>>18403004
Not a saint, but still a pretty cool guy.

>>18403046
Also the reason he failed was very... german.
>I don't have a detonator for the second pack of explosives
>Should I just leave it there and let the other pack explode it?
>No that's not proper, I'll take it with me
On the other hand, their plans for a coup would never have worked, history would have played out roughly as IRL but with a second stab in the back myth. But it would have sent a message.

Half of the plotters were right wing but genuinely anti-Nazi and horrified by the regime's atrocities. Stauffenberg was a nationalist but found the Holocaust to be abhorrent. Canaris and Oster were anti Nazi since the 30s, Count Schwerin since the 20s.
But the other half were loyal Nazis (like Rommel, Nebe, and Hoepner, the latter 2 were involved in the Holocaust) who wanted to save their own skins.
Stauffenberg is very much a flawed hero.

>>18403004
>chad physiognomy
>tries to kill dysgenic incel Nazis

>>18403004
definition of based retard
>wanted to remove the guy he knew was dragging out a doomed war along with finding his general actions disgusting
>for some reason thought that the allies would be okay with Germany keeping land it got before the war despite said allies making it clear anything but unconditional surrender was going to happen

>>18403067
Most of the anti-Nazi resistance were just Prussian aristocrats afraid of losing the war but accepted the Nazis when it looked like they were winning, and believed Germans had a right to enslave Europe and exterminate non-Germans. They might have preferred this to be done in a more orderly fashion or under a monarch instead of a fuhrer but the overall goal remained the same, but instead of obstinately refusing to surrender, just blame everything on Hitler and try and seek an alliance with the Western Allies against the USSR. Then continue basically with National Socialism under a different name and keep doing the Holocaust and Generalplan Ost.

Tresckow, Nebe, Ewald Loeser were all involved in war crimes and genocide. Loeser was convicted of war crimes by Allies after the war. The majority of plotters supported the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Germany and genociding Slavs.
>As Chief of Staff of the 2nd Army, Tresckow signed an order on 28 June 1944 to abduct Polish and Ukrainian children in the so-called Heu-Aktion (Hay Action). Between 40,000 and 50,000 Polish and Ukrainian children aged 10 to 14 were kidnapped for Nazi Germany's forced labour programme.
Does this sound like a guy with a clean conscience to you?

Stauffenberg was a die hard German supremacist who hated Poles and wanted Poland to be a colony for Germans where the Polish would be slaves.
>Stauffenberg said, "It is essential that we begin a systemic colonization in Poland. But I have no fear that this will not occur"
>Upon completion of the Polish campaign in 1939, for instance (in which he had served as a staff officer in a Light Panzer Division), he described the Poles as 'an unbelievable rabble' of 'Jews and mongrels' who were 'only comfortable under the knout'. He would go on to advocate the systematic colonisation of occupied Poland by Nazi Germany.

They had literally the same exact belief system as Adolf Hitler.

>>18403096
There's a bit of a difference between "colonize an area" (like the brits did india or the french north africa) and "kill everyone".

>>18403095
The entire propaganda narrative that the western allied public was fed was centered around the Nazis, with the Nazis removed and replaced by a government that wished to sue peace a continuation of the war for muh unconditional surrender would have been almost impossible to justify.

>>18403101
that's not true, the war was cleary against germans, the clean wehrmacht myth was born after the war

>>18403106
>the war was cleary against germans
Yet most of their propaganda focused on the Nazis, that this was an ideological war against fascist tyranny.
>the clean wehrmacht myth was born after the war
Not really, no, as the clean Wehrmacht "myth" has some massive grains of truth to it.

>>18403096
I always kept hearing from /pol/kikes that stuff like this was fabricated after the war to slander the Germans and they wuz wholesum etc., etc.

The unconditional surrender demand just made the German people fight on harder, although it's impossible to say if it actually prolonged the war or not. It was however something the Soviets mostly lobbied for.

>>18403126
>Not really, no, as the clean Wehrmacht "myth"
...was created by the US and Britain after the war to support Cold War politics

>>18403096
They were generally national conservative DNVP-types. They wanted expansion from the Weimar borders, but not world conquest. They were antisemites, but not genocidal. They were authoritarians, but not totalitarians, etc. And on certain other topics like religion they were actually diametrically opposed. Many of the key conspirators had also been involved very early since before the war even started, including Tresckow, Beck, Canaris, Goerdeler, among others.
Löser and Tresckow were both only guilty of forced labour, that is what the former was convicted of while the latter actually pleaded with his superiors to cease the killings of civilians and POWs in the east.. Nebe was indeed involved in genocide though, but he also happened to be the only high-ranking SS officer in the conspiracy which should tell you that he is not at all representative.
Stauffenberg might be the one who fits your description best, but he was still less extreme than the Nazis.
Claiming that they had "the same exact belief system" as Hitler is a grossly misleading oversimplification to say the least.

>>18403231
much of the officer corps were Prussian Junkers who didn't overly care for Hitler a lower class Austrian and beneath their social standing

>>18403067
They were RW, they just didn't agree with how Hdawg was leading the war. Aristocratic right wanted more say than Hitler's populist rule (outdated in the 21st century's wars of mass mobilization)

>Leeb was tried by the United States military tribunal in Nuremberg in the High Command Trial. Leeb's defence attorney Hans Laternser acted as the de facto lead defence counsel and often represented other parties in matters of procedure. He defended the "decency" of the German officer corps and asserted that it had displayed respect for the laws of war.[24] The defence attributed the actions of the German military against civilians, hostages and partisans to battle conditions and military necessity. Addressing the criminal orders that Leeb and other defendants had passed on, Laternser claimed that Leeb was a humane soldier who had neither seen nor transmitted such orders and had no opportunity to countermand them. He claimed that Leeb knew nothing of the activities of the Einsatzgruppen in his area of command and anyway had no jurisdiction to stop them.[25]

>As the most senior officer of those on trial, Leeb presented a closing statement on behalf of the defendants. He stated the accused never compromised their soldierly principles and presented them as victims of history: "No soldier in all the world has ever yet had to fight under such a load and tragedy."

>>18403067
Rommel was comparatively clean as far as personal involvement in war crimes and is not known to have directly ordered any, although his troops did engage in abuses of civilian populations at times. The SS had a minor presence in North Africa and Jewish populations in areas where the North African campaigns were fought were relatively small.

>>18403234
would Richthofen have liked Hitler?

>>18403004
Gigachad

>>18403053
He would've turned Hitler into a martyr, even more so than he already is.