Sometimes I hear people say, “I'm spiritual but not religious,” or, “I talk to God, but I don't think I need to go to church,” or, “I believe in God, I'm just not into organized religion.”And me I think, would you prefer a disorganized religion? Because anything in your life that you care about, you organize.Imagine a bank where they didn't organize keeping track of people's money. No one would use that bank. Imagine a football team with no organized practices, or equipment, or game schedule. Planning for that team would get really frustrating. You wouldn't give your money to a disorganized bank. You wouldn't want to play for a disorganized football team. The last thing you need is a disorganized plan to get to paradise.Every relationship that you care about, you schedule. Imagine parents never telling their kids what time they're picking them up from school or what time dinner's ready. Imagine a family not coordinating when they're getting together. Imagine having a boyfriend or girlfriend who never took the time to call and talk to you, or took the time to schedule hanging out with you, or prioritized being with you. That would be a pretty meaningless relationship.The relationships you don't plan are the ones you don't care about.Why do we pick a time to go to worship service, say all these prayers, and organize our religion? Because if a relationship matters to you, it's worth planning. And if important things should be organized, then the most important thing should be the most organized.If your relationship with the Lord is important to you, then organize it!
>>18406450Everybody hates organized religions, but it's only organized religions that survive and grow.
>>18406450Jehova's Witnesses are sad cultists who won't allow their members to get lifesaving blood transfusions even in emergency situations. They're not worth taking seriously.
>>18406450All gods are mythologiesAll holy books are fictionalPolitics is TreacheryReligion is Brainwashinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iep4gnmJeRE
>>18406469>Bloodless medicine appeals to many doctors because it carries low risk of post-operative infection when compared with procedures requiring blood transfusionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodless_surgery
>>18406478I know someone personally who let their daughter die by depriving them of a blood transfusion. "Bloodless surgery" is a cope.
>>18406480>malpractice, also known as professional negligence, is an "instance of negligence or incompetence on the part of a professional"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malpractice
>>18406450Legitimate question: Are you retarded or mentally ill? Because religion is the least probable way gods or spirits for that matter would roll. Quite prone to human intervention, for one. Speaking of which: scientists agree on two matters. 1. Prayer (Christian) doesnt work for shit. 2. Shamans heal, and infact it works so well anthropology and other sciences ate having a field day with shamanism.
>>18406481JW are responsible for the malpractice by frequently denying their own members lifesaving surgery on a religious basis. Your entire organization should be banned by the federal government.
>>18406482https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwXx_EQuQdQ
>>18406483>patients who do not receive blood products during hospitalization often recover more quickly, experience fewer complications, and are able to be discharged home more quickly.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodless_surgery
>>18406485Again, "bloodless surgery" is a massive cope that doesn't excuse the fact your organization denies its members lifesaving treatments. Your cult should've been made illegal in the early 1870s when it first spawned.
>>18406490>bloodless patients do just as well and, in many cases, better than patients who receive transfusions.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQIpZDy_PU8
>>18406491Just keep spamming because you have no real excuse for your cult's bullshit
>>18406496> Acts 15:20 >“Abstain from blood.”
The quakers have either capacious discussions about programmed vs unprogrammed or else that discussion is usually not mentioned possibly because of quaker schisms
>>18406499Don't christfags believe they have to drink the blood of their mangod every Sunday?
>>18406450People say that because they either believe in God but don't want to follow any system of ethics that comes with religion or because they're agnostic theists who don't relate to any particular religion.
>>18406506Yes which is what makes the JW position all the more ridiculous. Acts wasn't talking about lifesaving blood transfusions, it was talking about full-on cannibalism.
>>18406506>>18406511>The unleavened bread and red wine served at the Memorial are emblems, or symbols, of Christ’s flesh and blood. They are not miraculously changed into or mixed with his literal flesh and bloodhttps://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/lords-supper/
>>18406517The idea communion is just symbolic has really never been the case throughout Christian history until modernity when some sects (like JW) adopted that notion
>>18406517>For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. - John 6:55No. Also you're saying you're merely a symbolic cannibal?
>>18406518The Christian Church in the early stages picked up pagan oral teachings from Jewish and Hellenistic sources that formed the basis of a secret oral tradition, which in the 4th century came to be called disciplina arcani. It contained liturgical details and other traditions which remain a part of some branches of mainstream Christianity (for example, the doctrine of transubstantiation was a part of this). Some important esoteric influences on the church were the theologians Clement of Alexandria and Origen, the main figures of the Catechetical School of Alexandria.
>>18406523John 6 is not about the Passover. It happens at a different time of the year. It’s not showing us the Eucharist or even the Last Supper of the Mass.And even Catholic scholars if they’re being honest will tell you that in Jewish imagery, in Jewish literature, eating was always a metaphor for believing or internalizing a teaching. This was common in Jewish theology and understanding.So what Jesus was saying in John 6 was that they had to believe what he was saying, internalize the message that he was giving them.Jesus clearly states to "do this in remembrance of me". Nowhere in the Last Supper did he give them his literal flesh or pour out his blood for them to drink, which would have been forbidden under the Law of Moses.
>>18406527>Jesus says it's real flesh and blood>nooo Jesus you're wrong you're only speaking symbolically!!what causes this?
>>18406529Earlier in the chapter, Jesus fed the 5,000 (John 6:1–13). The next day, the same multitudes continued to follow Him, seeking another meal. Jesus pointed out their short-sightedness: they were only seeking physical bread, but there was something more important: “Food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you” (John 6:27). At this point, Jesus attempts to turn their perspective away from physical sustenance to their true need, which was spiritual.
>>18406530That's just saying he is superior as a food source when comapred to bread. He can fill your tummy infinitely no matter how many times you poop you'll still have a part of him inside your guts
>>18406532When Jesus said we must “eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood” (John 6:53), He spoke, as He often did, in parabolic terms. We must receive Him by faith (John 1:12). “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled” (Matthew 5:6). We understand that we need physical food and drink; Jesus wants us to understand that we also need spiritual food and drink. And that is what His sacrifice provides.
>>18406533See you could have used that argument if Jesus in the bible didn't say that his flesh and blood were actual food and drink. We know of early Christians who also believed semen and menstrual blood had hidden spiritual properties. In fact if you look at the context even in your bible you can see that the people were horrified at what was just said
>>18406526Thanks ChatGPT but that's not really a refutation of my point
>>18406450if intellectual dishonesty was an olympic sport, jehovists would finish first, so far ahead of the crowd that there'd be no second and third places awarded. catholics and american religiotards would get an honorable mention, though.
>>18406506your sentence structure reeks of something that has bold psychological inclinations, but the reference is more personal than social. I don't usually perform hermeneutics on random 4chinz posts but I just had to>>18406490NTA but unless you're raised in JW or any related religion its a choice people make to join. the fact they allow it to take precedence over individual decisions is similar to how women care more about consensus than conscience. I'm not saying religion is bad, I am a Christian and have a crucifix hanging over my computer stand wrapped around a picture of Jesus with photos of Thomas Aquinas and St. Paul but if a religion is making you act outside the bounds of reason you should be free to leave. Now you might say that believing in God is unreasonable but I'd also wager like Pascal that cutting your dick off because you think you're Princess Jasmine in the body of a fat retard is too.
>>18407881regardless of what you think being straight-forward with intentions all the time gets you in more trouble. that's why when an axe murderer asks your family where they're hiding, you don't say, "in my basement near my piss jugs"
>>18407897I was about to ask whether you mis-referenced the post you were responding to, but then I realized you think I read the OP and reacted to its contents instead of just reacting to yet another jehovist pretending to be interested in discussion. your ilk here and in real life has shown clearly that there's no such thing as a honest jehovist. your ilk is repugnant even by christian standards.
Hi JM,Our relationships are often personal. Imagine you had a friend Agatha Perry but you are asked by an organization called "Agatha's Friends" that claims to know how best to be Agatha's friend and asks you to come to their "friendship meetings" every week where they give you a (boring?) lecture on what "the rules" are to be Agatha's friend and if you disagree sometimes its OK but an unfortunate number of times that's a terrible crime called "badfriendsy" and they'll tell you that Agatha will punish you dearly for that.Actually, Agatha Perry is awesome, so why aren't the "friendship meetings" awesome?
>>18406450i was born into this cultwhy tf did i learn the forbidden books as a child? why do i know about enoch? why did you only put that into the hardcover child oriented books? only after leaving i realized thisalso why are cube themed things following my every step
>>18406482Basedentists agree on two things, 1. Trans women are women 2. Get the jabRetard
>>18406450Did the world end in 1914, or 1975?
>>18408584I remember the 1975 one. it seeped out and spread among the general populace. I was in elementary school back then, and remember getting into arguments with my schoolmates about it.
>>18406450>And me I think, would you prefer a disorganized religion? Because anything in your life that you care about, you organize.the opposite of organized religion is not disorganized religion, it is personal religion. A person who says they don't want organized religion does not want a spiritual guide or ritual practices. They are their own guide, and they will create their own rituals.
There's no point in debating with a JW because they use a corrupted Bible. That alone says everything you need to know about their "religion".
>>18409221I disagree withthe reason. there's no point in arguing with a jehovist because they aren'treally participating. they get good-boy points for keeping heathens engaged in discussion. they aren't motivated to debate honestly and so they don't. the altered (actually: mistranslated) bible is just a sideshow.
I'm not a Christian but was raised one. In any case, please consider Matthew 7:15 - "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.".Let's consider this against false prophecies made by the Jehovah's Witnesses organisation, and it's predecessors, in regards to the date of the Apocalypse.1831 - William Miller forms his movement claiming the world will end around 1843 - 44Early 1843 - Miller declares a prophecy that the world will end between March 21, 1843 – March 21, 1844March 1844 - The prophecy fails, Miller revises the date to April 18, 1844April 1884 - The prophecy fails, Miller revises the date to October 22, 1844October - The prophecy fails - this time is known as the "Great Disappointment" - most members of his cult grow tired of his false prophecy and abandon the movement.-- After the Great Disappointment, a small number of ex-Millerites form their own splinter sects, one of which will become the Bible Students, led by Charles Taze Russell --Early 1870s - Russell declares the following; >Jesus will return to the Earth in 1874>The Saints will be resurrected in the flesh in 1875>All faithful Christians will be raptured in 1978>All worldly governments will collapse and be replaced by the Kingdom of God in 1914>According to Russell, 1874 will mark 6000 years since the creation of the Universe 1874 - Jesus does not return, as far as anyone can tell. Russell proclaims Jesus has actually returned to Earth, but he is actually invisible so nobody can see him yet.1875 - The Saints have not resurrected and do not live amongst us. Russell claims they have in fact resurrected... as invisible spirits.1878 - The faithful are not raptured. Russell says that in fact, every true Christian that had already died had had their spirits invisibly raptured from their graves.1914 - WW1 breaks out. The prophecy fails, God's Kingdom doesn't destroy all man-made governments. Russell revises the date to 1915.
>>18409224Continued...1915 - The world fails to end, and God's Kingdom doesn't conquer the Earth. Russell again revises the date, this time to 1918.-- Charles Taze Russell dies in 1916. Rutherford takes over, and claims that Jehovah bans men from having beards (why would he give them facial hair then?). This is in fact because they remind him of Russell and sees males with beards as a subtle disapproval of his leadership. --1918 - Nothing happens again. Rutherford makes a prophecy that various Bible characters will resurrect in the flesh and live amongst us from 1925, shortly to be followed by the Apocalypse.1925 - Various Bible characters do not come back to life. The world also did not end.1929 - Rutherford still claims the Bible characters will come back life. He buys a fancy mansion in California for them to live in... when they come back. But until then... it's only right he lives in the mansion of course!-- The Bible Student organisation rebrands itself as the Jehovah's Witnesses in 1935 -- 1941 - Vague prophecies are made that the end is imminent, and will occur before WW2 ends, but no specific date given.1945 - WW2 ends but the World doesn't. Jehovah's Witnesses ban blood transfusions based off an intentional misinterpretation of the Bible.1950 - The prophecy about the Bible characters returning in the flesh is quietly dropped from messaging, but they still believe it will happen eventually.1950-61 - Jehovah's Witness re-edit and modify the Bible, releasing their own version.They remove references to Jesus as God in order so that it matches their theology. All linguistic, historical and biblical scholars of note agree their changed the original correctly translated verses to have new, incorrect interpretations, and did so intentionally.1966 - The big one. Jehovah's Witnesses claim the world will really end this time, for real. In 1975.
>>18406450They're just trying to say that they don't trust a church filled with kid diddlers and retarded old men
>>18409232Continued again...1974 - In May 1974, the Watch Tower Society told members: "Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly, this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end."1975 - The Apocalypse does not occur. Millions of members quit the Jehovah's Witnesses in the following weeks, months and following couple of years.Millions of members had their lives ruined by this false prophecy. The damage is still affecting people today - lost opportunities for love, families, education, careers. The Jehovah's Witnesses leadership blamed its own membership for the failure of the prediction.1980 - The Watch Tower makes the prophecy that the world will surely end before the year 2000.1984 - The Watch Tower prophecies that the world will end before the "1914 generation" have all died, and that this must almost surely be before the millennium.1995 - Jehovah's Witnesses quietly repeal their "generation of 1914" end times prediction.2008 to present - The current prediction, is that of the "overlapping generations". The world will end imminently - that is, before all of the generation of people who were alive at the same time as people born prior to 1914 have all died.Roughly 50 people born prior to 1914 still live. Which means once they're all dead, the world will end before everyone alive at that point has died themselves.Now, given this LONG list of failed prophecies... HOW could anyone believe in this without being indoctrinated from birth, out of fear of losing their cult indoctrinated families, or due to schizophrenia?
>>18409224*Meant to say 1878 not 1978 for the rapture date here.
My dudes what was it about the 1830s that caused such a religious upheaval? You get Mormons and JWs and the (second) Great Awakening?
>>18406450>Jw in 2026Wild
>>18406469They just overturned that doctrine, sorry about all those kids who died I guess lmao gg
>>18409325Jeffersonian/Jacksonian democracy, rejection of clergy and education in favor of charisma and aura/vibes, massive economic and territorial expansion to the west, big white boy energy. Really fun period to study because of how crazy it all was.Read The Democratization of American Christianity and (if you have an attention span) The Market Revolution: Jacksonian America, 1815-1846 and pay attention to the parts about antinomianism
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>>18409681I gave several broad reasons in explanation, but OK. I'll add that the Stone-Campbell movement also started a few decades earlier, and all of these churches were "restorationist" in that they said that all previous ones had been corrupted or compromised but that they had the truth, like the correct name for God (JWs) or a new testament of Christ (Mormons). America was a young country and most of its identity came from rejecting the "Old World" (starting with the Puritans rejecting the CoE as hopelessly corrupted). The first organized political party in America was dedicated to opposing the Free Masons because they were thought to be elitist and control everything. Jackson won his presidential election against a man seen as pompous and overly-refined by frontiersmen. Romanticism was the major artistic and intellectual movement of the early nineteenth century, and that played into the emotionality and subjective religious experiences of revivals.Here's a 1-hour discussion of the first book if you can't be bothered to even read reviews:https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-age-of-jackson/073-nathan-o-hatchs-the-nx2phZbq9E4/
>>18406450If you're dumb enough to join the JW's and be surrounded by a congregation of 70 IQ brownoids and be forced to knock on doors and JWpost on 4chan for the rest of your life, go ahead, I hope you do, I hope you suffer, I won't stop you.
>>18406533Maybe Jesus's shouldn't have said something so stupid that half the world would misunderstand. Maybe he shouldn't have gone around saying "I AM" and confusing people that he was saying he is God and then needing you to argue with people to fix the problems he caused. Fuck that Jewish fraud.
jewhovahs witnesses went under and now has a professional globohomo asset management team calling all the shots, the witnesses have no idea. but theyre being bankrupted by floods of child molestation lawsuitshttps://youtu.be/dwiuymMbWeY
