>>18407100
Non-salafi see Shia as oddities and perhaps deviated. But still muslims
Salafis instead consider them non-muslims and with such hatred they cheer when their zionist masters kills iranians with mass bombings

>>18407112
So how come non-Salafis don't marry them then? You think a Somali man would allow his daughter to marry a Twelver? an Algerian man? a Syrian man? That would never happen. Even an Indian Sunni Muslim or a Bangladeshi would not accept a female in his family marrying a Twelver Shia man from Iran and those countries are heavily leaned into Sufism which has a lot in common with Shia.

It is not normal at all for laymen Sunni Muslims who are active practising Muslims to marry with Shia's. It's seen as almost as strange and weird as a Sunni marrying a Hindu or a Harre Krishna.

I've talked to Moroccans who said that they would marry a Christian or Jew woman but not a Shia woman unless the Shia woman became Sunni first and they knew her views on the Companions.

It is not a culturally normal thing whatsoever for Sunni's to associate and mix with Twelver Shias, especially the Iranian ones who are seen as more overtly problematic than say the Lebanese ones or Iraqi ones.

>>18407100
Shia are ahl bidah but are muslims the general ones as long as they are not extremist versions of it, majority of scholars even the four imams have never takfired all of the Shia even Ibn Taymmiyah who the Whahhbis love so much said the same thing, the only kind of shia who he takfired was the nusaris who belived Ali was Allah SWT, of course there are some laymen who just assume every shia are like those extremist videos but that's nt the reality, I go in the same class as a shia and we can perfectly hang out

>>18407100
"Religion is bullshit" - George Carlin

And I say:
All gods are mythologies
All holy books are fictional
Politics is Treachery
Religion is Brainwashing

>>18408140
Whoa...

>>18407112
>>18407294
What these guys said, speaking from a western perspective I think a lot of Muslims in the west feel we’re already seen as too much of an oddity to be further dividing ourselves along sectarian lines. Islamophobes aren’t looking at Shia vs Sunni when they’re going to vandalize mosques or whatever. That being said, there’s some pretty serious differences between our belief systems. It’s reasonable for a Sunni to not want to marry his daughter off to a Shia because if the Shia is cursing the Sahaba that’s a huge deal for us theologically. Like, I can chat it up with a Shia about the current war with Iran or politics or Israel or whatever and we can all be cheery. But if he starts cursing the sahabah in the middle of the conversation Im walking away because im just not comfortable with that around me theologically. So with something like marriage you would definitely want to vet that out if you feel your daughter’s eternity is at stake. But as a general rule it’s a “don’t start nothin won’t be nothin” between Sunnis and shias, at least in the west from what I can tell. We can tolerate each other and even be friends, but there’s always a chance that one can say something to the other that is fundamentally opposed to their worldview. But even that doesn’t mean we have to kill each other or even takfir, just not the type of person you’d prefer to be around if you could.
Where’s this all coming from if you don’t mind me asking OP? Are you looking to convert & going over the Sunni-Shia divide? Or are you Shia trying to better understand Sunni perspectives?

>>18410491
>Where’s this all coming from if you don’t mind me asking OP?

Well we are being informed by white-Western social media influencers like SyrianGirl, Jackson Hinkle, Haqiqatjou and Richard Medhurst that opposition to Shi'ites, especially Iranian Shi'ites being included in the "Muslim Ummah" is strictly a propaganda tactic pushed by Israel and Gulf countries, chiefly the "Saudi Wahhabis" and that Shi'ites are viewed as brothers by all Sunni Muslims outside of Wahhabis.

This is completely false. Because in cities like London, Birmingham, Berlin, Paris, Amsterdam, Stockholm, Philadelphia, New York, Chicago etc there are no Saudis there. No "Gulf Wahhabis" live in these Western cities, and yet the opposition to Shi'ites among the Sunni both young and old is very strong there.

Even a Yemeni living in one of these cities does not recognise the Houthis as his brothers, they are either seen as evil enemies of Sunnis or seen as strange and weird and to be kept a distance from. They are absolutely NOT seen as "just another fellow brotherly Muslim from another sect"

You can go up to any Algerian youth or Moroccan youth or Syrian youth or Paki youth or Somali and introduce a Shia to him, and that Shia will NOT be instantly seen as a brother and welcomed as just a fellow Muslim and "we don't talk about our differences".

This does not mean the Shi'ite will be attacked or even treated with open disdain, but he WILL be viewed with extreme suspicion and asked why he is Shia and why he doesn't become Sunni. It will be viewed a shocking thing to even encounter a Shi'te in the flesh.

And yet none of these people are "Gulf Wahhabis" or "Israel bots" as the likes of Hinkle and Haqiqatjou and suggest. These are just normal Muslims living in Western cities who may not even be that devout and are just involved in roadman life. But still despite that, they see the Shi'ites as weird aliens who don't belong to them.

>>18410909
>Well we are being informed by white-Western social media influencers like SyrianGirl, Jackson Hinkle, Haqiqatjou and Richard Medhurst that opposition to Shi'ites, especially Iranian Shi'ites being included in the "Muslim Ummah" is strictly a propaganda tactic pushed by Israel and Gulf countries, chiefly the "Saudi Wahhabis" and that Shi'ites are viewed as brothers by all Sunni Muslims outside of Wahhabis.
Because those people are all duplicitous pro-Islam shills who want to make the religion seem more reasonable by whitewashing its more weird and fundamentalist elements.

The same people will also lie that Muslims don't forbid things like homosexuality, dog ownership, or listening to music. Because they know if the average westerner knew about these elements of Islam they would be repulsed by Muslims and consider them as freaks at best, or cultural enemies at worst.

>>18407100
>>18410909
>>18411326
The Iranian government follows an Abrahamic religion and thus by-default they are no different from Zionists and are at best controlled opposition.

Actual genuine antizionism would be a complete rejection of all Abrahamic religions and a revival of paganism (which in Iran’s case would be Zoroastrianism and despite popular misconception, no pre-Islamic Iran wasn’t tolerant of Jews).

>>18412241
Iran does not follow an Abrahamic religion, they follow something which is not recognised as Islam, but combines elements of Islam with Hinduism, Catholicism and Zoroastrianism, and furthermore the country is much more Zoroastrian than you give it credit for. Zoroastrian festivals are openly celebrated in Iran while Eid is not. Even Albania and Kosovo observe Ramadan and Eid but the Iranians do not. So how is that Islamic or Abrahamic? There are like 1 million Sunni Muslims residing in Tehran yet they do not have a mosque to worship in, but Zoroastrian temples and Jewish synagogues are permitted. So how is this Islam?

The Iranian diaspora tells us openly that pre-Islamic Iran was the best friends of the Jews. They bring receipts and flags and say that "look we love our Jewish friends, Cyrus was a great friend of you Jewish people, we love you". No other Muslim or Arab country has the amount of pro-Jewish protestors as Iran. And these protestors are saying that pre-Islamic Iran was the best friends of the Jewish people.

>>18410491
>Islamophobes aren’t looking at Shia vs Sunni when they’re going to vandalize mosques or whatever
Nobody vandalize Shia mosques because there are barely any Shia in the west. Its Sunni people like moroccans, pakis or nigeriana causing western people distrust islam