There are some things more important than individual freedom.
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>>18401119Liberals place individual freedom above everything else.
>>18401122That's ancaps
>>18401126And liberals.
>>18401122No they don’t. They don’t let people freely associate by discriminating against others based on things like race and gender.
>>18401153Yeah the woke mind virus infected them, but that's not what liberalism has been historically.
>>18401157Even classical liberals don’t think that either. The tension between personal liberty and order is a longstanding area of contention, but the line is still drawn where personal liberty ends and other concerns take over. The American founding fathers didn’t just let anything happen.
>>18401116What a fucking pussy "opinion". If you truly value yourself, you should value yourself above all else.
>>18401174Ok Satan.
>>18401174You don’t have kids. There are things that matter more than unlimited hedonism
>>18401153Discrimination is greater-good coded though.
>>184011532026 liberals have shifted hard towards all-for-one and abandoned one-for-all.
Libs no longer think an individual has an obligation for decent orderly conduct in public. They see no problem with erratic mentally-unstable schizos roaming the streets and the subways.
>>18401116Possibly the most milquetoast political opinion ever.>>18401417Only when enforced top-down. Free association would ideally just allow people to choose. Of course in practice this theory was only formulated because U.S segregationists lost and were forced to seek ways of justifying themselves/preserving segregation.
>>18401116a world without freedom of speech and expression is just not worth living in.you might bring up starting a family and what not but at the end of the day you'd just be creating more goy slaves to serve the system.
>>18401435>allow people to chooseAt what scale is it "top-down" and when does it turn into your cute "free association"? Men forming coalition and deciding who's welcome and or not is just called a local community. That's bog-standard segregation, and the CRA abolished it. There is no freedom of association.
>>18401153Liberals place "empathy" above the greater good 10 times out of 10.
>>18401116Yeah like open access pussy
>>18401425>Republican gut psych wards of their funding and empty out the nuthouse in the 80s-90s>"Wtf why would libtards do this"
>>18402550>muh republicans and democratsReagan gave out mass amnesty too. If Trump tried to bring back the asylums and clear the streets of violent schizos he would be called a fascist and you know it.
>>18401425anon you threw a tantrum over having to wear a mask in public , this obligation to the public scthick loses believability when you discarded it the very instant it even mildly inconvenienced you
>>1840111648 hours in prison would probably give your sheltered faggot ass a reality check.
>>18402561NTA but that's a complete strawman. It wasn't just the masks, it was the government forcefully shutting down people's livelihoods and actively discouraging people from interacting with eachother and going outside. Blame was then put on individuals who failed to follow these protocols even though the real reason they were put in place to begin with was less to protect individuals and more to reduce strain on the healthcare system, a need which was also poorly communicated to the public. You can argue it was for good reasons, but you are being very disingenuous if you don't understand why there was a huge backlash to these mandates. The sheer fact that you're still making this shit all about masks even 6 years later is exactly why orange man won whether you like him or not
>>18402561No one would have "thrown a tantrum" if it really all began and ended with wearing masks. Then again that's how your revisionism works, first it's>lockdowns were a nothingburger, you just didn't have a haircut for a whileto>there were no lockdownsto>it was just about wearing masks
>>18401122This is why I love /his/, people here are so retarded they actually come up with novel (if wrong) takes
>>18402561Even if Covid really was only about masks (it wasn't) only a tiny proportion of the population was actually at a serious risk from infection, and the measures were to protect them. So once again even in your example you think about the many making sacrifices for the few. It's never the other way around for you.
>>18401116We know. Philosophers having been calling it the Social Contract for a while now.
>>18402561Masks were retarded and didn’t help anything though. At best it made some people feel better, like they had agency, but no one knew what they were doing. Governments couldn’t even keep their story straight on prevention.
>>18402561yeah It feels like it's something sociopaths say to manipulate others into serving their own purposes. They pretend there's some kind of social contract, but they'll do a complete 180 on it the moment that same social contract asks anything of them. They never have any real intention of doing anything for another person unless it directly benefits themselves. The concept of sacrifice is just for other people as far as they are concerned.
>>18402641I just want laws to be enforced and for schizos not to roam the streets and the subways.
>>18402641>the moment that same social contract asks anything of themLooks like you take the white social contract for granted. Don't worry, we already get a glimpse in various urban public spaces of what happens when it breaks down.
>>18402641>They never have any real intention of doing anything for another person unless it directly benefits themselvesThe entire concept of the social contract is that you are giving something to receive a benefit. It’s not altruism that causes people to do things under the social contract. It’s about sacrificing some things and taking on some obligations to receive the benefits of order and society.You stupid drooling retard.
>>18401116Equality > Freedom
>>18402686neither of those things can be synthetic, if you have to synthetically create equality or freedom through civic or political institutions then youre already a slave to the totalitarian state.not the based totalitarian state like Sparta but like an AI run security state that is your fate.
>>18402670>The entire concept of the social contract is that you are giving something to receive a benefit.yes and you sociopaths give absolutist nothing and convince the pions this is reciprocal
>>18402689>uhh you can't put that child rapist in prison libtard that's hecking totalitarism
>>18402695Again, you take white people acting orderly in public for granted.
>>18401116Individual liberty is dangerous now that AGI exists. Without more surveillance and restrictions on human activity, we will go extinct from mirror life or optimized prions within five years.
