First of all, I don't follow the atheist religion, I don't worship the deity "science," so militant atheists are not taken into consideration here.I am Muslim, but I have always been receptive to Christianity and at a certain point in my life, I considered a conversion. But then things like this come up. The bitch killed her son and somehow she'll still meet her son in the Christian "paradise" and not be thrown into what you call hell, and things get worse when you are extremely permissive when it comes to women. They can never blame you for anything, except for the line you use that "no one can judge their neighbor."
>>18401281Good Christian
>>18401281Abortion is permissible in Islam up to 40 days. Most Muslim scholars wouldn't consider her to have done anything wrong
>>18401281Christianity is objectively the most pro-life religion. Islam and Judaism are more permissive with abortion.The average Redditor "Christian" is a progressive first, Christian second.
>>18401287>>18401288Pretend I said>I'm an atheist Is that better? So how about focusing on the main issue? So she has a significant chance of still being saved, am I correct? And as this post says>>18401282women shouldn't be blamed.
>>18401289Its men fault women are exploited in weak moments. I personally know some who were pressured into abortion. All but one regretted it forever. Heartbreaking.
>>18401289You cannot be forgiven for sins that you feel no remorse for and actively justify.
>>18401289She says she is" not religious", so no she will not be saved. She lacks faith in Christ.
Also, OP again. The story is probably false, but I used it for illustration purpose>>18401291Yes, why not extend this to all sins committed by women? Having multiple sexual partners is probably the fault of their environment, not their own, am I right?
>>18401295I'll rephrase that. So, if a person has faith in Jesus, could they be saved regardless of sin? Or am I misunderstanding?
>>18401294In this case, the person supposedly feels remorse.
>>18401297Matthew 7:21-27
>>18401299Then they will be forgiven
>>18401300I read those verses, and my interpretation is that they are talking about people who claim to be followers of Jesus but who don't really follow the principles he set forth. Perhaps hypocrisy is the best word, but I don't think that answers it. From what I understand, even a person who has abortions, is homosexual, or commits any other sin could be saved if they repented.
>>18401301Thank you for being direct and concise.
>>18401297We have all sinned. We can be forgiven for our sin by accepting Christ. The only sin that God cannot forgive is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:31)
OP hereHello moderators, I would like to ask if it would be possible to delete my post. On second thought, I don't think it was very useful and there's not much more to discuss. I'm having trouble deleting it. Thank you.
>>18401303Yes, if they repent. That's the central teaching of Christianity, that all can be forgiven and saved through Christ. But they have to be earnest and strive to sin no more. If you just say "well I'm a Christian now so I'm saved no matter what I do. I'm just gonna go on sinning without remorse!", then your chances of salvation are slim. Calling on the name of Christ is not enough, you must follow his teachings.
>>18401308Ah so you believe in salvation through works and not faith
>>18401310This applies to believers of faith alone too. It was never meant to be a pass to do whatever you want, as true faith is meant to transform a person to follow the teachings of Christ and avoid sin. Those who sin freely without care do not have true faith. Luther and Calvin were both very clear on this matter.
>>18401312Faith ALONEread some TULIP theology, you don't have to do nothing! Nothing about you is why you are chosen to have faith and salvation, the Judeo-Christian God just chooses who he wants.
>>18401314Don't take my word for it, read what Calvin himself wrote on the matter. You only need section 1:https://ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes/institutes.v.xvii.html
>>18401281>I don't worship the deity "science,"Right, you are just too retarded to understand that science isn't a person and not a single atheist treats the scientific method like a magical ghost.
>first of all, I believe the first retarded thing I'm fed. Oh, its gnomes talking on abortion clinics to women
>>18401287Not really true, it depends on what you believe about the period of ensoulment. The Maliki madhab does not permit it at all for example. While Hanafis generally use 120 days based on the hadith with 40 being a minority opinion. The only thing that's universal is if the mother's life is threatened.
>>18401377In any case muslim cultures do not tolerate arbitrary abortions compared to christian ones
>>18401281>I don't worship the deity "science"Imagine not following one of the coolest Goddesses ever. Shame on you, anon.
>>18401379The difference is that Christian cultures are now atheistic cultures while Muslim cultures are still very much Islamic. Abortion used be completely illegal across all stages of development in the West, back when the West still took Christianity seriously. Things changed greatly post-sexual revolution.
>>18401469>Abortion used be completely illegal across all stages of development in the WestNo it didn't, they couldn't even tell abortion from miscarriage for the majority of history, so that would have been near impossible to enforce.
>>18401281The opening words are “I’m not religious” and you think she’s a Christian? And you think she reflects Christian laxity, somehow, when this godless woman would in reality be excommunicated from my church?
>>18401494If you're catholic, it's not necessarily automatic excommunication. 15 year olds getting abortions and even 30yo women that are afraid or are inconvenienced by having their baby get to stay in the church
>>18401514Catholics aren’t Christian
>>18401518Evangelical non-denominational megachurch attendees aren't Christian
>>18401377>>18401287>Abortion is permissible in Islam up to 40 days. Most Muslim scholars wouldn't consider her to have done anything wrongFuck off, Salafischizo. Abortion isn't "permitted" in Islam. Even the claim that rape permits abortion is a lie. Abortions are generally sinful.However, a soul comes into the body at circa 120 days. So if one were to get an abortion, it should be done within the first trimester. An abortion in the second or third trimester is murder of a child, which is a far worse sin.A hundred abortions in the first trimester is less bad than a single abortion in the third trimester. States should allow first trimester abortions but that's to prevent second and third trimester abortions.
>>18401306>The only sin that God cannot forgive is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:31)Good thing there isn't a worldwide religion dedicated to blaspheming the Holy Spirit by equating it to God
>>18401720Really? Does a djinn zutt the soul into the foetus at the 119.9th day?
>>18401720>Abortion isn't "permitted" in Islam.>States should allow first trimester abortionsRetard
>>18402339I literally said circa 120 days for this reason. All your gotchas have failed, kike.>>18402342You're so fucking retarded.Islam forbids abortion, period. They're sins, but all sins are not equal.Mainstream Islamic theology allows one to be a sinner. Believers that are sinners go to temporary hell (purgatory) and then to permanent heaven. Disbelievers go to permanent hell.With that framework in mind, society must make differentiations between lesser and worse sins. If the former prevents the latter, then the former is preferable.First trimester abortions are sins, but they're not murder.Third trimester abortions are sins, and they're murder which is a different sin in itself. How fucking dumb are you to not get it?If I stab your mother in the throat I'm a sinner. If I stab your mother in the throat while hailing Satan, it's two different sins I've committed. I'd prefer to just stab your mother in the throat.
When exactly does a foetus get a soul?
>>18402339>>18402342>>18402357On abortion within an Islamic framework:First-trimester abortion: Eliminating a pregnancy is a sin in itself but it isn't murder of a living child.Third-trimester pregnancy: Eliminating a pregnancy is a sin in itself and it's also the murder of a living child.Second-trimester pregnancy: A person could lie or make a mistake about whether someone is truly 110 days or 130 days pregnant. There may be biological differences between people which affects maturity of the fetus. So the abortion should be as soon as possible so that the fetus is as least developed as possible. Hence, why any abortion should be within 3 months and not as late as 4 months (120 days) or later to avoid risking murder of a living child and soul.It's that damn simple that you literally have to be a retard to not get it. There are observable biological differences within a fetus' development over the course of time.
>>18402373You can observe a soul enter a foetus?
>>18402375No, you can observe 2D/3D scans of how a fetus develops over time. You can also observe the differences in a physical fetus compared between different ages.A fetus that's 2 months and that's 8 months is clearly not the same. One is literally moving. A fetus in the second trimester is more mature than one in the first trimester.When a soul enters a fetus is a matter of theological / philosophical belief.
>>18401281It's the liberal West that is permissive, not Christianity. Historically, your vile Moslem kin complained that Christianity was far too strict. You have to recall, we actually fast, while you people have only ever faked it. Also we're going to kill all you btw, Persia is just the start.
>>18402387The only ones willing to kill Muslims are high T level Israeli Jews. The West, Europe specifically, are low T level pussies crying about how they need to leave the Muslims alone, as Muslims actively groom and rape their daughters in their own countries. Low T levels and its consequences.
>>18401518>Catholics aren’t ChristianProve it. As it stands Christianity does not excommunicate you for abortions if you're under 16, are ignorant of the consequences without being negligent, are fearful of something, are going to have a grave inconvenience by keeping the baby. Really the only people who get excommunicated are those that have abortions for fun. Anyway abortion is commanded in the bible for those that disobey the chosen
>>18402357>Islam forbids abortion, period>proceeds to explain how abortion can be permittedRetard
>>18401282Destroying your child goes against every normal, healthy instinct in everyone and probably even doubly so in women who are bonded to their children through heavy hormonal signaling for like 2+ years during and after birth. Any woman who has an abortion outside of edge cases for rape or whatever has something deeply fucked in the head wrong with them. It is monster tier antics. Ask any woman who is pro-abortion who she loves most in this world. After she answers, ask if she wishes that person was impaled in the womb; vacuumed out, and harvested for stem cells for Epstein or whatever jewish billionaire psychopath. Watch the gears in their tiny whore brains grind to a halt and have a meltdown.
>>18401281Well, the answer to the redditslop bait question is: yes. They will see each other again. In Hell.
