I've often been told that Hinduism is just a continuation of Indo-European Polytheist tradition, and is basically an offshoot of Roman/Greek/Norse mythology that happened to survive into the modern day because India was never Christianized. Is this true?
>>18407925Hinduism early on was concerned with ordering society and ensuring human prosperity through vedic ritualism, later these vedas were interpreted further into a philosophy of consciousness, early on with samkhya and yoga with buddhism branching off of that worldview, then the revolution of bhakti. bhakti is considered the entire goal of life. bhakti is treated as superior to meditation, knowledge, action, and surrender to God. even with monistic understandings ("God is. Everything else is an appearance. Assimilate this"), even with jnana that there is effectively only a nondual consciousness that is eternally defined as existence, consciousness, and bliss, and that Thou Art That, one chooses to believe in a personal god as a representation of That, because the personal relationship with the divine is even sweeter than nirvana.
>>18407925>a continuation of Indo-European Polytheist traditionSure. It's a simplistic way to put it but it's not really incorrect.>and is basically an offshoot of Roman/Greek/Norse mythologyNo. Not even close. Hinduism has an endogenous philosophical and theological tradition that differs a lot from anything present in Europe. The original indo-european pantheon has faded well into the background by now.
>>18407949>No. Not even close. Hinduism has an endogenous philosophical and theological tradition that differs a lot from anything present in Europe.I remember reading about documented cases of European Pagan tradition surviving in some isolated parts of Eastern Europe well into the 19th century in the form of local superstitions such as local spirits who bring bad luck and in a way it kind of resembled a form of proto-hinduism
>>18408685You can remember whatever you want, but without sources we can't believe much. I'm sorry, but you seem to confuse the Vedic belief system and "Hundism" (a false term, by the way). There's no way IE polytheism can be "proto-Hundism"Non-pooper authors distinguish between "ancient Vedic religion" and "Hinduism." The influence of Vedic mythology on Hinduism is not very great, and religious terminology has changed considerably, with many key terms from Hinduism not existing in Vedic or having different meanings.
>>18408823Why do you keep misspelling hinduism?Which regardless, is a useful category insofar as you need to speak of the religious practices specific to to India and the hindosphere as a group.
>>18407925bro do you think the Vikings would be worshipping toilets
no elephant gods and monkey gods in the Nordic and Greek pantheons
>>18408889Shit like building shrines to toilets is just the successor to believing that there are bathroom spirits, which is absolutely a European Pagan practice.
>>18408823>but without sources we can't believe much.we do have a handful of sources though. ReligionforBreakfast has an interesting video on this topichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drA6PifnsFU
>>18407925Yes it's partially true but Hinduism is a combination of two pantheons.The Vedic gods are taken from the Indo-European traditions and are parallel to the Greek, Roman, Germanic, Slavic, etc Gods.The Puranic deities come from a separate culture living around the Ganges river in the 3rd Century CE.Also, like all Polytheism, there's a whole host of local and regional deities of all kinds of origin.
>>18408823Hinduism is simply the name for all the indigenous religious/philosophical traditions of India which are Dharmic, orthodox, accept the Vedas, accept caste, the notion of an eternal unchanging soul - as opposed to shramanas like Jains and Buddhists.It includes Shaivism, Shaktism, Vaishnavism and Smartism who all have different practices and beliefs and worship different Gods.But all types of Hindu share believe in the Vedas and the Puranas. The Vedas are indisputably Indo-European. Hinduism is a fusion of IE and other traditions.The Mahabharata and Bhagavad Gita, the most famous Hindu texts, are essentially Vedic texts - in effect Indo-European myths, that have some Puranic motifs also appearing too, since it was in the crossover between the two periods.That said you're right, truly Vedic deities like Indra - the Vedic counterpart to Zeus or Thor, or other IE thunder gods, is not very relevant amongst most modern Hindus.
>>18408685>>18408899Uralic paganism is a completely different lineage from Indo-European paganism.Uralic peoples have no connection to Hinduism nor to Vedic religion.
>>18408960I wasn't aware that Uralic paganism was an isolate. Do you have any resources I could read on this subject?
>>18408960>Uralic paganism is a completely different lineage from Indo-European paganism.Not trueThe Native Finnish God Ukko for example is an equivalent of Thor and ZeusThe native Hungarian God Isten may also be related as he is known to control lightning
>>18407925Long ago there were some ancient steppeniggers called the Proto-Indo-Europeans. They worshipped a classical-style pantheon with a thunder god, sex goddess, etc. As the steppeniggers mutted their way through Neolithic Eurasia, that ancient cult mutated into various local flavors, e.g. Norse, Greco-Roman, Slavic, etc. The ancient Indo-European religion also mutted with local neolithic cults. One of those flavors of Indo-European paganism was recorded in the Vedas, and it mutted its way across the Indian subcontinent. 3000 years later, we have Hinduism.In a sense, the guys in the Mahabharata really were Hindu, but they ate beef, sacrificed horses, and did all kinds of shit that modern jeets don't do.
>>18409020>Sex GoddessReally? iirc a sex goddess is not present in all the patheons, and where there are they cna be attributed to other influences. (Aphrodite was from the middle east, for example).Maybe I'm just wrong though, in that case I would be thankful if you corrected me.
>>18407925It's true to a degree but it merged with local religious traditions and underwent independent developments within India, it's not like an unchanged version of what Indo-Europeans were practicing 4000 years ago
>>18409041I dunno dude I was just giving examples of things that sound like ancient gods.Tiwaz corresponded to Zeus who corresponded to Jupiter. Thor corresponds also to Jupiter who also corresponded to Thor who corresponded to Indra. Indra's vajra is thor's hammer. We can reconstruct Proto-indo-european religion from its varieties in, for example, Greece, the Celtic world, and India. Hence *dyewos phter being a memeone of those varieties became hinduism
>>18409020Wrong. There's no difference between hindus from mahabharata and today's hindus
>>18409357There definitely is. But it's not your fault that India seemingly has absolutely no sense of history.
>>18409361>talks about history >Knows zero things about history
>>18409357But there's a massive difference between the Vedic Aryans and the browns who wrote the mahabharata.
>>18409616>Vedic Aryans and the browns who wrote the mahabharata.same people
>>184096271000 years later with heavy cultrual, religious and genetic mixing with the IVC.
How do opponents of the AIT (yes I know out of India isn't the only alternative) explain the Steppe DNA in modern high caste Indians?
>>18409627>same peoplehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndGuOtbKfOw
>>18409616Vedic Aryans were likely also brown though. Iirc they practiced cremation so it's not like we'll ever know for sure.>>18409662>IVCRetard>>18409691There is this thing called the Aryan Migration Theory which is basically what you are peddling but updated to the twentifirst century century with a better chronology, more evidence evidence, fewer ideological assumptions, etc. The only people nowadays who unironically say "Aryan Invasion Theory" are Indians trying to discredit AMT. And I guess also you.
>>18410686You only cling to AIT for psychological reasons anyway.
>>18410687So how do you explain the (almost exclusively paternally mediated) Steppe ancestory in modern Indians?
>>18410757Purple unicorns, of course. But in all seriousness Aryan Migration Theory. Aryan Invasion Theory explicitly posited an invasion of the Aryans brought about the collapse of the Indus Valley Civilization, we now know this did not happen. Among other things.
>>18407925Apotheosis was a common political move in Greece where important politicians, military leaders, or other figures, were deified and honored both during and after their lives.
>>18410875It's basically the Mandate of Heaven. I mean if they weren't legitimized by God, they wouldn't be leaders of a country right? Thus they must be legitimate, otherwise they wouldn't be leading a nation of people, what's that? circular logic? don't be ridiculous, off with that mans head!
Since the statue represents a real person is this idolatry or icon veneration?
