Our earliest mention of the name Yahweh comes from the Soleb Inscription (15th century BC) which mentions a group in the southern Levant called the “Shasu of Yahweh” (who presumably worshiped him). Later on in the 12th century BC (when Exodus allegedly happened btw), these Shasu, led by a warlord named Irsu, invaded Egypt during a period of instability and while they occupied Egypt, they plundered temples and “treated the gods as men” (I.E. viewing them as “false gods”). Eventually Pharaoh Setnakhte expelled the Shasu.The 3rd century BC Greco-Egyptian historian and high priest of Ra Manetho described this event in his Greek-language work detailing the history of Egypt titled Aegyptiaca and interestingly he wrote that after his expulsion, Irsu (rendered as “Osarseph” in Greek) changed his name to Moses (Manetho was using an earlier now-lost source). Now admittedly, Manetho did make a few errors in his account (he confused the Shasu with earlier invaders known as the Hyksos, confused Setnakhte with Amenhotep II, and mistook Irsu/Osarseph for being a renegade priest who allied with the foreign invaders even though he was one of them himself), but overall what he was saying was correct—the historical “Exodus” was not escaped slaves fleeing Egypt (Egypt didn’t even have the type of chattel slavery depicted in Exodus) but rather foreign invaders expelled for their crimes.
>>18405497Now how do we reconcile this with the fact that the Israelites were originally a Canaanite tribe from the Judean highlands (modern-day West Bank) who only later became a distinct group? It’s simple really, after their expulsion the Shasu ended up in Israel and there they introduced Yahweh worship, which even then still took centuries to fully solidify itself as the only religion (no evidence of any monotheism whatsoever prior to the Babylonian exile). Due to society being semi-illiterate (their oral traditions didn’t even have proper oral memorization techniques like the Brahmans, Magi, and Druids did with their traditions), the Israelites later conflated the historical Shasu with themselves and rewrote history to make themselves (or really the Shasu) escaped slaves rather than what the Shasu actually were, expelled invaders.
STOP!The exodus was not 12th century, AT ALL! NO! The Bible says it happened in the 14th century. And I would trust the Bible on the dating more than anything. Also ancient writers like Josephus say the same thing."Explain how you calculate the date from the Bible." I don't really feel like writing a wall of text. Joel Kramer talks about this in more than one of his presentations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JusQxiTXnESorry, but I'm just not going to type it out. But it is important. The dating is important.
>>18405500Sorry I meant 15th century, 1400s. Bishop Usher got this date, and we can also confirm it scientifically with Solar Eclipse recordings from ancient chronologies matched with the Biblical chronology. And again it's what most ancient writers say.
>>18405500>>18405504>The Bible says it happened in the 14th century.No it doesn't
>>18405506What's the point of saying "no it doesn't?" When it does. The whole Bible constantly gives dates for a reason. Is it because you actually want me to type out a text wall. I refuse to for you. It's already in video presentation form.I Kings 6.1 is the date of the Exodus.
>>18405508>I Kings 6.1 is the date of the Exodus.That verse doesn't give an exact date.
>>18405523Temple began construction 480 years after the Exodus. The temple construction began in 966BC. So 480 years earlier is 1446 BC.
>>18405523I Kings 6.1 says the Exodus happened 480 years (Septuagint says 440 years) before the fourth year of Solomon's reign."Well we don't know when Solomon's reign is for sure!"The Bible keeps track of every king that reigns and how long he reigned all the way down to the Babylonian captivity and of course years are recorded into the Persian captivity. Are you going to say we don't know the years of the Babylonian captivity either? Must I explain how we know that too?Further, like I said we have scientifically confirmed these dates by using solar eclipses recorded by ancient peoples. I coudl get into that too, but I shouldn't have to. It's simple, Bibles says it's 15th century, the kings of Egypt at that time match exactly with what the Bible says.The Pharaoh of the Exodus, like the Bible says he lost his son, he was killed by the final plague. And of course secular historians have to acknowledge that yes Thutmose IV was not the first born but he must have... ousted his older brother or something, it says that on wikipedia "hisroticans speculate" with a source from 2004, well why trust the torah when you got idiots from 2004 telling you what they think might have happened instead. Amenhotep II mummified body is literally covered in the plagues, a testament to God's judgement.
I find it ridiculous claim that the Exodus was "Jewish criminals being exiled" Which I think he's claiming comes from Manetho, a guy who's writings haven't survived outside of people quoting him. I would like a source on all of this then. I've read ancient writers talking about slight variations on the Exodus, I have not heard this one.But let's say Manetho writing hundreds of years after the Exodus says, "the Jews were criminals that got exiled." If you want to place your faith in the pagan priest Manetho, that's okay. I'll place my faith in the Bible. And I am tempted to bring up the archeological evidence proving the Biblical exodus, but there's two major locations that people debate over and I don't want to get into it. Plus the Torah is far earlier and contains writings from actual witnesses of the event. You can say that's not true if you want.Maybe trying to find secular explanations for the Bible is fun, but, it's up to you, I think it's true, I think this stuff happened. And it is strange, but the truth of the universe would be strange, it's a strange place that we're just here.
The story of the settlement of the Israelites in Egypt is based on a mishmash of historical and pseudo-historical facts from different time periods of Egyptian history.Joseph is somehow identified with both with the old-kingdom Pharaoh Djoser (Joseph) and the sage Imhotep, who was said (although when this story came to be I do not know) to have had a dream which is almost identical to the seven years of famine shown to Joseph.The exodus is likely based on the Hyksos rule of Egypt, followed by the Egyptian conquest of Canaan in the 18th dynasty, and then the final driving out of the Egyptians at the end of the bronze age, mixed with Iron age political realities.
>>18405545The story of Joseph and the dreams, is noticeable in Egyptian records because it's the same source, a real event, same with the Exodus. And the Biblical narrative has the most clear version of that event. "No it doesn't." Well there you have it.Any time a Biblical event is mentioned in another source, and the source is weird, Skeptics say that proves the bible is wrong, and others say it proves the Bible is true, and the alternate story is wrong. Just like the flood. Every ancient society mentions the flood, because it's a real event, who has the most accurate version, the Hebrews, just scientifically speaking they do.But, people will believe what they want to in the end, what supports the view they want. But Djoser and Imhotep being related to Joseph, that theory, which most people know. I wouldn't know what Egyptian records actually say about these two and if it conflicts hard with the Bible at all.You can say "the Exodus is likely based on... this other random thing I want it to be based on." all you want. Because of course the Exodus is a supernatural event and if you don't believe in that, you have to come up with another theory for it, but it should have some backing to it.
>>18405534>Are you going to say we don't know the years of the Babylonian captivity either?We don't and your entire post is headcanon
>>18405556You're right, we have no idea when Babylon took Jerusalem. In fact we don't even know when Christ was crucified and raised from the dead. Maybe... 14th century? Who knows. That's my headcanon anyway.You know, because if I say, Well this person says it occurred during this persons's reign [because ancient people typically calculated dates based on kingly reigns] you will say, "We don't know when he reigned!" And then I'll say, yes we do because it was after this reign, and after this event based on this reign. "Yeah, well how do we know the dates of THAT!" Because it's based on this, and this and this, all the way until modern day. That's history. You silly person.
>>18405544>Which I think he's claiming comes from Manetho, a guy whose writings haven't survived outside of people quoting him. I would like a source on all of this thenHe was citing earlier records and the decipherment of hieroglyphs has proven him correct.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irsuhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shasu>Plus the Torah is far earlier and contains writings from actual witnesses of the eventIt isn’t. The Torah was at best written during the Persian period, Genesis for instance was specifically written as a polemic against Babylon.
>>18405497https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iep4gnmJeRE
