>Daaad, mom says Jesus couldn't be both God and his son, she says that doesn't follow first order logick!Well, wat respond?
correction, for both mom and the daughter who heard this blasphemy
I would calmly sit her down and explain that God is one essence (ousia) existing as three persons (hypostases). Thus the Son, which has the same essence, is fully God but distinct in person from the Father.Then I would pull a bible off the shelf and open it to 1 Timothy chapter 2, verse 11 and read aloud to her:>Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing, provided they continue in faith and love and holiness, with modestyAnd gently remind her that when her mother speaks to her about religious matters instead of remaining silent as the Good Book commands she is committing an affront to God, and she should receive her religious instruction from Me alone.
Jesus is the Son of the Father, not Himself
>>18408565Jesus is God the Son (Logos) incarnate. The son is always begotten from the father. Think of the father like a star and the Son it’s light/rays. The light is the generated essence of the star from its being. God is the eternal source, the son is his source outpouring, the Holy Spirit is the ontological goodness and love between the relation of Father and the Son. All 3 exist eternally, all 3 are distinct persons yet one God.
>>18408644I feel like this kind of theology needlessly complicates things. Why can't Jesus just have been created by god the father in the same manner that God created man?
>>18408644Jesus is not the Logos and by definition cannot be the Logos as he was a man of flesh and blood and he was not divine like his followers claim. The Logos is a Hellenic philosophical concept which predates Christianity and Greco-Roman philosophers identified the Logos with Zeus, the king of the gods.While traditional myths do depict Zeus as anthropomorphic, myths are allegories for divine truths not literal historical events. Zeus is not literally a bearded man but an abstract metaphysical spirit, the depiction of him as a bearded man is a representation of him that symbolizes his nature, not a literal depiction of what he actually looks like.
Why would you expect God to be logical? He invented logic.
>>18408680He didn’t, Yahweh is not the creator of the universe nor is he the absolute principle of reality. At best he is a minor spirit who is also narcissistic as evidenced by his commands such as “thou shalt have no other gods before me.”
>>18408657Because God also is the son, not merely the father creating the son, at the same time, while the son also is fully divine and fully human. It's supposed to be a mystery, not something plebs discuss on their shitpost site.
>>18408677>Greco-Roman philosophers identified the Logos with ZeusThe Stoics also and supposedly primarily identified the Logos with Hermes.https://topostext.org/work/849>And ‘Hermes’ happens to be reason (logos), the pre-eminent possession of the gods, which they sent to us from heaven, making man alone of the terrestrial animals rational.And Hermes was also the patron God of shepherds, so that there are many ancient depictions of him with a lamb around his shoulders like picrel.The more you know, the more likely it seems (imo) that Jesus' persona was formed in part by absorbing many of the greek gods into one figure.
>>18408705>Because God also is the son, not merely the father creating the son, at the same time, while the son also is fully divine and fully human.again this is needlessly overcomplicating things for the sake of intentionally making it incomprehensible so you can call it a "mystery"Just having something make no sense does not automatically make it spiritual and therefore good.
Listen you little bitch, God is beyond logic altogether! God can make a stone that is too heavy for Himself to lift, and then He can lift it anyway. And He will drop it on your head if you don't shut up!
maybe god has a dna scanner sequencer.who knows? ask mom if she knows better than god.
>>18408565Your god had his own sons to contend with. Job 38:4. "When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy." Referring to Job 38:4 when he laid the foundation of earth.Why would god want a boy toy when he has his hands full when half his sons come down to earth to take wives? You wanna know what comes next. We get cancelled. Read the Enuma Elish.
>>18408565I'm killing your mother and you for being women
>>18408565Yes. Your mom's right. The cult's mythology doesn't make sense for many reasons that imposed onto the understanding of the texts.Univocality is super damaging to being able to understand what any of the authors are trying to write about. Additionally, all the later additions to the understanding of the texts, from the equivalent of political voting, has shattered any ability to harmonize an actual understanding of the cult's beliefs.Which is why they have to so commonly say that it's a divine mystery, when pressed on their beliefs. None of it actually makes sense, and they were told that they'll go to Hell for heresy, if they believe any of the actual solutions that could harmonize things.
>>18408581>t. will die alone
>>18408581Death to Yaldabaoth and his worshippers
>>18408581That's not an authentic Pauline epistle.
>>18409381It is according to the Church.
>>18409399Then they are lying to themselves, every single intellectualy honest priest knows it's not.
>>18408581So if the situation was reversed and the dad was an atheist/agnostic while the mother was Christian?
>>18409250everyone dies alone
>>18408565son of dog is dog son of snake is snake son of God is God that's the bit. Om nom
>>18408581>she should receive her religious instruction from Me aloneInteresting that you capitalized me as one would when speaking of Him.
>>18410181The 9/11 hijackers didn'thttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt_tv7t79WY
>>18408565What she doing behind that couch
>>18410230I think you missed my point, even if you are surrounded by a thousand loved ones when you die you still die alone.
>>18410252I understand the point you are trying to make, and I think you are wrong.Thelma & Louise didn't die alone.
>>18410257death is entirely a personal experience no matter its circumstances. That you yourself will cease to exist is of far more significance to me than whether there was someone else present to comfort me at the final moment, when most likely I will be in a delirium anyway.
>>18410264My understanding of the good thief and the bad thief, or the penitent thief, impenitent thief. The point of that parable is that the good thief doesn't die alone, he is saved through Christ in those final moments.
>>18410277I don't think salvation through christ is a real thing.
>>18408565Daddies girls follow their father's guidance, by and large.
>>18408565>>18408579though shalt plap until impregnation (ToT)
>>18411935Wtf is wrong with you?
>>18408581>God is one essence (ousia) existing as three persons (hypostases).Not a single verse in the Bible says that
>>18411948and yet entire wars were fought to enforce it
