I discovered in myself a very insightful revelation. I knew that when I felt sexual attraction to a woman that it was because of the selfishness that was in me. Yes, even in the context of marriage. Don't you feel it? Examine your own inner psyche and you will see that it is a "wanting feeling." "I want that for myself." Not for the good of the other. No for the betterment of humanity. But for my own, sick, selfish, pleasures. I thought to myself one time, "Wow, that lady has very pretty eyes." Harmless it seemed to me in the beginning, when I lusted after their bodies, until I realized that I was engaging in selfishness. I was being covetous! And how could you not feel shameful, engaging in the sex act? I myself engaged in fornication and it was shameful! I objectified another human being for pleasure! It is a shameful thing indeed. It is an act we do in secret with one another, because of the shame inherent in it. We are shameful because it is dirty, because it is violating, and because it is fundamentally selfish. You cannot refute this. Sex is sin. Avoid sex and sexual attraction at any turn. It is a snare. It is a scandal!
>>18407448I have no desire for intimacy, for selfish reasons.
>>18407448Wanting good things for yourself is only seen as a sin in post modern protestantism/ liberal catholicism. Following good impulses to procreate amd defend a community is not a sin unless you have a progressive death cult interpretation of scripture
I think sex is like food. It's okay to enjoy it with your wife, but you're not supposed to enjoy it too much. You're not supposed to eat 2 cheessburgers and down a milkshake. Also don't tell me you only eat bread and water or something like that because even bread and water taste very good to a hungry man.I think the real issue is the concept of relationships today. Dating culture. Couples should only court each other, marry after a few weeks and marry in the early twenties. In that case, the purpose is for reproduction, glorification of god.
>>18407448Read the bible. God created male and female and He created holy marriage. Marriage is holy and pure and chaste, it is how God designed man to live.
>>18407448You do you, but I'm not going to be a eunuch for your sky deity.
>>18407448Augustine was a freak who wrote about how in Eden Adam had full control over his erections, and Eve could have sex and give birth without losing her virginity, since menstruation doesnt break the hymen.
>>18407746There's a pattern where >Only bitter sexless autists who hate the idea that anyone anywhere might at some point be happy, would ever willingly become a monk/imam/whatever.>All religious rules and doctrines are bitter, anti-sex, and autistic.It doesn't hurt that by declaring a fundamental and unavoidable aspect of human existence and connection evil, you can lock the rubes into an endless cycle of easily exploitable guilt to which only you provide an outlet for relief.
>>18407703If Jesus is the ultimate moral example we should follow, then we should all be celibate.
>>18407853Does Jesus say celibacy is superior to not being celibate, or even that he is celibate?I know Paul said celibacy was morally superior, but I don't believe Jesus did. And besides, Paul thought the world would end in his generation, so there was no need to have children.
>>18407448NO, MORON; SEX IS NOT A SIN, NOR IS IT SINFUL; INORDINATE SEXUAL PASSION IS SINFUL.CONCUPISCENCE IS NOT SINFUL; WICKED INTENT IS SINFUL; EVIL ACTS ARE SINFUL.
>>18407941what really cracks me up is that even the people who translated Augustine thought he got too cringe so left his really batshit anti-sex stuff in latinhttps://www.logoslibrary.org/augustine/city/1426.htmlGo ahead and translate that through chatgpt if you want a laugh.
>>18407948SAINT AUGUSTINE, AND ALL HIS ACOLYTES, CONFLATE POTENCY WITH ACTS; VIRTUALITY WITH REALITY.THE CITATION IN THE ORIGINAL POST STATES: «PASSION IS THE EVIL IN ADULTERY»... NO SAINT AUGUSTINE, FORNICATION IS THE EVIL IN ADULTERY.AUGUSTINIANISM IS THE BASIS FOR PROTESTANTISM; AUGUSTINIAN THEOLOGY IS THE CAUSE FOR ALL THE SEXUAL MANIAS AND COMPLEXES THAT VEX PROTESTANT HERETICS.
Sin/Nanna is a deity associated with the Moon.Original Sin refers to the mythical star that existed that later went on to be represented by the Moon but still lingers about our system.NOT to be confused with Inanna (aka Ishtar) who is Venus that supplanted him. Or perhaps she was just a pothole along the cosmic railway that sent him astray, who knows...
>>18407936Even paul says a celibate man is not superior. Which is weird to me because Paul also says a celibate will be more concerned with God.
Can you somehow get your message across the indians, pakistans, bagledesh people? If they fall for your memes, maybe they'll stop reproducing and surpress their evolutionary purpose with each living organism is cursed with.>sex is bad saar and selfish lets stop reproducing, saaarr.That shit would be amazing thanks.
>>18407448tl;dr
>>18407987>Even paul says a celibate man is not superior.what about 1 Cor 7:38>he who marries his fiancée does well; and he who refrains from marriage will do better
>>18407853Emulating Jesus doesn’t mean you die in the place of God’s people for all their sins either.
>>18408193It’s in the context of verse 26. Paul repeatedly expressly denies that celibacy is superior to marriage, only that it is more wise under the “present distress” of the Corinthian church.
>>18407853Read Song of Solomon
>>18408206What if you do tho
>>18407448I want to use fat tits as masturbation tools.
>>18407829Augustine was a sex having profligate in his youth howeverMany such cases.
>>18407448Better chop your balls off to avoid temptation. If you were sincere that's what you'd do.
>>18409000according to Augustine the temptation was inherited from Adam because he ate a fruit that was a no-no, and somehow this created lust which was passed down from parent to child like a genetic diseaseNOT the testicles, so don't ask him to chop it off.
>>18409016Fuck off retard.
>Thinking evil thoughts makes you evilAugustine has a lot of terrible takes
To Augustine>man was harmonious>the mind ruled the body perfectly>that harmony was damaged>result is concupiscence. desires don’t fully obey the will>the body can become aroused without deliberate choice>just as humans rebelled against God, the body now rebels against the mindTo science>desire is driven by automatic systems>hormones>limbic system>operates below conscious control>reproduction is essential for survival of the species>sexual desire is designed to be strong>sometimes override rational calculationIf we were purely rational and had no God people might choose not to reproduce at all, killing the system.Thats why God commands the rational, sustaining the system.>genesis 1:28
>>18409083CONSENTING to evil thoughts makes you evil according to augustine.
>>18409043wtf is your problem?
>>18409000That's not how sexuality works scientifically.
>>18409103>>genesis 1:28Context. God asks them to repopulate the earth because he just flooded and exterminated almost all of humanity. It's not really relevant today.
>>18409171Did God flood the whole earth before genesis 1:28?
>>18409171that does not happen in chapter 1 of genesis
>>18409186>>18409187Okay. I mixed up the two. Still, God saying that immediately after creating man makes sense. Not so much with 7 billion people.
>>18408193Whenever Paul says positive things about marriage its within the context of avoid lust. So marriage is only good if it helps you avoid sin, which doesn't seem like much of a positive endorsement.Also earlier 7:32-35 clearly references Matthew 6:24 (the idea that you can't serve two masters) in that people who are married are tempted to serve their marriage instead of God. Again, not a very positive view, and seems to go against any idea of marriage mirroring God's relationship with the church (which some people say marriage is an imitation of)>One who is unmarried is concerned about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, and his interests are divided. The woman who is unmarried, and the virgin, is concerned about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and spirit; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how she may please her husband. This I say for your own benefit; not to put a restraint upon you, but to promote what is appropriate and to secure undistracted devotion to the Lord
>>18407936He says that marriage is a purely earthly affair, which seems to imply that celibacy is better because it is spiritual, because spiritual is better than earthly (Matthew 22:30, Mark 12:25, Luke 20:35)
>>18407448why is religion always having a sook over everything humanity does?
>>18407936>>18407987Council of Trent says that virginity is superior to marriage and you're anathema if you disagree>CANON X.-If any one saith, that the marriage state is to be placed above the state of virginity, or of celibacy, and that it is not better and more blessed to remain in virginity, or in celibacy, than to be united in matrimony; let him be anathemahttps://www.papalencyclicals.net/councils/trent/twenty-fourth-session.htm
