>We will take back the land that was stolen from us! Hell we will take even more land! We will defeat our ancestral enemies! We will kill these people whom were seen as the lowest of the low! When we win everybody get a plot of land and 10 Russian slave! Being German is great! Boomers be like: "This is the most masterful propaganda! It's devilishly brilliant!"
>>18407942It's exaggerated, but I guess that's what they really wanted if simplified.
>>18407942It's neccessary for liberals to pretend like Hitler was mystically charismatic, otherwise they'd have to admit that things really weren't all that great at Weimar.
>>18407946Weimar Germany wanted to take back the lost land too. They were allied with the Soviet Union.
When I look at this man's eyes I can feel hyperborea.
>>18407942>I'm going to visibly shake and wave my arms as I scream on stageHe was a genius orator, almost hypnotic powers!
NSDAP campaigned on fixing the economy, not to expand east.There has been endless studies on who and why voted on NSDAP.Most of the nazi shit came after they had established a dictatorship and controlled the media, education, social life etc.
>>18407954His speeches are kinda cringe if you watch thr ai translations. Im starting to believe its just a boomer myth that his speehes were hypnotic, something we're told to believe and repeat like bots.
>>18407942Hitler:>all europeans will be destroyed if we do not make europe into an ethnostate for european peopleJews:>this is literally genocideAmericans:>our white ethnostate will remain the only true israel and heir to the roman legacybut these days... you faggot jews try to promulgate an inversion of truth, saying as you do that hitler wanted to kill all white people, or whatever bullshit you assholes are told to disseminate by your idf handlers
>>18408142You cant escape that fact that Hitlers main beef was with other white people.This idea that Hitler was some sort of champion of the white race is a complete distortion. Hitler only cared about pan-Germanism. Europeans had been racially caregorizing non-Europeans for centuries and were still doing it in the early 20th century. British dominions had apartheid laws and it was perfectly normal. What made the nazies special was that they began racially categorizing other Europeans.
>>18408190>What made the nazies special was that they began racially categorizing other Europeans.Based Ellis Island migration waves! I'm sure the WASPs were delighted to receive them!
>>18407942I don't know how he could have believed he would conquer Russia. Even without France and Great Britain declaring war on him, Hitler would have been screwed
>>18408211Their intelligence assessment severely underestimated Soviet conscription ability. By all means Barbarossa accomplished its objectives of annihilating the masses of the Red Army, they simply incorrectly deduced that doing so would destroy the Red Army's destroy to continue fighting. By the time they reached Smolensk they started realizing something was wrong as they kept encountering Soviet resistance which should not have been able to exist (of course the Soviets were also unprepared since they never expected the Germans to make it that far)
>>18408190>Nazis invented anti-Russian racismNo they didn't
>>18408222I suppose that was largely because Hitler did not hide his genocidal intentions and also because Stalin did a good job of cementing the Soviet identity
>>18408190Stupid point. The English perception of the world only has to do with themselves and their colonial sphere. The German perception of the world has to do with themselves and their neighboring sphere. Of course different forms of racialism would emerge
>>18408245One of the interesting things about the Winter War, and that it is often missed, is that despite the Red Army shambolic performance, due the purges, Soviet units often fought to the bitter end. This should have triggered alarm bells. They also won the Winter War in the end, and Finland bluffed its way out at the edge of collapse.
>>18408142Aryan Uber Alles
>>18408190>>18408252In nazi school you would get taught the Gunther race phenotype Rassenkunde crap, where Slav and Germanic are just language groups. So it's very confusing
>>18408252>I project so that was because Mr. FUHRER Adolf Hitler did not hide his genocidal intentions and also because I'm a communist junkie homosexual jew.\4chan these days... but what can You expect from an amerimutt site ?Real reason: SLAVS AND ASIANS besides japanese ARE CATTLE - they do what they're told.Before the internet noone knew how many russians there are because they're unintelligent and cannot make a public catalog.
>>18408239To this extent yes they did.The concept of enslaving and colonizing other Europeans was completely foreign, but it was based on previous racism among Prussians towards Poles.
>>18408132>ai translationsit's better if you're not a monolingual retardalso you can't conceptualize that he was telling them exactly what they wanted to hear, and how tantalizing it is to deny reality with an authority figure
>>18408397What is your point exactly?
>>18408368Slavs are Human and White, Asians (Japanese included) are cattle. Also, cuckchan was always a shithole, worthless vaccinated nigger.
>>18408399that ur dumb and must kill urself :3
>>18408393No, it wasn'tGermans infiltrated the Romanov family and turned the Russian Empire into a German-supremacist vessel, treating the Russian peasantry as cattle for centuries.After the Soviets took power they murdered the German elites and began systematically killing ethnic Germans in Russia.Hitler didn't cause hatred between Slavs and Germans. He was a product of it
>>18408420>Hitler didn't cause hatred between Slavs and Germans. He was a product of itNo, it predates that. Hitler constantly kvetched about Habsburgs treating Slavs well in Mein Kampf. He didn't care all that much for the nobles of German descent in Russian Empire. He was also influenced by this guy, Rudolf Jung, who was pretty anti-slavic.
>>18408430Czechs and Germans didn't like each other either but that was more of a petty feud over influence within the Habsburg court. It's not really comparable to the German hatred for Russia
>>18408410Amerisharts are losing to China btw. Japan will be China's ally soon
>>18408393Germans and Slavs have literally always hated each other.Why is it England's business to decide what forms of racism are acceptable and what aren't? England can't even get along with the Irish who are 99% identical to them
>>18408393>The concept of enslaving and colonizing other Europeans was completely foreignFunny because Slavs accuse Germany of genociding and colonizing them for the past 1000 years.So which is it? Was Germany always genocidal/colonialist or did Hitler invent it?
>>18407946I don't what strawman world you've created for yourself but nobody with an ounce of knowledge about the subject thinks weimar germany was great.
>>18408449Nationalist myths. In practise, Germans and Slaves share DNA, like everyone in the Eurasia. From roughly the 10th to the 14th century, German speakers moved eastward into Slavic-held lands. Nationalists often frame this as a purely military conquest (the "Drang nach Osten"). Much of this was actually peaceful migration. Slavic kings and dukes frequently invited German farmers, miners, and merchants to settle in their lands to boost the economy and build cities. There were definitely bloody crusades (like the Northern Crusades by the Teutonic Knights), but for centuries, Germans and Slavs lived as neighbors and married each other in a complex patchwork of states. There was a significant population of Germans in the Volga. Hitler didn't invent German expansionism, but he radicalized it into something modern and industrial. There is no "clean" line where Germanic DNA ends and Slavic DNA begins. Centuries of intermarriage in regions like Silesia, Pomerania, and Prussia created a massive genetic overlap. The "purity" Hitler sought was a biological impossibility in a region that had been a melting pot since the Middle Ages.
>>18408458>Centuries of intermarriage in regions like Silesia, Pomerania, and Prussia created a massive genetic overlapIf that was true, it wouldn't have been necessary for the Poles to ethnically cleanse the Germans in these regions
>>18408458>There is no "clean" line where Germanic DNA ends and Slavic DNA begins>regions like Silesia, Pomerania, and Prussia created a massive genetic overlapLiterally all the Germans in these places were killed or deported after WW2. They're 100% Polish today. So yes it is a clean line.
>>18408449While many German intellectuals in the Interwar Period deplored the "Asiatic barbarity" of the Ottomans' methods during their ethnic conflict with Armenia and the Greeks, their successful institution of demographic engineering was considered an admirable proof of concept for some Germans. Many also drew parallels between this process, those instituted earlier by the Balkan States, and those of the settlers of North America. In the 1910s, it had been a longstanding dream of German nationalists to expand into eastern Europe and secure their borderlands there by Germanising or expelling the native inhabitants, particularly the Poles. Prussia, the precursor state to Germany, had first acquired large numbers of Polish citizens in the 1772 Russo-Austro-Prussian Partition of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. These numbers were bolstered by the Second and Third partitions, which totally removed Poland-Lithuania from the map of Europe by 1795.During WW1, OHL's (Oberste Heeresleitung, Army Supreme Command) plans for the east were just a tad megalomaniacal, and meshed well with those of Germany's ultranationalist parties. Large territories would be annexed and ethnically-cleansed to make room for German settlement in the short-medium term, and the northern Baltic states and Ukraine would be puppet states under German political and economic domination. The Baltic States were seen as an excellent place for further expansion in the medium-long term, given lower population-density in those areas, there being a definite sense that Germany should not bite off more than she could chew by trying to Germanise too many territories at once.
World War I and its aftermath radicalised European politics and fractured it along ethno-national lines. Ever since the 1878-9 Russo-Turkish War, the European powers had promoted religious-ethno-national dissent in the Ottoman Empire as a way of creating conflicts which required outside mediation. This was done to secure concessions from the Ottoman government, which agreed to trade terms and the establishment of government offices supervised and staffed by foreigners. These religious and ethnic conflicts instilled increasing paranoia and fear in the Ottoman Empire's Turkish minority as their Christian citizens rebelled against them, instituted religious and ethnic cleansing to create homogeneous nation-states, and sought to liberate and cleanse yet more territory from the Ottomans and one another. With their ultimate defeat in the Balkan Wars of 1912-13, the Ottomans lost virtually all of their European territory and the capital of Istanbul and the Turkish homelands themselves were under threat.In an age of religious and ethnic exclusivity, the pluralistic Ottoman Empire, it seemed, was doomed. But perhaps the Ottoman Empire was doomed to become a tiny rump-state for Turks. But if there were only some way to break the foreigners' strictures on the persecution of minorities, the Turks might yet take their collective destiny into their own hands and determine just how big 'Turkey' would be. After all, the Balkan States had already demonstrated the wisdom and widespread international acceptance of 'demographic engineering' which lead to the Armenian genocide. Germany was ambivalent about it, and reined them in when it came the turn for the Greeks. However, there was no denying the simple fact that the Ottoman Empire had accomplished in one year what Prussia had not in one hundred: solid claims over its borderlands. Which some groups in Germany found it "inspiring".
>>18408458You'd have a point if Hitler had come to power in the time of the German Empire instead of the post-WW1 borders of Germany, which had been drawn specifically to exclude any Poles from the German nation (perhaps we should thank Wilson for this).The German-Polish mutted areas all went to Poland in the interwar period, and then after WW2 anyone who was even vaguely German was deported into Germany
>>18408470>>18408473Nta, but the Germans that were cleansed were not 100% German. As the anon above said they shared most of their DNA with the rest of the people around them, in this case the Poles. This doesn't stop them from identifying as Germans(or Poles) nor does it stop them from being cleansed by the Poles even if they are genetically close. This has to do with politics and how these people presented themselves. The Jews that lived in Germany also had mostly German DNA but they differentiated themselves via religion, culture and mindset.Similarly, Hungarians have a lot of Slavic DNA but that doesn't stop them from having a separate identity.
>>18408470Genetics isn't just about where people live today; it’s about the "ghosts" in the DNA that remain from thousands of years of mixing. You are confusing citizenship/ethnicity with genetics. "German" and "Pole" or otherwise are not two biologically distinct species that were sorted into two different boxes. In reality, they are two closely related groups that were sorted by passport and culture, not by DNA.Genetic overlap isn't created by a few decades of intermarriage; it's the result of 1,500 years of proximity. The "Slavic" expansion in the 6th century and the "Germanic" expansion in the 12th century ensured that by 1900, a German from Breslau and a Pole from Poznań were often genetically indistinguishable.There was no "Berlin Wall" for DNA. People moved for work, married, and converted religions. By the time Hitler or Wilson arrived on the scene, the "genetic cake" had been baked for 800 years. Modern DNA testing shows "German" DNA deep into Russia and "Slavic" DNA deep into France.
>>18408503I didn't say Germany today is fully racially German. But Poland is close to being fully racially Polish. Because anyone who was vaguely German they ethnically cleansed.Silesia, Pomerania, and Prussia are dead civilizations which no longer exist
>>18408507This is just the same argument Marxists use for race as a whole. We're all Africans if you go back far enough etc.It's a naiive view that will never conform to reality. Different races have different souls. A Chinese soul is different from a Russian soul and a Russian soul is different from a German soul. Genetics don't tell us anything
>>18408397>He told them what he wanted to hear while also waving his arms and screaming about bloodTruly a Svengali mind control genius.
What mattered in practice especially in the 19th and 20th centuries was:LanguageCulturePolitical loyaltyAfter World War II, when borders shifted and millions were expelled, authorities didn’t use genetics. They used identity markers: language spoken at home, self-identification, and perceived political affiliation. In 1945, the Soviet-backed Polish government wasn't looking at haplogroups; they were looking at: Language: Language: Do you speak German at home?Identification: Do you consider yourself German?Affiliation: Were you tied to the Third Reich?In places like Upper Silesia and Masuria, many people were classified as “autochthons”. Some spoke Slavic dialects but identified as German; others had Polish roots but had been culturally German for generations. Governments tried to sort them into neat national categories, but reality was far messier.This is the key point:Genetic overlap was real, but it didn’t erase cultural identity. Nations aren't built on DNA they are built on language, history, and politics. You can absolutely have “Polish ancestry” and a “German identity” (or the reverse). That isn't unusual it is overwhelmingly typical for border regions shaped by centuries of mixing.
>>18408510But Poland isn't close to being fully Polish at least not in the areas Germans used to live in. Remember they still have a lot of German ancestors they just present themselves as Poles. This doesn't stop the same people in hating their former neighbors even if their DNA is mostly the same. Afterall the Germans in Germany instigated the war, made it about race and later got their brethren across the border cleansed by the fury of the enemies they antagonized needlessly.
>>18408526Almost no Poles today are of majority German descent. Some are distantly part German if that's what you mean. The Soviets banned most immigration between Eastern Bloc nations which prevented Poles and Germans from intermingling
>>18408525Note the category of "Autochthons" was created for people who lived in the Recovered Territories (Silesia, Masuria, etc.) whom the government wanted to "re-Polonize" rather than expel and saw them as "Lost Poles".
>>18408526You could equally claim some Israelis have Arab ancestry and some Arabs have Jewish ancestry, will that factor alone prevent antagonism between Jews and Arabs?
>>18408532This is also the reason why racially profiling people in Europe is retarded. All it takes is 2 or 3 generations and any "old" DNA gets "replaced" by the new. By that I mean the new gets more say on the function of the person than the old. Similarly the Germans that went to Germany "lost" their Polish side.>>18408539Yes that's the point any genocides are done purely out of politics and doesn't stop people from being factually the same. Germans making their war into a race war or having any say into race of Europeans is retarded. This was purely political and delved into culture and language not actual DNA.It's a bit different if someone is genuinely from another race like a Jew from Poland and a Jew from Lebanon but that doesn't stop either of them from having the same mentality or mindset even if it's a bit harder to create and maintain.
>>18408551>All it takes is 2 or 3 generations and any "old" DNA gets "replaced" by the new.True>This is also the reason why racially profiling people in Europe is retardedDoesn't follow. You could make the same argument that believing in race in general is retarded. The laws of race in Europe are exactly the same as the laws of race everywhere else in the world.>any genocides are done purely out of politics and doesn't stop people from being factually the sameGenocides only happen when groups are racially incompatible with one another
>>18408539Nta, history is full of examples where brothers kill brothers over different flags. Nationalist fights often involve arguments about states that didn't exist just 200 years ago. In 1824 people identified as Bavarian, Prussian, or Saxon, not "German" and Poland was partitioned between Russia, Prussia, and Austria. They often couldn't understand each other's dialects. Genetic overlap is massive, but nationalism requires a "pure" origin story to justify a border. Before the 1800s, Europe was a dialect continuum. If you started walking from Paris to Rome, or from Berlin to Warsaw, the language changed gradually every ten miles. Mountains, rivers, and political borders create sharper divides and languages like French vs. German were already quite distinct long before the 1800s. Still, you could always understand your neighbor, but you couldn't understand someone 300 miles away. In the 1800s, governments forced everyone to speak one "official" version of a language (like High German or Standard Polish), effectively killing off, suppressing, or reducing the prestige of the transitionary dialects that used to bridge the gaps between neighbors. Standard languages also naturally spread because they were useful (administration, trade, education). People often adopted them voluntarily for social mobility. Standardization helped turn loose regional identities into national ones. Nationalism forced people to pick a team or be crushed by both. Nationalism doesn’t really operate on genetics. It operates on language, culture, and political allegiance, and it often simplifies messy, mixed realities into clean, “pure” narratives to justify borders and states. Nations didn’t create people. It sorted out people into nations, often long after the fact.” Nations are not ancient, natural units, they’re historical constructions shaped heavily in the 19th century.
>>18408557When have Austrians, Saxons, and Prussians genocided one another?Rivalry between German states is not the same as that between German states and the eastern Russo-Polish world
>>18408557Note that "identity" predates nationalism. Before the 1800s, people had strong identities: religious, regional, dynastic, or linguistic. While they might not say “I’m German,” they might say “I’m a subject of X ruler,” or identify with a broader cultural-linguistic world. The idea of a shared “German” cultural space (language, literature, myths) existed before political unification, just not as a mass political identity.Religion, war, economic change, and state-building all played major roles. For instance, conflicts and rivalries often strengthened national feeling as much as schools and language policies did.
>>18408551It was not out of politics or just about culture or language. The Nazis believed Europe was inhabited by entirely different, unrelated biological races like nordid, mediterranid, east baltid, and alpinid that could be easily distinguished by measuring the skull and body and comparing colors of eyes and hair. This flies in the face of genetics but 2 Germans with different physical features were seen as belonging to completely different races. To the Nazis the superior race was obviously what was called the Nordic race, so tall and lanky people with a long skull, thin joints and generally blonde hair and blue eyes. Think of a stereotypical Scandinavian or Northern German. And the inferior race of Europe was the East Baltic race, shorter with stockier limbs and a more circular shaped head, which they saw as representing the typical Slav.Nazi writings are full of this stuff. They actually wanted to find and Germanize Slavs who they thought were of the "Nordic race" (looked more like a Scandinavian) because they believed they descended from Germanic blood or Nordic Slavs who were driven almost to extinction by mixing with Mongols. That's why in the Generalplan Ost documents they had a certain percentage of people in each country who were going to be capable of being Germanized. Those were determined by Nazi anthropologists who went around measuring people's heads and came up with estimates of how Nordic each Eastern European country was. So no, it would be a mistake to say it was purely political because they really believed in it and had entire theories and bureaus of the German state dedicated to this pseudoscientific discipline.
>>18407942>>18408569God > Race > Tribe > FamilyRaces created nations, and nationality is fake and gayGod is also the cause of Race, that is how it was understood until relatively modern times.
>>18408556It follows for the people of the same race especially for the ones that lived near each other. People of the same race have a much lower chance of having random debilitating defects and diseases unlike people who are mutts plus the difference in race gets negated after several generations have passed not 2/3.>>18408573But it did start out of politics even if they made a government apparatus to enforce it. No actual scientist, that has any proper understanding of genetics, would ever assume that the Germans and Poles that lived next to each other for centuries were somehow a different race. Or if they did they were so blinded by said politics it made them retarded. As if the length of the skull would indicate that the person was somehow more or less smart. The most important thing is the mentality of the people in a country and the internal politcal/cultural state. It's the reason why some states in Europe seem like shitholes and other do not. It's hard to put a blame on someone for the state of their country if the mental (of the people) is depressive. You could argue this is because of race but that doesn't really track if they move to another country and their kids don't have this issue.
