it until I read the wiki you posted. The Limerick Soviets etc isn't even that well known. I'm impressed by the amount of digging you do for all that shit. You must spend a lot of time reading stuff about Irish history just so you can twist stuff and try and turn people against us. The obsession is real.
