>never saw him perform a miracle>no witnesses spoke up for him in court>several witnesses spoke out against him>including one of his own followers>didn't meet the expectations for the messiah>some of the most cited messianic prophecies only apply during/after his execution>didn't see him rise from the dead>even after conquering death he disappears again anywayHow were they supposed to know Jesus wasn't a heretic? Saying "they should have just KNOWN man!" doesn't even fit the standard for his own followers, since he had to show them several miracles to convince them.
>>18403070That whole part is very transparently a polemic against early Chrstianity's direct competition of the Pharisees and latter rabbis.
Who belittled you with truth in such a way so as to make you post this, OP?
>>18403081Would you like to dispute the argument or does it make you too uncomfortable to think about the fact that, in their position, you would have made the exact same mistake?
>>18403070>you just have to trust that he was the messiah bro childlike belief is based bro crazy how one cult leader can change the course of world history like that. i wonder how many other jesuses/yeshuas existed that we never heard about
>>18403087I was already there, and I was not in their position.
>>18403070Christ and his followers were full of shit and borrowed most of their entire shtick from John the Baptist / Simon Magus respectively in the first place
>>18403186Simon Magus was probably a very early Christian leader, rather than a rival prophet, imo.
>>18403223>This, too, shall pass.
>>18403225Please explain to me how this relates to Simon Magus because I don't get it.
>>18403230Many will claim to be the Christ, or to have his throne.
>>18403070Dispensationalism is a gay heresy invented in the early 1800s and you are still retarded.
>>18403250You would have done the same thing in their place.
>>18403341False dichotomy; projection.
>>18403345Buzzword; buzzword. You're not special, you don't have magic intuition.
>>18403353False dichotomy; projection. Jeez, man. Try a little harder.
>>18403223Nah he was definitely a rival prophet, hence all the miracles attributed to him too
>>18403376What makes you think that?There are a tonne of miracles attributed to the apostles, and that doesn't point to them being prophets.
>>18403070Maybe we should take the word of the first and second century Jews who heard way more about him than you or I ever will, and history shows very clearly that most of them decided to become Christians.
>>18403070Clearly they were threatened enough to kvetch and demand he be nailed to a cross. Perhaps they or their shills were among the crowds that witnessed Jesus heal lepers and feed 4000 with 5 loaves and 2 fish.
>>18403531Yes, as well they would have certainly known by then he was the direct heir of Solomon
>>18403514>most of them decided to become Christians.They didn’t as the original Jews were all killed off during the Bar Kochba revolt (and they mostly rejected Christianity). Neither the Khazarian LARPers nor Arab Palestinians have any connection to ancient Jews.
>>18403551What about the Samaritans?
>>18403552They were already considered separate from Jews even before Christ was born.
>>18403551Yes.. no Arabs to see here
>>18403556Some, I assume, were good people
>>18403556DNA studies show that the Palestinians cluster right alongside Samaritans.
>>18403070It was a show trial dude.They grabbed him in the middle of the night with a bunch of armed thugs, beat the shit out of him, asked to prophesize on rigged questions, and delivered their judgement in a single night.They weren't trying to actually figure out if he was the messiah; they had already made their decision going in.
>>18403551genetics disproved khazarian hypothesis, all jews have levantine blood (ashkos at 50%)
>>18403649Correct. Also, the Pharisees didn't see miracles because they were unworthy to witness them. They did hear numerous firsthand accounts of miracles prior to the "official" trial but denied them because Jesus didn't fit their preexisting notion of Messiah. Same goes with regards to the prophecies, of which there are numerous examples besides the ones regarding death/ressurection. Their hearts were closed and they were acting in bad faith from the beginning. Just like OP.
>>18403692>the Pharisees didn't see miracles because they were unworthy to witness themHow convienient… even though showing them the miracles would have given them a reason to believe.
>>18403715They would've just attributed them to sorcery anyway, which is what they did with the aforementioned firsthand accounts.
>>18403454Because Simon Magus wasn't an apostle, obviously
>>18403070And your point is? Many of them could have likely been saved after this too. Not sure what you’re getting at. Condemnation of the Pharisees isn’t exactly a core tenant of Christianity.
>>18403730Not to our Christians, anyway. My point is that you don't have to be a prophet to be doing miracles. Please explain.
>>18403737>Condemnation of the Pharisees isn’t exactly a core tenant of ChristianityIt is one of the earliest core tenets of Christianity actually. It came directly from the mouth of Christ. The Jews to this day still kvetch about Christianity being a Sadducee-adjacent LARP.
YAHU your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. It is YAHU your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against YAHU your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way YAHU your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
>>18404115Paul is clearly trying to turn people away from the ways of YAHU SABAOTH.
>>18403070>they should have just KNOWN manYou're supposed to be able to discern the enitre sotry of the Bible by watching trees grow. If you can't you go to Hell forever.
YAHU:>then do to the false witness as that witness intended to do to the other party. You must purge the evil from among you. The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing be done among you. Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.Jesus:>“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.Jesus is clearly trying to turn people away from the ways of YAHU SABBAOTH.
>>18404122Also why would Jesus who is supposed to be God and the Word of God in the flesh say: You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ when he is supposed to be quoting the words that he himself said? He says this as if it was a random person who said eye for eye and tooth for tooth and not God himself, who is supposed to be him, the one who said it.
>>18404125I agree that JC and the earliest Christians likely doubted parts of the Hebrew Bible, either thinking of those parts as later human additions or attributing them to the influence of angels acting independent of the will of the highest God. Even "Until heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall pass from the law" doesn't strictly disallow that false additions might have been made to the law, I don't think. And then Jesus saying he came to "fulfill" the law, since "fulfill" in the Greek can also mean "complete," allows him to make his own additions or intensifications of the law, which he does.This is imo the most natural explanation of why early Christian sects included the full range from wholly accepting the Hebrew Bible as inspired by the Christian God (proto-orthodox), to accepting some parts and rejecting others (gnostics and ebionites) to wholly rejecting it (marcionites). The originals were in the middle, not at one of the extremes.
>>18404155I will not depart from a single thing the Most High commanded to Israel and I will not trust anyone who teaches to depart from them.
>a house divided against itself, etc.I don't know, couldn't Satan just do some false flags? The Bible says the Antichrist will be able to perform miracles
>>18403729>They would've just attributed them to sorcery anyway, which is what they did with the aforementioned firsthand accounts.Because Jesus wasn't the first person they'd heard of with miracles attributed to him. If every healer was declared the Messiah based on hearsay then they'd have accepted 1000 of them before Jesus was ever born. It's noteworthy that Jesus also didn't perform miracles in front of Herod, despite him being a (misguided) fan. His powers seem quite limited whenever independent witnesses are around.
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>>18403070>>never saw him perform a miracle…..>make stuff up>”prove me wrong, /his/!”Why is this the primary argumentation mode of homosexuals?
>>18404274And it's always religions topics like the Bible and Quran too
>>18403070>>didn't meet the expectations for the messiah>expectationsjews summed up 101; regurgitated text from generations of schizos who larp as higher IQ than they really are,- forcing the future true high IQ individuals into fulfilling the schizo wishes of the mob that wrote the text.
>>18403070>How were they supposed to know Jesus wasn't a heretic?Because they were the people whose entire function in society was to know?If I willingly take a job as a fire prevention expert, and then there's a fire at a building I certified as safe; I can't come back later and say "well, how was I supposed to know"
>>18404654>they should have just KNOWN man!Christians will justify them not receiving proof with "pearls before swine", then criticize them for not accepting claims without proof. It's utterly circular.
>>18404238why do christcucks believe a guy who murdered +6 million of their god's racial kinsmen ends up in heaven?
my 2cents:there was a horse conjunctivitis epidemic. eye boogers so big your eyelids stuck together.>be blind>in the desert, 2000 years ago.>no healthcare, no water.>nobody cares if you die.>someone puts mud in your eyes.>waits it to dry.>pulls a booger.>frrrrp>you see.>miracle.mp3>be hungry, along with 3999 more.>someone says "share">put your bread in the basket>everybody eats>miracle.mp3no explanation for water2wine, walking on water or taming the storm, rise&walk, relivegirl.exe, etc.t. believer
>>18403070real recognize real so if Jesus said then they should've followed. The 12 disciples dropped their careers and followed right away when real recognize real>they were happy to see Abraham's day>John said this is the onePaul did so they did.>blessed is who believes and has not seen>Bible says at end of gospels Jesus is present helping them each step of the wayAll prophecies fulfilled when you think about it. World peace between nations was achieved at ~35 it's just ideology war in Jewish proximity lands etc.>appears to 500 + Paul later on>Romans 11 on Judaism Jews stubborn cuz goyim tendencies causing them to get God that goy need instead>fulfill the law means no more animal sacrificingalso lovers of money verse so not actually real niggas
>>18405019Cope from people trying to reconcile being defenders of the h'white race while also following an offshoot of Judaism. When you ask them about it you'll get the usual knee-jerk responses.>ACHKSHUALLY Jesus was h'white/wasn't Jewish based on [hoaxes/bad translations/CI bullshit]>ACHKSHUALLY Jesus was part of the [good Jew] tribe while the filthy kikes who murdered him were from the [bad Jew] tribe>ACHKSHUALLY Christianity has almost nothing to do with Judaism and it all came from Greek philosophyEt cetera.The post is also retarded on its face because most Jewish holidays are victory celebrations or laments and you have to be pretty booty bothered to still be bringing those things up thousands of years later. As the joke goes, the major Jewish holidays can be summed up as "They tried to kill us, we won, let's eat".>Purim (Achemenids)>Rosh Hashanah (Egyptians)>Passover (Egyptians again)>Hanukkah (Seleucids)
>>18406219when are they going to add trans persecution to the list of holidays?
Isn’t john the baptist the supposed font of wisdom here though who had experience as a mystic and authority for the deseret community
>>18403081Probably me. The biggest Ishtar hater.
>>18403070I've always wondered what historical Jesus, the Apostles and John the Baptist were actually getting up to. My head cannon is that the book of John was written by someone that converted from the Hellenic Mystery Cults >>18403070
>>18403093Pretty sure there were a lot of other messiah claimants in Judea roughly around that time.....history could have gone waaaaaay different
