Is it wrong to say that Somalis are essentially black Africans who have been Arabized?I've been digging into Somali history a bit and throughout much of it, the Somalis have always seemed to have venerated the Arabs on the other side of the Red Sea/Gulf of Aden as the civilization and culture that they looked up to and wanted to emulate, rather than the rest of Africa. The desert Nomadic lifestyle of many Somalis seems to have its closest parallel in the nomadism of the Arabs. Even if you look at Somalia's constant clan-based civil war in the 1990s, it seems much more akin to the tit-for-tat militia brawls you see in Arab countries like Libya, Yemen or Syria. To top it off, Somalia's even been partially overrun by a radical Sunni Islamist caliphate proto-state like what happened in Iraq and Syria.
>>18406360Many prefer to self-identify as arab rather than black.
>>18406360Honestly, not a terrible firing formation, I'd give it a solid 6/10
>>18406422by African standards it's 9/10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUSIs9K2Vls&list=PLWAHpYiBo-rtYt24_J_uaIIaOulbzrf3p&index=1
No. Somalis are Cushites, as are Hararis and Afars, along with Habeshas from Ethiopia and Eritrea.Somalia has had a lot more cultural Arabization since the second half of the 20th century.Habeshas have more genetic ties to Arabs, since they're Ethiosemites.
>>18406360No because their mother tongue is Somali and not Arabic. Other things like pastoralism and nomadic lifestyles far predates Arabs and was a practice that originated among early Cushitic speakers (who were from northern Sudan/southern Egypt).The conflicts you see in Libya, Yemen and Syria are also ethnic or sectarian based. Somalia is more or less ethnically homogenous with most Somalis being Sunni and following the same school of Islam.
>>18406360I like your interpretation, I think the dissenters in this thread are just haters. Splitting British Somaliland from Italian Somalia fucked things big time though which I think it unique in some ways, but also reminiscent of Sykes-Picot in other ways
>>18406360>thinks there aren't clan wars in the rest of subsaharan africa because his perception of history comes entirely from pop culture slop
>>18406360>Is it wrong to say that Somalis are essentially black Africans who have been ArabizedThe fuck does Arabized mean in this instance? They speak Somali, write in Somali, primarily engage in daily live in Somali. Think a little OP.
>>18407498i mean that they seem to culturally emulate the worldview and mentality of Arabs to a considerable degree, which would make sense considering their proximity and similarities in climate to the Arab world, etc. >primarily engage in daily live in Somalino speaka da Engrish good?
>>18406360I mean yeah they literally call themselves Arabs>Despite being described as part of the Hamitic/Cushitic ethnic group, Somalis traditionally trace their genealogy to Arabian ancestry. They believe that Hiil, father of Sab and Samaale, the two ancestors or fathers of the Somali nation, was a descendant of Qureysh, an Arabian tribe and the tribe of the Prophet Mohamed. This genealogical tree is revealed through Somalis’ oral tradition in which children are taught to memorize their genealogical tree, which sometimes goes back up to thirty named generations or ancestors. However, the ethnicity of Somalis is contested by historians and scholars, and their traditional claim of Arab ancestry and their relation to the Prophet are part of their efforts to assert their identity as Muslims.
>>18407671>they seem to culturally emulate the worldview and mentality of Arabs to a considerable degree.The only way you'd say that is if you barely knew shit about either group anon>which would make sense considering their proximity and similarities in climate to the Arab world, etc.The climate of both the gulf/ME and Somalia aren't exactly the same. Using your very vague and loose criterias, most of Africa would either be Europeanized or westernized if we were to do so.
>>18407676"Arab" isn't mutually exclusive with being of whatever other ethnicity groups one is a part of. Most Somali's don't actually say they are exactly like Arabs. More so since mixed Somali groups of ME or Arab ancestry aren't exactly favored in the Somali regions.
this man is infinitely happier and more fulfilled than 99% of people in the Western world's soulless ennui-filled white collar offices
>>18406360>the Somalis have always seemed to have venerated the Arabs on the other side of the Red Sea/Gulf of Aden as the civilization and culture that they looked up to and wanted to emulateThey were Islamized and thus absorbed Arab influences just like Muslims everywhere else. And they've been heavy on red-sea trade since long before Islam.>The desert Nomadic lifestyle of many Somalis seems to have its closest parallel in the nomadism of the Arabs. Cushitic peoples have been clan-based agro-pastoralists for thousands of years, with roots going back to the Nile Valley. Even their paternal lineages make clear the antiquity of their clan system. That has nothing to do with Islamic-era Arab influence. There may be an Islamic-layer but 90% of their material culture, customs, attire etc is shared with other Cushitics and Ethiosemites.
>>18407387>The conflicts you see in Libya, Yemen and Syria are also ethnic or sectarian based.Libya's conflict has no sectarian component, and aren't really ethnic either.>>18407391Those colonial borders have little to do with the later conflicts. Most people in Somaliland belong to one clan. Somalia proper has many different clans.>>18407700>>18407671Somalis overtly copying Arabs is a phenomenon that exploded in the late 20th century. Salafism gained a foothold in the country during that period too.>>18407676>>18407681Mixed-race Somalis are a separate ethnicity.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benadiri_people
>>18407985>Libya's conflict has no sectarian component, and aren't really ethnic eitherIts not tribe/clan based either. Its politically driven. Somalia by comparison is dealing with clannism and a radical Islamist insurgency.Although one thing Somalia and Libya have in common is that both saw America invade their countries and do a disasterous regime change.
>>18408564Ethiopia, later joined by Uganda and Kenya, are responsible for starting Somalia's current conflict. The Bush Jr. regime backed Ethiopia's invasion and regime-change in 2006 though.Somalia had actually gained peace and stability under the Islamic Courts Union. The goal is to keep Somalia and Yemen permanently in a state of civil war. Their neighbors don't want them becoming competition or regional powers, given their geographic location and historical status.
>>18406360I kid you not but a lot of (non-diaspora) Somalis consider themselves to be Arabs. Like just black skinned Arabs. They deny their own ethnicity and culture exists, that's how cucked by Islam they are.
>>18406360black africans aren't a coherent group and all they have in common is having darker skin than eurasians.somalis themselves are cushitic speakers and are distantly related to arabs, berbers, ancient egyptians, etc.
>>18407700somali architecture looks quite similar to coastal yemen more so than to highland ethiopia imo.
They're nilotic+natufian. They're theoretically mulattos but more dysgenic. I've never seen a Somali that look like Jeremy Meeks..
>>18408935I am replying to you directly but I am having trouble with all the anons complaining about Islam in Somalia.Why do you call them cucked but when christians say stuff like "I am not white/black/latino/asian, I am a christian first, Christ is king! Deus vult!" You and anons here don't think that's cucked?
>>18412803christian=/=arabchristian=muslimroman=arab
>>18408935>a lot of (non-diaspora) Somalis consider themselves to be ArabsI've never seen that. You sound crazy.>>18411806Gulf Arabs copied discount Iranian architecture for mosques and in recent decades have been copying discount Ottoman architecture.
>>18412953yemen is not gulf arab
>>18412730>cherrypicking
>>18413075That's why I said Gulf Arabs and not Yemeni or Somali. Although pretty much any culture that puts domes on mosques is copying Persian and Byzantine architecture.Arab and Moorish architecture didn't have domes.
>>18411806But somalis were all nomads, they didn't have cities. arabs who founded those towns were living in the coast
